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Tópico: Sponsor Happiness Bar |
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#1 Postado 4 Mar 2017, 14:43:31
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I check old posts but couldt find any idea about this ( maybe i am blind )
It would be nice to see their moods after everyrace. ,A simulated example below
Before race 1;
Sponsor1: %100 happy / Mid Table Promised
Sponsor2: %100 happy / Low Table Promised
Sponsor3: %100 happy / Top 4 / Promotion Promised
Race 1 result: 15th place; Post race 1 update;
Sponsor1: %100 happy / Mid Table Promised
Sponsor2: %80 (-20 ) happy / Low Table Promised
Sponsor3: %70 (-30) happy / Top 4 / Promotion Promised
Before race 2;
Sponsor1: %100 happy / Mid Table Promised
Sponsor2: %80 happy / Low Table Promised
Sponsor3: %70 happy / Top 4 / Promotion Promised
Race 2 result: 2nd place; Post race 2 update;
Sponsor1: %90(- 10 ) happy / Mid Table Promised
Sponsor2: %50(- 30) happy / Low Table Promised
Sponsor3: %90(+ 20) happy / Top 4 / Promotion Promised
Before race 3;
Sponsor1: %90 happy / Mid Table Promised
Sponsor2: %50 happy / Low Table Promised
Sponsor3: %90 happy / Top 4 / Promotion Promised
Race 3 result: 30th th place; Post race 3 update;
Sponsor1: %70(-20) happy / Mid Table Promised
Sponsor2: %70(+ 20) happy / Low Table Promised
Sponsor3: %50( -40 ) happy / Top 4 / Promotion Promised
.......... it goes like that :)
These are the words of a man who lost his 2 sponsors in a row :)
Good Day From Beautiful Planet / Earth / World
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#2 Postado 4 Mar 2017, 16:13:10
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Sounds good tbh. Nothing pops into my head about why this would be a bad/weak suggestion, if there are some.
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#3 Postado 4 Mar 2017, 16:15:56 (editado pela última vêz 4 Mar 2017, 16:16:58 por Jon Day)
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Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,14:43:31 ) Good Day From Beautiful Planet / Earth / World Ooo Ive been there :-)
Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,14:43:31 ) It would be nice to see their moods after everyrace. ,A simulated example below
Not sure whether I like the idea or not to be honest....which is of no help to anyone. :D
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#4 Postado 4 Mar 2017, 16:22:06
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Quote ( Jon Day @ March 4th 2017,16:15:56 ) which is of no help to anyone
realy? u already know their moods without implement this suggestion? :) u must have spidy senses my friend.
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#5 Postado 4 Mar 2017, 16:27:14
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I like this idea, although by the example above, I'm not sure why sponsors should be unhappy after you exceed their expectations in the race.
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#6 Postado 4 Mar 2017, 16:30:12
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there is no such thing of exceed Dom, i am sure of it coz this season was better than last for me and i lost my mid table sponsors :) they always want what they need, if u promised mid or low table u can not fight for title :) they dont like that somehow
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#7 Postado 4 Mar 2017, 16:34:49
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Quote ( Ahmet Sonverdi @ March 4th 2017,16:13:10 ) Nothing pops into my head about why this would be a bad/weak suggestion, if there are some.
The worst thing of it all is:
Makes things too easy.
At this moment sponsors warn you if they are unhappy, so you do already have sufficient information
Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,14:43:31 ) These are the words of a man who lost his 2 sponsors in a row :)
Well here's words from a man who lost 2 sponsors in 1 race:
Still no for your suggestion from me.
Making things easier is NOT the same as making things better
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#8 Postado 4 Mar 2017, 16:37:39 (editado pela última vêz 4 Mar 2017, 16:39:17 por Stuart Foster)
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Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,16:22:06 ) already know their moods without implement this suggestion? :) u must have spidy senses my friend.
Well, as long as you remember what promises you make to a sponsor, you should already have an idea of how they'll be feeling when you roll home in 25th place after singing them a tune that suggested you'd be in a top 4 position, especially so if the sponsors expectations are high :)
Irrespective of knowing that, you'll know anyway for reasons Mikko just mentioned about their unhappiness. And you should always have a pretty good idea why they are unhappy if they are without the need of a percentage / smiley face indicator to show you :)
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#9 Postado 4 Mar 2017, 16:38:54
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ March 4th 2017,16:34:49 ) Making things easier is NOT the same as making things better
right, but make it more realistic, ist it? u have a sponsor working with u but u are just praying they dont complain about ur results after every race :) there must be more communicate between and this bar can make it, i believe.
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ March 4th 2017,16:37:39 ) Well, as long as you remember what promises you make to a sponsor, you should already have an idea of how they'll be feeling when you roll home in 25th place after singing them a tune that suggested you'd be in a top 4 position, especially so if the sponsors expectations are high :)
Another Right to u :) and another but;
can u tell me where is '' Mid-table ''? check my standing and think about how i lost my 2 mid table promised sponsors :)
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Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,16:38:54 ) but make it more realistic, ist it?
What is realistic about having a specific "happiness percentage" for a sponsor. If you wish to be realistic, surely the current model - they only tell you when they are not happy - is pretty close to realistic?
I'm not saying I am for or against the suggestion, but realism is certainly not an argument for it.
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Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,16:40:43 ) check my standing and think about how i lost my 2 mid table promised sponsors :)
Depends what the sponsors own expectation level was though, irrespective of what you told them. Sorry to the rest of the forum if this is viewed as Foby, feel free to edit Kevin if you think so :)
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Kevin, do u communicate with Vlad as just yes or no? this is what sponsors doing us here :) they want mid table results but they still keep complaining after u just in the middle of table. i want them to screw of the result and tell what they realy want :)
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Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,16:44:48 ) Kevin, do u communicate with Vlad as just yes or no? this is what sponsors doing us here :) they want mid table results but they still keep complaining after u just in the middle of table. i want them to screw of the result and tell what they realy want :)
That's not what you are suggesting in the opening post though. I understand your frustration with sponsors, and I am not saying if they should or should not be changed - only pointing out that your "realism" point absolutely doesn't apply to a "happiness bar". No company can check a scale to see what percentage another company are currently "happy" with them. Again, I'm not saying that makes the suggestion a bad one - sometimes benefit to game play is more important than realism.
I am not stating any opinion on the suggestion, just that talk of "realism" is not a selling point of the suggestion.
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I believe the problem you are probably experiencing is to do with how you are answering the sponsor questions Onur, rather than the problem being with the game. Just my gut instinct about this, it's worth you taking this on board I think :)
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Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,16:38:54 ) u have a sponsor working with u but u are just praying they dont complain about ur results after every race :) there must be more communicate between and this bar can make it, i believe.
They DO communicate between races, verbally.
IF you ignored it, look in the mirror :)
Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,16:38:54 ) right, but make it more realistic, ist it?
Do you have a "happyness percentage" hovering above your head ?
ps. please try to speak English on the forum, this is not sms, you're limited to 160 characters, there's no reason to write like this: re hg fdl nd887 dafd on forums
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ March 4th 2017,16:48:57 ) I am not stating any opinion on the suggestion, just that talk of "realism" is not a selling point of the suggestion.
i got it Kevin
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ March 4th 2017,16:49:52 ) Do you have a "happyness percentage" hovering above your head ?
of course not, but if you work with someone u can see this percentage from the face, dont you? :)
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Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,16:55:12 ) of course not, but if you work with someone u can see this percentage from the face, dont you? :)
n u c n
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As for realism could our commercial team not turn the available information from the sponsor into a percentage? Of course it wouldn't be 100% right all the time, but a reasonable estimate
Anyway feeling quite neutral about the idea, on the whole.
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Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,16:55:12 ) of course not, but if you work with someone u can see this percentage from the face, dont you? :)
1) You'd see none of that from my face. I have no feelings nor emotions and they dont' show on my face
2) what makes you think sponsors work face-to-face with teams. They might as well work through email.
And they do communicate with you that way already.
They warn you at least 2 times before cancelling contract. IF you didn't pay attention, it's totally and completely your fault.
It's very much possible to work with someone withtout even seeing them.
3) Most likely this sc. issue you experienced is due to negotiation issues. You probably haven't completely comprehended the repercussions of the way you have negotiated with the sponsor.
And your suggestion is directly aimed into pointing out such miscomprehensions.
So, in other words the goal of your suggestion is to make things significantly easier, and as such needs to be considered with extreme caution
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#21 Postado 4 Mar 2017, 17:42:59 (editado pela última vêz 4 Mar 2017, 17:45:21 por Jon Day)
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Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,16:22:06 ) realy? u already know their moods without implement this suggestion? :) u must have spidy senses my friend. I think you miss-understood what I was saying sorry.
I meant the fact that I am not sure whether I like the idea or not, not the idea itself. :-)
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13-1 thats a score man!!! maybe its time to make it a bit easier?
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ March 4th 2017,16:49:52 ) please try to speak English on the forum, this is not sms, you're limited to 160 characters, there's no reason to write like this: re hg fdl nd887 dafd on forums
Four real doe..
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ March 4th 2017,16:40:46 ) Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,16:38:54 )
but make it more realistic, ist it?
What is realistic about having a specific "happiness percentage" for a sponsor. If you wish to be realistic, surely the current model - they only tell you when they are not happy - is pretty close to realistic?
I'm not saying I am for or against the suggestion, but realism is certainly not an argument for it.
Sure, also in reality contracts can't be broken like that out of the blue without any penalties or break clauses.
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Quote ( Jon Day @ March 4th 2017,17:42:59 ) I think you miss-understood what I was saying sorry.
was just joking man :) it was for get a bit warm while here has a stone-cold killer :)
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Quote ( Onur Guardian @ March 4th 2017,17:46:19 ) 13-1 thats a score man!!! maybe its time to make it a bit easier?
Waiting Kirsty and her stars..
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Quote ( Montes Dimemola @ March 4th 2017,17:47:50 ) Sure, also in reality contracts can't be broken
If you don't fulfill your side of the contract, for sure the contract can be terminated
Quote ( Montes Dimemola @ March 4th 2017,17:47:50 ) out of the blue
As pointed out multiple times in this thread, it's not "out of the blue", they DO warn you AT LEAST 2 times (sometimes more)
Quote ( Montes Dimemola @ March 4th 2017,17:47:50 ) without any penalties or break clauses.
They still do pay you compensation even when it's you who didsn't fulfill the negotiated conditions
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ March 4th 2017,16:34:49 ) Making things easier is NOT the same as making things better
Correct, but it's ironic that your whole argument against Onur's idea can be summarised as "making things easier is making things worse", which is equally bs.
Giving more indications about a sponsor's happiness does not reduce the problem of him potentially leaving. It does, however, give you more possibilities to manage the problem. Which, in a management game, doesn't sound like a bad thing.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ March 4th 2017,18:16:19 ) give you more possibilities to manage the problem
thats the point!!! ;)
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ March 4th 2017,18:16:19 ) Correct, but it's ironic that your whole argument against Onur's idea can be summarised as "making things easier is making things worse", which is equally bs.
That's incorrect. I'm not actually saying it would directly make things worse (although in this case it most likely would), what I'm saying is that it would not improve things. There is a significant difference.
Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ March 4th 2017,18:16:19 ) Giving more indications about a sponsor's happiness does not reduce the problem of him potentially leaving. It does, however, give you more possibilities to manage the problem.
(finally someone sees the point) IF you are just given the information of everything, where is the part of managing where you find the optimal way of handling things ?
If it gives you "more indication", it will also give more precise indication of where things have "gone south" which will also give you the information on how to negotiate your future contracts = Much earier
Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ March 4th 2017,18:16:19 ) Which, in a management game, doesn't sound like a bad thing.
Might not at first glance. But if everyone is just handed over everything, what management is there left ? What would differentiate managers from each other ?
Bit by bit gpro would turn into one [blaclisted], which is not management, but insted a racing game.
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