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Is it logical?
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#1 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 13:27:23 (редактирано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 13:28:38 от Joseph Moses)
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During the race, in case a car was overlapped by more than 1 lap and the weather conditions shifted from dry to wet or the other way round , the concerned car has to complete the lap before getting into the new conditions !!!!
for example if it stopped raining and the car was overlapped by 2 laps, the car will be under rain for 2 laps !!!
I think this has to change .
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#2 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 13:29:56
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not sure if i understood well but it seems more like a punishment rather than logic
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#3 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 13:37:15
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Think of the track as one long straight instead of laps.
When the rain starts the leader is on a wet track but the one “laps down” is several km behind so still drives on a dry track until he gets to the place where the leader hit the rain.
This is necessary so that everyone has the same amount of wet and dry laps during a race.
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#4 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 13:37:58
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Quote ( Joaquim Sierra @ September 23rd 2019,13:29:56 ) not sure if i understood well but it seems more like a punishment rather than logic
example last race i didnt pit when it started raining so i continued on dry tyres
i was overlapped by 3 laps
when it stopped raining , i was the only one driving under rain until i finished these lagging laps.
so basically there was a cloud raining over my car !!
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#5 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 13:39:06
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Quote ( Graham Mercer @ September 23rd 2019,13:37:15 ) [i This is necessary so that everyone has the same amount of wet and dry laps during a race.
that is logical to the game
but still unreal.
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It is logic even if it dosent look that way. If i remember it right it starts/stops raining at a specific lap. So if the leader is on lap 25 and you are on lap 23 you will race with the same condition as the leader had on lap 23. Its the graphic that makes it look like the condition is diffrent.
Edit: too late :)
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#7 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 13:44:40 (редактирано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 13:45:57 от Joseph Moses)
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Quote ( Peder Jendersen @ September 23rd 2019,13:40:53 ) It is logic even if it dosent look that way. If i remember it right it starts/stops raining at a specific lap. So if the leader is on lap 25 and you are on lap 23 you will race with the same condition as the leader had on lap 23. Its the graphic that makes it look like the condition is diffrent.
Edit: too late :)
what if the leader was on lap 25 and the 2nd was just behind but got overlapped by laps then !
then it is not logical ;)
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#8 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 13:47:31
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Quote ( Joseph Moses @ September 23rd 2019,13:44:40 ) what if the leader was on lap 25 and the 2nd was just behind but got overlapped by laps then !
then it is not logical ;)
Sorry but I don't understand what you mean by this?
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think if you check on the old race viewer then everybody is on a wet track at same time ..
On the new race viewer its just a represented view of the race to make it more interesting to look at
just checked and the weather was same for you as everybody else in the old viewer and that is what you should be looking at
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#10 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 13:53:05
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All weather changes (temperature, humidity, rain) happen on the same lap in all races, not dependent on time. If the Elite race has rain starting on lap 24, it will start in all races on lap 24, even if the race time is 10 minutes later than the Elite race. https://wiki.gpro.net/index.php?title=Weather
In the other word, when we are racing in the GPRO world, we travel in the time scale of LAPS, you will not be in the same space as the lapping car next to you, where you will be in the space of the lapping car's LAST LAP. This is another logic for you to digest :)
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#11 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 14:05:57
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Quote ( Graham Mercer @ September 23rd 2019,13:47:31 ) Quote ( Joseph Moses @ September 23rd 2019,13:44:40 )
what if the leader was on lap 25 and the 2nd was just behind but got overlapped by laps then !
then it is not logical ;)
Sorry but I don't understand what you mean by this?
maybe i misunderstood Pedar but what i meant while replying
car x leading on dry conditions
car y just behind by 1 sec
lap 25 start of rain
car x pits for tyre change
car y stays out on dry tyres
lap 35 rains stop
car x overlaps car y by 2 laps
car y will keep racing until lap 35 in wet conditions
which is unreal
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#12 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 14:07:17
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ September 23rd 2019,13:53:05 ) All weather changes (temperature, humidity, rain) happen on the same lap in all races, not dependent on time. If the Elite race has rain starting on lap 24, it will start in all races on lap 24, even if the race time is 10 minutes later than the Elite race.
">https://wiki.gpro.net/index.php?title=Weather
In the other word, when we are racing in the GPRO world, we travel in the time scale of LAPS, you will not be in the same space as the lapping car next to you, where you will be in the space of the lapping car's LAST LAP. This is another logic for you to digest :)
if it is not same space then let every car race alone with no need to block and overtake :LOL
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#13 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 14:07:45
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Yes, it does not make sense in real life, but it's the same with the fact that the track is either fully dry or fully wet.
When you have to make strategy calls hours or even days before the race itself, the current implementation seems more fair and easier to prepare for and understand.
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#14 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 14:17:42
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Quote ( Joseph Moses @ September 23rd 2019,14:07:17 ) Quote ( Lyee Chong @ September 23rd 2019,13:53:05 )
if it is not same space then let every car race alone with no need to block and overtake :LOL
Actually thats more or less what the Race engine does by giving everybody a time for the lap and previous laps added together to give you your position in race.
like i said earlier the old screen viewer is the one to watch to see how it all works and the new viewer is just a guide and if you had checked earlier you would have seen .
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#15 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 14:23:42
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Quote ( Michael Jones @ September 23rd 2019,14:17:42 ) Quote ( Joseph Moses @ September 23rd 2019,14:07:17 )
Quote ( Lyee Chong @ September 23rd 2019,13:53:05 )
if it is not same space then let every car race alone with no need to block and overtake :LOL
Actually thats more or less what the Race engine does by giving everybody a time for the lap and previous laps added together to give you your position in race.
i understand but it has to be more real !
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#16 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 14:27:24
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Joseph it is real if you watch on old viewer..
the new viewer is only a representation of whats going on .
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#17 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 14:42:05
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Quote ( Michael Jones @ September 23rd 2019,14:27:24 ) Joseph it is real if you watch on old viewer..
the new viewer is only a representation of whats going on .
LOL it is not you will have still more laps to do compared to others.
its true it will be the same number of laps on wet which is again logical to the game
but it is not real to have different conditions at same time on same track in same group division !
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I just have to agree with Joeph, it's a mechanism in with i can't agree...
The rain comes on lap X, if i'm 2 laps behind, rain comes -2 laps for me, and when stop, if i'm at 3 laps behind, it stop 3 laps behind...
If i follow your logic Michael, yep, we see the rain at good moment on old race screen, but not in race analysis...
We have to remember that the weather on race analysis is basis on 1st racer (elite) time and not own time !
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#19 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 15:06:08
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What is your solution?
Your solution would have to involve people hitting changed conditions at exactly the same time. Which would inevitably mean that some cars will not do the full race, or will do a different race to everyone else. Which would mean those people would have to plan accordingly with tyre wear, fuel consumption, their parts wear, what laps they boost, without even knowing what lap they will be on when they set these things up.
It is not a simple task. Agreed, a few things look slightly bizarre on the new race viewer. They look fine on the old one, as the game engine was designed around all cars being on a long rolling road. A lot of things will have to change to acheive what you're asking. It really isn't worth it.
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Quote ( Josh Clark @ September 23rd 2019,15:06:08 ) What is your solution?Your solution would have to involve people hitting changed conditions at exactly the same time. Which would inevitably mean that some cars will not do the full race, or will do a different race to everyone else. Which would mean those people would have to plan accordingly with tyre wear, fuel consumption, their parts wear, what laps they boost, without even knowing what lap they will be on when they set these things up.
It is not a simple task. Agreed, a few things look slightly bizarre on the new race viewer. They look fine on the old one, as the game engine was designed around all cars being on a long rolling road. A lot of things will have to change to acheive what you're asking. It really isn't worth it.
IT IS not simple for programming maybe,
but it will make it realistic
for prerace planning , you know it is random and unpredictable . what will change in your plans?
nothing will change in your strategy, it will be only a technical issue i think
and how will some managers not finish the race ? i didnt get that point .
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#21 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 15:42:29
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If you want your car to be on same conditions as every body else watch the race in old viewer..
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Quote ( Joseph Moses @ September 23rd 2019,13:44:40 ) then it is not logical ;)
What is not logical is you not having rain tyres in the rain and then complaining being lapped for it
Quote ( Joseph Moses @ September 23rd 2019,14:42:05 ) L it is not you will have still more laps to do compared to others.
You did the exact same amount of laps in both conditions as everyone else
Quote ( Joseph Moses @ September 23rd 2019,14:42:05 ) but it is not real to have different conditions at same time on same track in same group division !
Maybe you just have a different view of how time proceeds than gpro does
You actually do have the same conditions as everyone else at the same time
Quote ( Joseph Moses @ September 23rd 2019,13:27:23 ) I think this has to change .
So you would like it to be more unfair ?
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#23 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 15:58:00
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ September 23rd 2019,15:43:03 ) What is not logical is you not having rain tyres in the rain and then complaining being lapped for it
Barrichello won hockenheim on wrong set of tyres ;)
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ September 23rd 2019,15:43:03 ) You did the exact same amount of laps in both conditions as everyone else
thats not realistic if im overlapped !
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ September 23rd 2019,15:43:03 ) Maybe you just have a different view of how time proceeds than gpro does
You actually do have the same conditions as everyone else at the same time
GPRO is not realistic then (more of arcade0
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ September 23rd 2019,15:43:03 ) So you would like it to be more unfair ?
not unfair but more REALISTIC
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Quote ( Joseph Moses @ September 23rd 2019,15:58:00 ) Barrichello won hockenheim on wrong set of tyres ;)
The point is this: It was a risk to take. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't
Quote ( Joseph Moses @ September 23rd 2019,15:58:00 ) not unfair but more REALISTIC
So essentially your complain is that GPRO promotes fairness over realism ?
That's not very logical :)
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ September 23rd 2019,16:02:47 ) So essentially your complain is that GPRO promotes fairness over realism ?
That's not very logical :)
Life is not fair mate ;) its random
it is the same as when you get a random tyre punture in gpro lol
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ September 23rd 2019,16:02:47 ) The point is this: It was a risk to take. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't
risks are real but you can expect the worse
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#26 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 16:18:09
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ September 23rd 2019,16:02:47 ) So essentially your complain is that GPRO promotes fairness over realism ?
That's not very logical :)
Countless times when I try to learn about how should I be doing setups etc, I get only vague answers like "think about how would it be in reality".
Reality is that it starts raining at 1h 12m after the race starts. Wherever you are in the circuit. Faking a slow racer that is 2 laps down to race 2 more laps in dry conditions until his lap count reaches the time of rain is not fair, nor realistic.
It would be as "simple" as tying down the rain to time rathern than lap number, which makes all the sense IMHO.
Forcing some sort of false sense of fairness by having all racers doing the same amount of laps in dry/rain conditions is nonsense. It does not give any fairness to the game.
Neither it does, again in my opinion, to have all racers finishing the full amount of laps in the race. It would never be like that (and has never been like that) in real car racing, in any category.
I understand that the game treats the race in some sort of linear way but hey, surprise, big news, f1 races are raced in a circuit where you lap several times. If this is the internal logic of the game, then the logic is tainted. And it is just fair that someone says it out loud without being called illogical, or is it not?
I agree with the OP, the rain should come at a specific time of the race for everyone equally, not at a specific lap, and maybe that would be complicating the coding of the game too much but that would make a lot more sense.
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#27 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 16:22:57
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Oh god not another one that doesnt know that the correct way the race works is in the old viewer where everybody gets rain at same time..
the new viewer dosnt represent the race fully its more a cosmetic feature ..
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#28 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 16:23:58
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Quote ( Kali Hernandez @ September 23rd 2019,16:18:09 ) It would be as "simple" as tying down the rain to time rathern than lap number, which makes all the sense IMHO
100%
BASED ON TIME NOT LAP !
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#29 публикувано 23 Сеп 2019 г. 16:28:31
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A new toy engine is being made.
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Quote ( Kali Hernandez @ September 23rd 2019,16:18:09 ) It does not give any fairness to the game.
ofc it does. It gives everyone the chance to get full race distance data and the full race distance chance to compete for positions. It also puts all competitors in the same conditions for exactly the same amount of time/laps
Just to name a few^^
Or maybe your definition of fairness is a bit different. Is your definition of fair "unequal conditions" :)
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