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Старо мнение #1 публикувано 26 Ное 2017 г. 14:19:52 Цитат 
For those wondering:

Avonn: -9º (14º)
Yokomama: +2º (27º)
Dunnolop: +2º (21º)
Bridgerock: +$200.000 ($8.400.000)
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Старо мнение #2 публикувано 26 Ное 2017 г. 16:32:26 Цитат 
I'm wondering the sponsor formula also :P
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Старо мнение #3 публикувано 26 Ное 2017 г. 16:34:36 Цитат 
I thought I missed out the increase of BR's price
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Старо мнение #4 публикувано 26 Ное 2017 г. 18:02:49 Цитат 
Quote ( Lyee Chong @ November 26th 2017,16:34:36 )


I thought I missed out the increase of BR's price

choose that option lyee, BR's are a guarantee😂😂😂
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Старо мнение #5 публикувано 26 Ное 2017 г. 18:03:31 Цитат 
guaranteed broke maybe
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Старо мнение #6 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 15:49:39 Цитат 
Can anyone say what was the last time any of the tyre characteristics changed before this season? Not interested in price, just the actual characteristics.

I don't think this should be FOBY because it is information that once used to be public, just not anymore. I'd like to know because I want to look into historic sessions to get an idea of the performance of the different tyres, but I need to know how many seasons I can go back into the past while still looking at identical tyres.
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Старо мнение #7 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 15:53:15 Цитат 
Quote ( Stuart Foster @ November 26th 2017,18:03:31 )

guaranteed broke maybe


Cough, tyres last season, cough.
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Старо мнение #8 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 16:40:03 Цитат 
Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ November 30th 2017,15:49:39 )

I don't think this should be FOBY


Agreed.

Incomplete, but hey, can at least share what i've got:

"Season","SupplierName","PeakTemp","DryPerf","WetPerf","Durability","WarmupDist"
39,"Avonn",23,3,3,8,3
40,"Avonn",23,2,3,8,3
41,"Avonn",23,2,3,8,3
42,"Avonn",23,2,3,8,3
43,"Avonn",23,2,3,8,3
45,"Avonn",23,2,3,8,3
46,"Avonn",23,2,3,8,3
57,"Avonn",23,2,3,8,3
19,"Badyear",18,5,6,4,6
20,"Badyear",18,5,7,5,6
22,"Badyear",18,5,7,5,6
26,"Badyear",18,5,7,7,6
27,"Badyear",18,5,7,7,6
28,"Badyear",18,5,7,7,6
29,"Badyear",18,5,7,7,6
30,"Badyear",18,5,7,7,6
31,"Badyear",18,5,7,7,6
32,"Badyear",18,5,7,7,6
34,"Badyear",18,4,7,7,6
35,"Badyear",18,4,7,7,6
36,"Badyear",18,4,7,7,6
37,"Badyear",18,4,7,7,6
21,"Bridgerock",29,7,6,5,5
23,"Bridgerock",29,8,6,5,5
24,"Bridgerock",29,8,6,5,5
25,"Bridgerock",29,8,6,6,5
28,"Bridgerock",29,8,6,6,5
32,"Bridgerock",31,8,6,6,5
33,"Bridgerock",31,8,6,6,5
38,"Bridgerock",32,8,6,6,5
41,"Bridgerock",32,8,6,7,5
54,"Bridgerock",32,8,6,7,5
55,"Bridgerock",32,8,6,7,5
56,"Bridgerock",32,8,6,7,5
57,"Bridgerock",32,8,6,7,5
58,"Bridgerock",32,8,6,7,5
59,"Bridgerock",32,8,6,7,5
42,"Contimental",38,7,1,8,8
45,"Contimental",38,7,1,8,8
50,"Contimental",38,7,1,8,8
52,"Contimental",38,7,1,8,8
53,"Contimental",38,7,1,8,8
54,"Contimental",38,7,1,8,8
18,"Dunnolop",20,5,4,6,4
19,"Dunnolop",19,5,4,4,4
20,"Dunnolop",19,5,4,4,4
21,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,4
22,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,4
23,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,4
24,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,4
25,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,4
26,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,4
27,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
33,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
36,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
38,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
43,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
44,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
45,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
46,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
47,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
49,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
50,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
51,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
52,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
53,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
55,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
56,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
57,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
58,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
59,"Dunnolop",19,5,3,4,5
43,"Hancock",12,8,2,1,1
44,"Hancock",12,8,2,1,1
51,"Hancock",12,8,2,1,1
56,"Hancock",12,8,2,1,1
57,"Hancock",12,8,2,1,1
58,"Hancock",12,8,2,1,1
19,"Michelini",24,7,3,6,3
20,"Michelini",24,7,3,6,3
23,"Michelini",24,6,3,6,2
26,"Michelini",24,6,3,5,1
27,"Michelini",24,6,3,5,1
35,"Michelini",24,7,3,5,1
39,"Michelini",24,7,3,5,1
40,"Michelini",24,7,3,5,2
41,"Michelini",24,7,3,5,2
42,"Michelini",24,7,3,5,2
45,"Michelini",24,7,3,5,2
48,"Michelini",24,7,3,5,2
49,"Michelini",24,7,3,5,2
56,"Michelini",24,7,3,5,2
17,"Pipirelli",34,4,2,1,6
18,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,6
19,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
20,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
21,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
22,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
24,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
25,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
26,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
27,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
28,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
29,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
30,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
31,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
32,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
33,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
34,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
35,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
36,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
37,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
38,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
39,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
40,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
41,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
42,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
43,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
44,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
45,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
46,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
47,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
48,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
49,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
50,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
51,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
52,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
53,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
54,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
55,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
56,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
57,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
58,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
59,"Pipirelli",34,3,2,1,7
19,"Yokomama",30,4,4,2,5
27,"Yokomama",25,4,4,2,4
30,"Yokomama",25,4,4,2,4
31,"Yokomama",25,4,4,2,4
32,"Yokomama",25,4,4,2,4
35,"Yokomama",25,4,4,2,4
36,"Yokomama",25,4,4,2,4
37,"Yokomama",25,4,4,2,4
38,"Yokomama",25,4,4,2,4
40,"Yokomama",25,4,4,2,4
44,"Yokomama",25,4,4,3,4
48,"Yokomama",25,4,4,3,4
52,"Yokomama",25,4,4,3,4
54,"Yokomama",25,4,4,3,4
55,"Yokomama",25,4,4,3,4
58,"Yokomama",25,4,4,3,4
59,"Yokomama",25,4,4,3,4

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Старо мнение #9 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 16:42:03 (редактирано 30 Ное 2017 г. 16:43:29 от Miel Soeterbroek) Цитат 
To answer your question, the peak temp of Bridgies may be the last change, at a quick glance. Between S33 and S39

Edit: think it'd be good to add these stats to /gb/History.asp
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Старо мнение #10 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 16:47:49 Цитат 
Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ November 30th 2017,16:42:03 )

think it'd be good to add these stats
Good idea.
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Старо мнение #11 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 16:57:17 (редактирано 30 Ное 2017 г. 16:57:33 от Jasper Coosemans) Цитат 
Post of the season! And we haven't even raced yet. ^^ Thank you!
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Старо мнение #12 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 17:23:02 Цитат 
Yokos gained a durability bar S42, I think that was the last one. Surprised it's been so long.

S40 Avonns, Michis and Bridgies all got tweaked, and S39 was when the 3 new brands were added.
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Старо мнение #13 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 17:28:01 (редактирано 30 Ное 2017 г. 17:28:49 от Tibor Szuromi) Цитат 
Quote ( Roland Postle @ November 30th 2017,17:23:02 )

Yokos gained a durability bar S42 ...
Yes.
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Старо мнение #14 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 21:40:08 Цитат 
Michis lol
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Старо мнение #15 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:01:02 Цитат 
Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ November 30th 2017,15:49:39 )

I don't think this should be FOBY because it is information that once used to be public, just not anymore.

Why not ? There are aspects which are public only a limited time. It's up to you to decide if you save it or not.

How'bout this angle:
Shouldn't you and/or your team stay on top of the data in order to make informed decisions ?

If you haven't bothered to save the data, you don't get to benefit from it.

Should there not be any benefit to those who have saved the data ?
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Старо мнение #16 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:09:03 Цитат 
Oh go away.

Plenty of people weren't even here 20 seasons ago, and neither were their teammates.
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Старо мнение #17 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:20:17 Цитат 
Should we also hide the race results then Mikko?
Since we didnt bother to save them, We shouldnt have them, right?
Forum posts too? It would be unfair to those that saved the data.

For floppycock’s sake mate, get your head out of that overly tight bumhole of yours.
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Старо мнение #18 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:22:54 (редактирано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:49:38 от Mikko Heikkinen) Цитат 
Quote ( Sam Wainwright @ November 30th 2017,22:09:03 )

Plenty of people weren't even here 20 seasons ago, and neither were their teammates.


So why would they be looking for "identical tyres" 20 seasons ago. Why would they need such data ?


Quote ( Sam Wainwright @ November 30th 2017,22:09:03 )

Oh go away.

It's a dirty job but someone's got to do it :)


Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ November 30th 2017,22:20:17 )

For floppycock’s sake mate, get your head out of that overly tight bumhole of yours.

Apparently you are unable to stick with arguments, but instead stoop to level of personal attacks.
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Старо мнение #19 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:23:29 (редактирано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:25:35 от Stuart Foster) Цитат 
I don't think it matters that this kind of data is public.

I would say I am more surprised that Mikko wasn't jumping up and down about the commercial facilities data that's been passed around in that thread. I would say there is more reason that sort of data is kept sensitive than something like this.

Generally I personally only consider things foby if its something that has a significant or more than reasonable advantage with keeping private than sharing widely.

Neither of these fit that category in my book.

But...I don't write the book so, over to Vlad :)

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Старо мнение #20 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:24:20 (редактирано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:25:24 от Miel Soeterbroek) Цитат 
So first you claim that it’s unfair to people that did save it, if it’s made public. And now it has no value at all?

Form an opinion, then come back, ok?
And just stop trolling already
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Старо мнение #21 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:25:22 Цитат 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ November 30th 2017,22:22:54 )

So why would they be looking for "identical tyres" 20 seasons ago. Why would they need such data ?


Why would you care?
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Старо мнение #22 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:31:35 Цитат 
Quote ( Stuart Foster @ November 30th 2017,22:23:29 )

I would say I am more surprised that Mikko wasn't jumping up and down about the commercial facilities data that's been passed around in that thread. I would say there is more reason that sort of data is kept sensitive than something like this.


I might have been too :)

But I had inside information to the reasons of why not so it was less surprising :)


Quote ( Sven Bojkowski @ November 30th 2017,22:25:22 )

Why would you care?

Not sure if I do.

But since when has it been wrong to bring in "alternative approach" to a matter ?
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Старо мнение #23 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:33:31 (редактирано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:34:58 от Miel Soeterbroek) Цитат 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ November 30th 2017,22:22:54 )

Apparently you are unable to stick with arguments, but instead stoop to level of personal attacks.

To get one's head out of one's arse: get on the ball, pay attention.

In no way a personal attack, but if i offended your tush, i sincerely apologize.

There seriously is no arguing with you here mate. In two posts you've swayed from one end of the spectrum of opinions all the way to the other.
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Старо мнение #24 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:36:55 (редактирано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:39:21 от Mikko Heikkinen) Цитат 
Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ November 30th 2017,22:24:20 )

So first you claim that it’s unfair to people that did save it, if it’s made public. And now it has no value at all?



IF you just joined gpro, what value does the tyre history from 20 seasons back give you, since you would not have any other data from that period either

Is that concept too difficult to grasp for you ?


Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ November 30th 2017,22:33:31 )

In two posts you've swayed from one end of the spectrum of opinions all the way to the other.


Is it too difficult to understand that there may have been 2 completely different aspects of the matter.


Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ November 30th 2017,22:24:20 )

Form an opinion, then come back, ok?

Try understand the posts and come back then
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Старо мнение #25 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:39:08 Цитат 
It's more interesting than it is useful. Like (don't ask me why, but) I keep a record of how many cups are present in Elite each season because I am interested to see how many champions stay, come and go, and how many can get back up there. Not useful, but interesting. If it were public data that'd be cool, but I doubt anyone really cares.

I did keep track of tyre attributes between S33 and S43 then got... bored, and stopped collecting it. I'd like for it to be public.
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Старо мнение #26 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:40:13 Цитат 
Who the hell are you to dictate what is and is not valuable information to someone?
Jasper wants that info, and apparently sees a use for it. End of story.

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Старо мнение #27 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:40:20 (редактирано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:40:50 от Stuart Foster) Цитат 
yeah but Mikko that person needs to work out how to extrapolate that data for it to be of genuine use other than the equivalent of a long list of numbers that otherwise might be best suited to be written on a piece of toilet tissue in the hands of someone like...me. :p


e : I just used a clever word, woo :D
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Старо мнение #28 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:41:53 Цитат 
22 cups in season 50 by the way, if anyone cares...
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cups of what? tea?
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Старо мнение #30 публикувано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:43:05 (редактирано 30 Ное 2017 г. 22:43:16 от Jasper Coosemans) Цитат 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ November 30th 2017,22:36:55 )

IF you just joined gpro, what value does the tyre history from 20 seasons back give you, since you would not have any other data from that period either

I can't answer that question, that's FOBY.
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