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#1 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 00:18:35 (laatst aangepast Feb 6 2021, 14:05:11 door Mick Ridley)
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From the last race, where Q1 and thus practice was wet.
*gone*
Lap 6 is my perfect setup for a wet track, it's raining and using rain tires.
Lap 7 is my perfect setup for a dry track, but it's raining and I'm using rain tires.
Lap 8 is my perfect setup for a dry track, but it's raining and I'm using soft tires.
The difference between Lap 7 and 8 makes sense, no problem there.
But the 9.5s difference between Lap 6 and 7 seems completely out of whack.
During the race I gambled and ran a wet setup and was clearly quicker than those on a dry setup, but was around 1.2s a lap quicker, not 9.5s quicker. Likewise in the dry I was about 1.2s a lap slower than those on a dry setup.
Bug?
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#2 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 00:20:27
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did you pit lap 7?
That has all the hallmarks of a lap 7 stop
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#3 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 00:21:40
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Pitting in a P lap, Kyle? You’ve lost it :)
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#4 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 00:21:43
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These are practice laps from the last race.
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#5 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 00:30:48
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look, i'm not the sharpest person :P
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#6 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 00:35:47
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#7 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 00:38:11
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I don't understand with who you are comparing to. I mean, you were 1,2s quicker than who?
Anyway, in these long circuits you can see a lot of time difference changing not too much the car setup. If you race on the same track condition with different setups, you should wait for a time difference. I don't think it's a bug.
And I bet for wet setup too, I'm disappointed :)
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#8 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 00:39:46
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I think to put it in a way, there are many other factors which can potentially make a 9.5s gap not as big as it looks in the actual race...
Amount of risk used in the race, being blocked by other people in the race might contribute to the loss in advantage which you might have seen in the practice time. Other factors like difference in temperature from qualifying to the actual race might also affect the actual speed in the race? I'm just listing potential possibilities here. :)
And of course, there is also the question about what your opponents setup for the race. You can't be absolutely sure they used a full dry setup, it could even be a mixed setup that they could have used. And there is also the base speed which comes from your own driver and car speed in the rain which could affect the speed you see in the race? It's difficult to compare to others unless you have someone else in the group with exact same car levels and same driver attribute as you. Just some thoughts to think about.
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#9 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 00:40:15
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They look fine to me.
You have way less wing in PL-7 (practice laps Kyle :) along with more engine.
Think about it and you'll see nothing is wrong here.
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#10 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 00:44:32
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This is a grandmothers to machine guns comparison
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#11 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 01:44:47
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Quote ( Chew Kai Wen @ February 6th 2021,00:39:46 ) I think to put it in a way, there are many other factors which can potentially make a 9.5s gap not as big as it looks in the actual race...
Amount of risk used in the race, being blocked by other people in the race might contribute to the loss in advantage which you might have seen in the practice time. Other factors like difference in temperature from qualifying to the actual race might also affect the actual speed in the race? I'm just listing potential possibilities here. :)
And of course, there is also the question about what your opponents setup for the race. You can't be absolutely sure they used a full dry setup, it could even be a mixed setup that they could have used. And there is also the base speed which comes from your own driver and car speed in the rain which could affect the speed you see in the race? It's difficult to compare to others unless you have someone else in the group with exact same car levels and same driver attribute as you. Just some thoughts to think about.
the data shown is for Practice Laps so all race speculation and competitor setup is useless.
Ken has an adequate explanation.
Not only are some parts different on a Wet/Dry Setup, you are also facing that most surely your driver will be unhappy with a Dry setup in the Rain
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#12 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 02:20:15
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PL 7 is having very wrong setup(dry setup) compared to PL 6 setup which is wet setup so the difference is there .
In PL-8 you have again used wrong setup (dry setup) with dry tyres which is again contributing to time loss
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9.5s seems wayyyyy more than what I measured in reality, so there's probably a bug or... some other logical explanation that explains a difference between practice times and race average times ?
Is that possible that difference between different setups is magnified in a practice lap compared to the actual race ? Maybe because the driver complains and if he feels the car is really undrivable in a FP session, he just stops his effort and goes back to the pitlane with his feedback ?
Because I ran a dry setup the whole race, I clearly didn't lose 10s a lap and I've never lost 10s a lap just using a dry setup on a wet track^^
The difference between wets and slicks seems realistic to me.
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Quote ( Mandar Kale @ February 6th 2021,02:20:15 ) PL 7 is having very wrong setup(dry setup) compared to PL 6 setup which is wet setup so the difference is there .
In PL-8 you have again used wrong setup (dry setup) with dry tyres which is again contributing to time loss
Again this is not the question. The question is about the amplitude of that observation. And why is it so much amplified with a setup that is completely off, but very realistic with the wrong tyres. We all know that running a dry setup with a wet start clearly doesn't make one lose as much time as starting with slicks
So this is why I wrote my theory above
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#15 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 05:32:38
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Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ February 6th 2021,00:44:32 ) This is a grandmothers to machine guns comparison
This was aggressive and will be fitted into my daily vocabulary immediately
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#16 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 06:04:36
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Car set for dry track does not ride in the rain.
Car set for wet track rides reasonably well on dry track.
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#17 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 08:36:34
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Quote ( Athol Kay @ February 6th 2021,00:18:35 ) Bug?
Nope, but this one did throw us off from making the dry start call.
Wet and Dry setup time difference was very high in not only practice but also in the race.
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#18 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 08:54:19 (laatst aangepast Feb 6 2021, 14:05:44 door Mick Ridley)
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Quote ( Athol Kay @ February 6th 2021,00:18:35 )
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From the last race, where Q1 and thus practice was wet.
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Lap 6 is my perfect setup for a wet track, it's raining and using rain tires.
Lap 7 is my perfect setup for a dry track, but it's raining and I'm using rain tires.
Lap 8 is my perfect setup for a dry track, but it's raining and I'm using soft tires.
The difference between Lap 7 and 8 makes sense, no problem there.
But the 9.5s difference between Lap 6 and 7 seems completely out of whack.
During the race I gambled and ran a wet setup and was clearly quicker than those on a dry setup, but was around 1.2s a lap quicker, not 9.5s quicker. Likewise in the dry I was about 1.2s a lap slower than those on a dry setup.
Bug?
Crikey i did beter qualifying qith a technical problem
but seriously idk about this
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#19 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 09:34:01
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Quote ( Bradley Preen @ February 6th 2021,08:54:19 ) Crikey i did beter qualifying qith a technical problem
You can't get technical problems in qualifying. :)
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#20 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 11:26:12
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ February 6th 2021,09:34:01 )
You can't get technical problems in qualifying. :)
You sure can get lots of technical problems in Q's :XD
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#21 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 11:50:13
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do not forget also the Warmup distance of tires, and other driver characteristics which are important for pl and q, and different for the race...
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#22 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 12:49:25
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Is this a bug? 100% NO.
Working perfectly as intended - and also working totally correctly in the race itself.
Hint for you - what happened in practice (time loss wise) only had relevance for 5 laps in the race......(4 really as lap 1 is affected by a lot of other factors which spoil the data)
If you think your practice lap data has relevance to the other 48 laps, then you are making a huge, incorrect assumption.....
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#23 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 12:55:25
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Just to reiterate for those who might not know, pit stops are not possible in practice laps. 🤣🤣🤣
Mr Morris, I hope you'll be sharper than this in the oscars later in the season. :D
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#24 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 12:59:30
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To be fair, you technically go to the pits after every practice lap. Unless tyre wear is a thing there. You basicly use 7 different stints, which you cant do unless you go to the pitlane! So Morris is right and everyone else is wrong!!!
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#25 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 13:47:43
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I don't think conti pickers have a say in what is right and what is wrong.
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#26 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 13:48:10
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I always assumed that setup just is more important in practice/qualy. Whether it is as intended or a bug, I have no idea.
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#27 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 18:50:21
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Quote ( Yug Desai @ February 6th 2021,13:47:43 ) I don't think conti pickers have a say in what is right and what is wrong.
Yug! Don't say that!
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#28 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 18:56:32
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All the best for the next race Ricardo!
Atleast the temps are in your favour. ;)
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#29 geplaatst Feb 6 2021, 19:03:16
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Quote ( Amitesh Patnaik @ February 6th 2021,18:56:32 ) All the best for the next race Ricardo!
Atleast the temps are in your favour. ;)
Contis cant race in jungle off road tracks.
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#30 geplaatst Feb 7 2021, 14:35:14
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Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ February 6th 2021,13:48:10 ) I always assumed that setup just is more important in practice/qualy. Whether it is as intended or a bug, I have no idea.
This was the most helpful answer by far. Thanks.
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