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Onderwerp: Balance Sports psychologist vs Spa |
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#1 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 11:36:52
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I'd like to suggest (while staying away from the full DE discussion) to balance Spa training and Sports psychologist in regard to the motivation gain.
Below I am *only* comparing Spa vs Sports psychologist in regards to Mot, since Sports psychologist is purely focussed on Mot. For the sake of the argument I am assuming these are the only two available training options. So let's not discuss if you should use either at all.
Spa: 300k -> you gain a certain amount of Energy and a certain amount of Mot.
Sports Psycho 400k -> you gain a certain amount of Mot.
In many situations Spa will be much more powerfull than Sports Psycho:
*In any situation where you are pushing hard CT-wise, you need Spa to regain DE. The mot comes as a bonus.
-- If you are doing well, you'll be high on mot already, the gains of DE with regard to mot will be less. But you don't really have a choice, since you need DE for CT.
-- If you are not doing well, your mot will be lowish in many cases(e.g. fighting for retention). The mot gain from the cheaper Spa is likely better than from Sports psychologist.
*In a situation where you are not pushing (e.g. just enough to CT to regain 100% DE before the next race) but do want to build Mot:
-- Spa will not be required for DE, but if you are low on Mot, it will still be the best choice (and cheaper).
*If you do not require Spa for DE (for whatever reason) but do want to keep building Mot, Sports psychologist is the favourable option. But only in this scenario. How likely is this?
So, I guess Sports psychologist is very much underpowerd compared to Spa.
My suggestion is to increase the gains of Sports psychologist (double it).
Decreasing the cost (say 50%) to balance it against Spa is just marginal and won't impact the choice really (my guess). 100k/200k more or less won't make a big difference.
What say you?
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#2 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 11:43:07 (laatst aangepast Jan 9 2017, 11:44:54 door Ivan Silva)
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It was about time someone suggested this. Psycology training is useless this days, people just train Spa instead. Similar gains, cheaper and gives energy.
Spa should just seize to exist, but then everyone would be on even lower CT's and save much more money and the game cant have that.
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#3 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 11:58:07
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Quote ( Ivan Silva @ January 9th 2017,11:43:07 ) Spa should just seize to exist, but then everyone would be on even lower CT's and save much more money and the game cant have that. So what are you suggesting ?
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#4 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 12:09:56
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Sports psychologist could cease to exist now though. A loss of motivation is a direct consequence of crap performance. I think the moti gains from spa/SP are enough. But I also do think spa has made SP a bit pointless really.
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#5 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 12:20:01
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IMO, Spa should stay but maybe a small price increase, say $50k or $100k, & the motivation gain should be slightly less, say 1/3rd less
(not giving away exact figures, but you see the picture)
I agree with Sports Psychology also being slightly reduced in cost, maybe $50k to be either the same as Spa or $50k cheaper, depending upon the above chosen Spa price increase.
The motivation gain should remain the same though.
I believe this should create a fairer balance between the 2 training sessions.
As for the OP, I admit early this season I did exactly what was suggested, using Spa as a Cheap alternative for motivation gain, & the energy increase to PUSH a little harder was a Bonus :)
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#6 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 12:24:29 (laatst aangepast Jan 9 2017, 12:24:54 door Mark Philips)
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ January 9th 2017,12:09:56 ) Sports psychologist could cease to exist now though.
Agree, and I wouldn't make any more changes to Spa or DE
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#7 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 12:30:04 (laatst aangepast Jan 9 2017, 12:32:02 door Josh Clark)
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Hmm...
They're now essentially the same thing. A quick, cheap, 1-time speed boost. Changing either's value wouldn't work, as it would just result in one being used more. You can't make SP better than spa, as that's a slightly more permanent speed boost and motivation should be difficult to acquire. Conversely, spa as it is now is making SP redundant.
Eradicating spa or SP would be solutions, but seems counter-productive.
So, how about adding an effect to SP?
Keep the motivation increase the same, but add the benefit of locking the driver's motivation for that race? So if you had 0 and got +30 from SP, no matter where you came in the next race, you would end with 30 motivation.
I suppose that would be open to abuse, however I think abusing it would be a good addition. Training your driver in nothing but motivation for 6-8 races just to get 250 motivation doesn't seem worth it in most situations, but in favourable situations it also doesn't seem too overpowered. but I could see it being useful for some. And in some cases more useful than Spa. Which would be the point of changing them - to make them both viable options.
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#8 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 12:56:07 (laatst aangepast Jan 9 2017, 12:56:22 door Ivan Silva)
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Quote ( Mark Philips @ January 9th 2017,11:58:07 ) So what are you suggesting ?
Suggesting you read what I wrote
Quote ( Mark Philips @ January 9th 2017,11:58:07 ) Spa should just seize to exist
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#9 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 12:59:55
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Here any idea GET RID OF D.E ! and go back to the good old days of GPRO ;)
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#10 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 13:04:00
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My somewhat limited experience of comparing spa vs sports psych training seems to show that SP gives much more motivation gain than spa, so it seems to me that SP still is the go to training if the only thing you are after is motivation increase.
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#11 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 13:38:12
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Off topic: I really want your name. When pronounced (at least in my accent) it sounds like "All Charisma" ... no intro needed. :D
I like the idea a lot.
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#12 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 13:45:58
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A sports psychologist makes you motivated but also focused. I would add +1 of concentration to that training session. Also would decrease some of the spa motivation to balance if needed to.
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#13 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 13:47:56
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- I thing it's more Realistic the SPA training give and +1 STAMINA.!!!
- Happy New Year to all,
... from Beautiful Sithonia/Chalkidiki/Grece.!!!
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#14 geplaatst Jan 9 2017, 16:26:11
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Since the begining of season 55 and driver energy, sport psychologist training is obsolete.
Quote ( Ioannis Kalogirou @ January 9th 2017,13:47:56 ) - I thing it's more Realistic the SPA training give and +1 STAMINA.!!!
I would love that but, I don't think it's possible.
In that case, price of Spa training should go way up and +1 stamina would collide with fitness, even few other things ;)
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#15 geplaatst Jun 4 2019, 02:07:54
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Hi Admins!
Is there any progress on changing Sports Psychologist or replacing it with another training option?
It's been redundant for a long time now.
Interestingly has there ever been any stats released as to which training options get used every race?
My guesses other than Fitness, Spa and Ninja virtually none of the rest are used?
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#16 geplaatst Jun 4 2019, 10:30:00
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Don't forget Yoga training for developing young drivers.
But yeah after that mostly fitness.
In the upper leagues, Spa and Ninja for sure, with the odd fitness thrown in.
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#17 geplaatst Jun 4 2019, 10:57:09
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The TeI one is also handy in situations where you've cut it too close for a contract extension. Keep that too ;)
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#18 geplaatst Jun 4 2019, 11:00:55
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ June 4th 2019,10:57:09 ) The TeI one is also handy in situations where you've cut it too close for a contract extension. Keep that too ;)
Only when the driver is over the age of 24 years I might add. But yeah. Useful in that situation Miel.
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#19 geplaatst Jun 4 2019, 11:21:36
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I actually wouldn't mind keeping Sports Psych either. It can give better moti gain compared to Spa, and is cheaper. As such, it may still benefit some people (on a freshly signed driver for instance)
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#20 geplaatst Jun 4 2019, 12:07:01
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I really don't see the need to change anything TBH.
Just because some think some are obsolete, doesn't mean they should dissappear.
It is a matter of choice.
For example of the 9 tyre suppliers, I have used 5.
That doesn't make the other 4 obsolete, does it ?
The less options, the less choices, which makes things easier to chose from. This would therefore in a round about way make the game easier, which I don't think any of us want.
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#21 geplaatst Jun 5 2019, 13:22:12
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ June 4th 2019,11:21:36 ) I actually wouldn't mind keeping Sports Psych either. It can give better moti gain compared to Spa, and is cheaper. As such, it may still benefit some people (on a freshly signed driver for instance)
I agree. The psych gives just more motivation and no energy boost.
Redundant.
Either make the motivation boost bigger or maybe add some Concentration maybe?
Make it a viable option.
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#22 geplaatst Jun 5 2019, 13:38:00
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Quote ( Troy Sheahen @ June 5th 2019,13:22:12 ) Redundant.
It isnt really redundant if your driver doesn't need energy gain, is it?
Or would you rather spent 100k more on Spa for - likely - a lower moti gain?
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#23 geplaatst Jun 5 2019, 14:16:30
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Very simple keep it as price wise
But add 25% energy recovery ability of spa to sp
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#24 geplaatst Jun 5 2019, 18:43:07
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Here are some training stats:
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147993 | All trainings | 100% | 90009 | Fitness class | 60.8% | 18814 | Yoga | 12.7% | 16119 | Spa resort | 10.9% | 10002 | Ninja classes | 6.7% | 7245 | Sports psychologist | 4.9% | 4916 | Tech training | 3.3% | 888 | PR training | 0.6% |
Indeed we could balance some trainings to make them a bit more viable. Maybe it can happen already for next season.
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#25 geplaatst Jun 5 2019, 18:58:12
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The manager who carries out the 100,000th fitness training gets mailed a free bag of protein powder.
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#26 geplaatst Jun 5 2019, 19:01:15
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Quote ( Max Watson @ June 5th 2019,18:58:12 ) The manager who carries out the 100,000th fitness training gets mailed a free bag of protein powder.
what flavour?
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#27 geplaatst Jun 5 2019, 19:02:39
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Quote ( James Hitchen @ June 5th 2019,19:01:15 ) what flavour?
Disappointment.
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#28 geplaatst Jun 5 2019, 19:04:30
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Quote ( Max Watson @ June 5th 2019,19:02:39 ) Disappointment.
I wasn't aware you had your own flavour of protein powder
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#29 geplaatst Jun 5 2019, 19:18:16
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I think Spa shouldn't give you any moti boost. It's the training of choice to regain your energy. Period.
Incidentally Sport Psychologist has its use again and the Spa is overpowered fraction is also satisfied.
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Serious suggestion: rather than trying to boost the other training methods maybe nerf the fitness training a little? Maybe have a small driver energy loss after fitness training, maybe the heavier the driver the more energy is lost?
Try telling me if an 80KG 36 year old goes to the gym hes gonna lose some energy, while a 56KG 27 year old would probably still lose some energy but not as much. Its both realistic and will make people consider mixing up their training a bit more by being forced into including some Spa, could also add this for ninja, but maybe not as extreme.
I'd rather the less popular methods were made more effective but I don't think we should ignore looking at it from the other side as well. :)
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