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#1 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 12:48:21
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A friend of mine and a teammate /gb/ManagerProfile.asp?IDM=730370 was 11th in Amateur 20, but 400k in the red, prior to receiving his 1.8mil points money at the season reset. He should have been 1.4 mil in the green after receiving his points money at season reset.
However, he was relegated into rookie, why?????
Does the end of season "points/top10/not missing a race" money not come into count until after the season reset??
If thats the case this should be made very very clear to players, as its very demotivating to have a lvl 7 car taken away like that (all your hard work) on a unclear thing like that and can't be good for player retention imo.
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#2 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 12:50:54
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#3 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 12:52:01
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• After the last race top 10 position money is awarded • Promotion / Relegation Script • Selling of parts / facilities to get back in positives • End of Season points bonus money • Team points money • The accounts for all managers in Rookie will be reset. • Bonus for taking part in all races
This is clearly stated in the FAQ, I don't see a major problem with how it is.
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#4 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 12:53:04
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Quote ( Atli Thor Johannesson @ March 6th 2016,12:48:21 ) If thats the case this should be made very very clear to players, as its very demotivating to have a lvl 7 car taken away like that (all your hard work) on a unclear thing like that and can't be good for player retention imo.
You mean like it already is in the wiki ...........
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#5 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 12:58:08
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Quote ( Atli Thor Johannesson @ March 6th 2016,12:48:21 ) However, he was relegated into rookie, why?????
Because only final standings money is awarded before the reset. If you're not in the top ten of your particular group, you don't get any money (beyond the final race income) awarded until after the reset has taken place.
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#6 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 12:58:11
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He was struggling for a few seasons to make money in ammy so probably starting again to focus on different things isn't so bad.... to be honest.
Maybe don't spend money on a lvl 7 car & look at more sustainable ways to be competitive
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#7 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:00:32
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#8 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:03:55
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Quote ( Phil Maunder @ March 6th 2016,12:58:11 ) He was struggling for a few seasons to make money in ammy so probably starting again to focus on different things isn't so bad.... to be honest.
Maybe don't spend money on a lvl 7 car & look at more sustainable ways to be competitive
Definitely this. Northern Rock could make money in amateur.
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#9 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:08:01
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The real issue here is that celebrities like the Ridleys should never be allowed to relegate despite how inferior they are to the rest of mankind.
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Definitely not very clear and extremely demotivating to have to start again. Its easy to maintain a lvl 7 car in amateur, but he screwed up a few times last season. However, he obviously thought he was safe.
(Mod-edit: Watch your language, please. No F-bombs allowed. Thank you!)
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#11 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:11:11
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Thinking leads to complacency. Best not to think.
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I don't know how much clearer it could be.
What do you think would of made it any clearer than listing in order the process......
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#13 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:16:35
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Quote ( Atli Thor Johannesson @ March 6th 2016,13:08:21 ) Definitely not very clear and extremely demotivating to have to start again. Its easy to maintain a lvl 7 car in amateur, but he screwed up a few times last season. However, he obviously thought he was safe. I would never considering ending the season so close to $0 safe.
And yes it's possible to maintain a level 7 car, but if it's easy to promote on level 5/6 parts and very easy to score retention points on level 4 parts, why overspend?
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#14 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:18:06
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Quote ( Alex Nikodem-Wing @ March 6th 2016,12:52:01 ) This is clearly stated in the FAQ, Quote ( Peter Willmore @ March 6th 2016,12:53:04 ) You mean like it already is in the wik
These kind of things always remind me of the bit in Hitchhikers Guide,
“But the rules were on display…” “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.” “That’s the display department.” “With a flashlight.” “Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.” “So had the stairs.” “But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?” “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”
This stuff really should be in the main rules, shouldn't it?
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#15 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:20:21
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You mean like 7.1 onwards of the rules ....
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#16 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:20:48
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The good old Vogon Superhighway.
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#17 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:25:07
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Quote ( Peter Willmore @ March 6th 2016,13:20:21 ) You mean like 7.1 onwards of the rules .... If the rules are so clear, why are you referring him to the FAQ and wiki?
Personally, I don't think the rules are clear enough on this, and could be improved.
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#18 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:27:27
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Quote ( Daryl Gee @ March 6th 2016,13:25:07 ) Quote ( Peter Willmore @ March 6th 2016,13:20:21 )
You mean like 7.1 onwards of the rules .... If the rules are so clear, why are you referring him to the FAQ and wiki?
Personally, I don't think the rules are clear enough on this, and could be improved.
I think the list in the FAQ is much clearer than in the rules, and it couldn't hurt to copy and past it into the official game rules.
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#19 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:27:59
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Quote ( Daryl Gee @ March 6th 2016,13:25:07 ) If the rules are so clear, why are you referring him to the FAQ and wiki?
Personally, I don't think the rules are clear enough on this, and could be improved.
I have to agree, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to not get the money you won immediately anyway, so it would make perfect sense to assume you were getting your winnings first.
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Because it's the first place I looked , then when you lot whined. I had a look in the rules and bam its clear as day there too. Some people are never happy and can't accept they made an error. Frankly If he was relying on that money to get him out of negative he is probably in the right place back in rookie
To keri whether it makes sense or not the rules are cut and dry imo and that was the complaint to say you agree with the rules being unclear is just laughable really
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#21 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:34:35
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Are you having a bad week Peter?
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#22 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:37:37
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nope just don't like letting bs slide people should take responsibility for there own mistakes rather than blaming this or that. Just happens I disagree with you on a subject 2 days in a row. Although perhaps you can point me to how it's unclear
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#23 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:40:42
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Are you my girlfriend playing under a different name?
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#24 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 13:54:25
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Quote ( Atli Thor Johannesson @ March 6th 2016,13:08:21 ) Definitely not very clear and extremely demotivating to have to start again. Its easy to maintain a lvl 7 car in amateur, but he screwed up a few times last season. However, he obviously thought he was safe.
(Mod-edit: Watch your language, please. No F-bombs allowed. Thank you!)
I'm surprised someone in a team ended up in that situation tbh
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Quote ( Keri Lovell @ March 6th 2016,13:40:42 ) Are you my girlfriend playing under a different name?
lol no :p
However you are avoiding the subject like a pro , are you a politician ?
You say you agree with something but can't provide any substance to that
for example the highlights which prove its obvious is below with the full rules around the end of the season below :)
7. End of Season
After the last race of the season the top 10 bonus is being rewarded to the top 10 managers in every group At some point following this, the end of season script will be run, which will perform the following tasks. 7.1 Promotion/Relegation Any manager who finishes with a negative balance shall be relegated to the division below
7.2 Other Matters Points money and team money earned in the previous season will be paid to all managers. All managers who qualified for all 17 races in the previous season will get a bonus of $5.000.000 (including managers in Rookie).
7. End of Season
****After the last race of the season the top 10 bonus is being rewarded to the top 10 managers in every group (look at point 5.4 above)******** after which we enter a small break, usually a couple of days, but sometimes maybe more or less. During this time, all race setup pages close and no further team decisions can be made, however you can still view the standings, car level and financial data. At some point following this, the end of season script will be run, which will perform the following tasks. 7.1 Promotion/Relegation
The top 3 managers in each group (excluding Elite) will be promoted to a randomly assigned group, one level above the level they are currently at. The bottom 15 managers from each group (excluding Rookie) will be relegated to the level below. Any manager, who finishes in the top 3, but with a negative balance, will not be promoted, and instead the next highest manager with a positive balance will be promoted in his/her place.********** Any manager who finishes with a negative balance shall be relegated to the division below**********. The highest placed manager in the relegation zone will remain in their group as a result.
Note that in case when the groups structure of the game is under ongoing expansion or reduction, a different number of managers may be promoted or relegated in the different classes of the game. 7.2 Other matters When the End of Season script runs, the wear on all parts is reset to zero, and all your parts remain at the level they were the previous season (except in the Rookie groups). Any manager with a negative balance will automatically sell their parts and facilities at half price, starting with the highest levels, until they reach a positive balance. In case the manager's balance is still negative after this, then the manager will get a donation from GPRO FIA which will cover his remaining debt and he/she will start the new season with $0. In the next step managers will get taxed according to point 7.3 below.
For managers in the Rookie groups money balance, car parts, staff and facilities, sponsors negotiations, car character points etc. will be reset at the start of every season. The only thing that rookie managers get to keep between the seasons is the driver if his overall does not exceed 85.
*************Points money and team money earned in the previous season will be paid to all managers.***********
The accounts for all managers in Rookie will be reset.
*****All managers who qualified for all 17 races in the previous season will get a bonus of $5.000.000 (including managers in Rookie).*******
Every manager who scored more than 50 points during the season and starts in Rookie by either finishing the season in negative in Rookie, having a Rookie Reset or relegating to Rookie outside of the relegation spots will start the next season with a financial penalty worth $200.000 for every point he scored above 50 points in the previous season. The amount will be deducted from the starting balance for the new season (after the season reset).
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#26 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 16:17:18
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Thanks for starting up the tread for me Mate And im still confused: Problem -400K, pointsmoney 1.9 mio= 1.5 mio + = why did I get relegated, when the rules says that points money will be paided out, and they haven´t??
Quote ( Atli Thor Johannesson @ March 6th 2016,12:48:21 ) A friend of mine and a teammate /gb/ManagerProfile.asp?IDM=730370 was 11th in Amateur 20, but 400k in the red, prior to receiving his 1.8mil points money at the season reset. He should have been 1.4 mil in the green after receiving his points money at season reset.
However, he was relegated into rookie, why?????
Does the end of season "points/top10/not missing a race" money not come into count until after the season reset??
If thats the case this should be made very very clear to players, as its very demotivating to have a lvl 7 car taken away like that (all your hard work) on a unclear thing like that and can't be good for player retention imo.
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TO repeat others - the points money does NOT get paid out until AFTER the game checks if you are negative (ie at End of Season). So at the point where it checks and then relegated you due to negative balance, you WERE negative (-400k).
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Quote ( Chris Englund @ March 6th 2016,16:17:18 ) Thanks for starting up the tread for me Mate And im still confused: Problem -400K, pointsmoney 1.9 mio= 1.5 mio + = why did I get relegated, when the rules says that points money will be paided out, and they haven´t??
Q) at what point do the rules say the points money will be paid out....
A ) after the promotion/relegation script is run
hence you got relegated
simples
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#29 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 16:24:30
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It seems like a lot dont bother reading the rules.
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#30 geplaatst Maa 6 2016, 16:28:19
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To all!!
Thanks for spelling it out for me. Much appreiciated ;-)
I´ll bow my head and take my penalty.
Enjoy this awesome game and your sunday :-)
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