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@Dmitry says:
I want to ask you too.
Ukraine has been killing civilians in Donbas for 8 years.
14 thousand dead during this time.
Didn't that bother you?
Or if for 8 years to kill only 5 people a day, every day - then this is not a war, it's so, not serious ....
There is a good chance that when this is all over, the losses will be less than the Donbas suffered during all this time.
I believe that no evil can be explained to others and EVERY crime must be legally resolved by the Hague Conventions not military. I'm ALMOST a pacifist. I am involved in most of the humanitarian aid, regardless of the side of the conflict. Almost ... because in recent days I have decided to go back to arms when the threat of Russia my country.
NEVER AGAIN RUSSIAN ARMY IN POLAND, I still remember what it was like , "mai druzya" :-)
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@Arpi Horvath
And what happened in the 24 years period from 1991 to 2014? How many people were killed then? Wasn't there an uprising in 2014 backed by Russia that changed everything?
Well then. I'll take a quick tour with my own eyes.
From 1991 to 2014 Ukraine was plundered by politicians and oligarchs. Enterprises created by the USSR were closed, went bankrupt, sold for next to nothing. Forests were cut down, the extraction and sale of amber went beyond the budget, military equipment, ships and aircraft were sold along with technologies.
Shipyards were sawn into metal along with the laid down ships.
I'm not going to prove it - you can not believe it, your right.
The people were impoverished.
At the same time, the Russian language was cancelled. First in schools, then in institutes, then at all levels. Despite the fact that this language was native to 80+% of the population. That is, people "THINK" on it, not at all like just speaking it.
In general, hatred towards the Russians was cultivated through changes in the school curriculum, amendments to history, in the announcement of heroes - the Nazis and their accomplices. Bandera, Shukhevych....
Another revolution was a bloody political coup in 2014, and led to an illegal change of power, into the hands of the Nazis, and under the slogans that Russia does not allow them to choose the path to the EU.
The eastern regions, much more populated by Russian-speaking people, did not recognize this government, and were against persecution on a national basis and the prohibition of the Russian language.
On May 2, 2014, peaceful protesters against the illegal change of government were burned alive in Odessa by Ukrainian radicals.
Yes, burned alive. 45 people.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8...
These same radicals promised to punish the eastern regions of their own country in the same way.
After this incident, the eastern regions took up arms.
I will not deny that volunteers from Russia came to the aid of the Donbass, and probably helped with weapons, but there is still no official confirmation.
I think they helped. Taking into account the fact that Ukraine stupidly shot at civilian objects and fired at cities, it was just a punitive operation.
The agreement was signed in 2015. "Minsk-2".
Russia is NOT a party to this agreement!!!
There was a clear plan of steps on what to do to resolve the conflict. What is Ukraine doing and what is Donbas doing.
Ukraine has not fulfilled a single item for 7 years.
She continued to build up anti-Russian propaganda, nurturing Nazism directed against Russia.
And she continued to shoot at the Donbass, among which live 600 thousand Russian citizens, who also died under shelling. (imagine such a situation for the citizens of your country, they are being killed, and you are waiting for the fitting process to finally begin ... 8 years ...)
The last straw was the statement by President Ukrina at the "Munich Security Conference" about his desire to have nuclear weapons if the NATO bloc does not accept and protect it. The audience applauded him.
Taking into account that the infrastructure for the manufacture of an atomic bomb is available to Ukraine, and there are specialists, and shelling in the Donbas has become more frequent, the patience of the Russian Federation has ended.
And here we are in the current situation.
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@Paweł Piętka
NEVER AGAIN RUSSIAN ARMY IN POLAND, I still remember what it was like , "mai druzya" :-)
selective memory.
Here I remember - but here I do not remember ...
Do you remember what Bandera did in Poland?
Do you know that he is a national hero in Ukraine?
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#664 přispěno 28 Únor 2022, 22:25:16 (naposledy změněno 28 Únor 2022, 22:28:40 od Daryl Gee)
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Quote ( Dmitry Serebryakov @ February 28th 2022,22:15:12 ) And here we are in the current situation.
So, it's ok to kill people, because...
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It's not.
There's a lot of complicated political bullshit going on, but if your complicated political bullshit gets you justifying killing people, then I think you're a bit of a cunt.
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Quote ( Dmitry Serebryakov @ February 28th 2022,22:15:12 ) From 1991 to 2014 Ukraine was plundered by politicians and oligarchs.
Thank god that never happened in Russia.....
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Quote ( Daryl Gee @ February 28th 2022,22:25:16 ) It's not.
Killing people is not.
Nazis - yes.
Those who have been killing civilians with impunity for 8 years. Including citizens of Russia.
Imagine that the citizens of your country are slowly being killed, 5 people a day, and all attempts by your government to stop the conflict are ignored by the aggressor.
And the European "colleagues", instead of forcing Ukraine to fulfill the agreement they signed, they supply weapons to those who kill your citizens.
How many years would your government tolerate this?
Our government has been trying to resolve this issue peacefully for 8 years.
The Russian army does not shoot at cities. Everything that is broadcast in your news about the shelling of cities is a lie or terrorist attacks by Ukrainian Nazis against their own population in order to take a picture.
And often these are shots of what they did for 8 years in the Donbas.
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Quote ( Mark Witney @ February 28th 2022,22:34:32 ) Thank god that never happened in Russia.....
Just check.
Compare external debts and GDP of countries in dynamics.
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Isn't Putin acting like a nazist himself? Because it looks like...
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Dmitry Serebryakov make sure you swallow every spoonful of your states propaganda, but thanks to your country and your deranged leader the world has never been as united as it is today
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I already said all I have to say to you, Dmitry.
There have been a lot of Russian players contributing to our understanding of the complexities here, and I think most of us better understand the two sides thanks to their input, even if we disagree with them.
You're just trolling and you should really stop that.
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WOW Sorry.
Finally, the rules will pacify, including me.
I'm sorry I didn't notice right away, I wrote too long texts, many new messages appeared during this time.
The rules are very similar to those that were invented by me for airsoft when I was the secretary of the council of commanders of our region.
They smoothed out a lot of conflicts.
I shut up, thank God.
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Quote ( Dmitry Serebryakov @ February 28th 2022,22:35:32 ) Compare external debts and GDP of countries in dynamics.
Where do you get your blinkers,? I could do with a pair just like them.
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Quote ( Dmitry Serebryakov @ February 28th 2022,22:35:32 ) The Russian army does not shoot at cities. Everything that is broadcast in your news about the shelling of cities is a lie or terrorist attacks by Ukrainian Nazis against their own population in order to take a picture.
And often these are shots of what they did for 8 years in the Donbas.
yeah sure it is. Everything broadcast on our tv is just a lie but yours is the gospel truth.
now you have lost me.
I was trying to follow your arguments as I wasn’t as informed about the Ukraine until this kicked off. Lots of guys post stuff that is informative, I don’t agree with all of them but I am better educated.
afraid your attempt to pretend everything is fake news sounds like it’s coming straight from the mouth of the Russian leaders….. it’s called propaganda and like the Russian national anthem from now on I will just turn you off.
nice try, you had me there for a while ;)
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Quote ( Dmitry Serebryakov @ February 28th 2022,22:15:12 ) The last straw was the statement by President Ukrina at the "Munich Security Conference" about his desire to have nuclear weapons if the NATO bloc does not accept and protect it. The audience applauded him.
First of all he never expressed a desire to have nuclear weapons. This is yet another example of Putin's manipulations.
Secondly, it is a fact that Russia has breached the Budapest Memorandum on numerous occasions. Is it so surprising, then, that Zelenskyy calls Russia out on this and asks what the value of the Memorandom is when one party is not upholding it?
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I followed part of the debate here and despite the different narratives about who is right and who is wrong, I have seen the desperation of the Ukrainian people who have had to leave their homes and jobs behind. And I have also now seen, on TV Globo, the run by the Russians on the banks, whose currency has been brutally devalued and must suffer serious economic consequences. Unfortunately, if the war continues and the sanctions against Russia increase, the whole world will foot the bill.
So I want the Russians and Ukrainians to come to an agreement that ends the war quickly for the good of themselves and humanity.
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For the Russian president, the situation has simply become unbearable.
I was born and lived in the city of Grozny, in that same Chechnya, and even as a child I experienced what persecution is on a national basis - I cannot deny the obvious, and I cannot have a different opinion.
Our family had to lose everything and flee from terrorism and ethnic persecution.
Who invited these terrorists and what did the Ukrainian Nazis do in Chechnya (yes, they were there already in 1995), and why Kadyrov and the Chechens have personal scores with them - google it yourself.
Quote ( Marcos Dutra @ February 28th 2022,23:05:25 )
Marcos. I have a hobby.
You probably won't guess :)
I am the conductor and head of the batukada orchestra.
There are 19 people in my team.
I am Mestre! We perform Brazilian carnival samba, and sing Brazilian carnival songs and pagoda.
Friends, I am not a villain, and in general I am not an adherent of Putin's decisions. It's just that the situation in the Donbas was reflected in what I experienced as a child.
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 28th 2022,09:46:42 ) Just a small reminder: as you see, we let the discussion run as we think it is neccessary. But as understandable all your emotions are, we still don't want to see personal insults here!
I would like to thank and applaud the crew for allowing this thread to exist. The attitude of not talking about politics too much has prevailed for far too long not just on GPRO but in society in general. As a result we no longer learn to cope with opposing views or to respectfully disagree. It paves the way to radicalization which ultimately only leads to even greater conflict.
Having said that, allowing the thread to exist doesn't mean that you have to allow every post to stay. When I read comments like "we will dismember your people", or one person consistently flinging personal insults at others, I find it a bit appalling to see that no moderator action is being taken...
Aside from those few exceptional people, I think that considering the sensitivity and the complexity of the situation, the level of discussion in this thread has been remarkably good and GPRO can be proud of hosting such a diverse and civilized community.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ February 28th 2022,23:30:13 )
Having said that, allowing the thread to exist doesn't mean that you have to allow every post to stay. When I read comments like "we will dismember your people", or one person consistently flinging personal insults at others, I find it a bit appalling to see that no moderator action is being taken...
We have taken actions a couple times so far and we are watching this thread closely.
Feel free to report anyone who behaves in such a way. A simple PM to me or the other staff members will suffice. We read them all.
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Quote ( Dan Altobelli @ February 28th 2022,21:07:21 ) It must be remembered that Trump has pulled the United States out of NATO!!
Trump did not pull the United States out of NATO. He told the other NATO countries to start contributing more money to NATO and now it is stronger than ever.
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thanks for this Dmitry,
I did say I would turn “you” off. A brilliant pile of pictures and videos of what ?
You say they give out weapons to all, so what ? Good on em. They are fighting for their country.
there is one very easy solution, pull out of a Ukraine, go back hone to Mother Russia, become a pariah of the world and do yiur trade with China. You had a chance to be a part of the modern world but decided to take it back to 1939.
Artillery could be anywhere and anybody…. I just have to take your word for it hey ?
you say I get taken in by propaganda Luckily I speak to different guys and get a slightly different view from you on what these things are or could be. I don’t just take somebody’s word that it’s real.
we recognise that things might be propaganda, well most of us, you clearly don’t. If your wonderful truthful state run media says it is true, it must be.
I know I am exposed to it, but at least I recognise that.
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Nice try, but no.
1. None of those GRADs is firing or showing evidence that is has fired. Not clear for how long they are situated on that street. Сombat crew is not visible. So, there is no threat in them standing there, or at least the risk is way lower than you are trying to sell here.
2. Why you are showing (manipulatively) only the first part of the video where civilian want the soldiers to go away? I fully support people position, but it's not clear why soldiers are there and if they left after they were requested.
3. Distributing weapons is not your business nor you are even remotely eligible to criticize that after what your country has done. And on the side note, you don't know if those people are already enlisted when they are taking those guns. I know that passport is required. And actually there's much more people than guns, so it simply doesn't make sense giving them in an uncontrolled way.
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At this difficult time, as a citizen of Ukraine, I want to express my own position, which is also the position of millions of Ukrainians who are now forced to defend their future with weapons in hand.
Almost everything that Dmitry Serebryakov writes is an outright lie. Below, I will try to react to the biggest and explain why.
But, first of all, I appeal to the citizens of other countries who still have doubts, succumbing to a one-sided view of these events by Russian propagandists.
Just think - there was peace in Ukraine until the moment when the Russian military in 2014 as cowards, without honor and conscience, without identification came to the Crimea and the Donbass.
And now I will react to the outright lies of Dmitry Serebryakov in post 662.
1. What infuriates me the most is that he calls Ukraine and its government Nazis. And the Revolution of Dignity - a coup. I appeal to the administrators to punish him for outright lies and slander. And let me remind you that in 2014, the whole world recognized that the change of government, after the escape of the then puppet pro-Russian president, took place legally. Ukraine is a parliamentary-presidential republic, so when the president flees to Russia, the parliament elected by the people of Ukraine calls new presidential elections. And the accusation of Nazism is outright Russian propaganda that has been heard from all propaganda channels for eight years. Think about us since 2014 - both presidents are Jews. Jews, Carl. And today in Israel thousands of their citizens are coming out in support of Ukraine. I demand to punish Dmitry Serebryakov for insulting my country, using propaganda narratives and outright lies.
2. Language. Does anyone wonder that the Ukrainian language is supported in Ukraine? Since 1991, 90% of the press, radio and television broadcasts in Independent Ukraine have been Russian. With the growth of the new generation came gradual changes and the share of the Ukrainian language began to grow. Russian and Ukrainian now coexist in parallel and in everyday life or in the field of service people use the one that is closest to them, without any restrictions. But in the public sphere - politicians, for example, under the new law must speak Ukrainian. Is that weird? Our current, Russian-speaking president from birth, has mastered Ukrainian very quickly and now uses it almost perfectly in public. The language issue in Ukraine - artificial - is imposed by Russian propaganda.
3. He writes about the persecution on national grounds and the ban on the Russian language - this is also a lie. I wrote about language above. And now, around me, many Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine are defending our independence from Russia with weapons and hands. Ironically, isn't it? Because they know as well as Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Hungary - what is the Russian world - when you are taken to Siberia, and in your home settle a Russian freak loyal to the regime. When the Holodomor is staged in the Donbass, killing millions of people and replaced by Russians, whose descendants in 2014 called on Putin to deploy troops.
4. On Bandera and Ukraine's relations with Poles. This should not apply to Russians at all. This is their way of dividing and ruling, trying to quarrel neighbors. In Ukraine and Poland, the history of relations is as difficult as in England with France, Spain and Germany, and so on. But we will deal with it. Poland is now one of our greatest allies and friends. They give us shelter and support.
5. Another lie about the Minsk agreements. Even the Russian Wikipedia points to the signatory of Zurabov, Russia's ambassador.
6. Concerning the restoration of nuclear status - another deception. Zelensky promised to withdraw from the Budapest Memorandum, hinting that the countries that guaranteed our security were not helping us in any way. And one of them attacked us in 2014, but she does not have the courage to admit it. But on February 24, 2022, the whole world, even those who did not want to see it, understood this.
The worst thing in this situation is that Ukraine, which has voluntarily given up its third nuclear potential in the world, is now threatened by Russia with nuclear weapons.
I appeal to people from all over the world - support Ukraine. Ask your politicians to do this, donate money to charitable foundations, pray for us. After all, what is happening now is not just Russia's war with Ukraine. This is a war of values - where on the one hand - the inalienable rights and freedoms of the people, and on the other - terror and a new prison of nations.
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 1st 2022,02:02:47 ) At this difficult time, as a citizen of Ukraine, I want to express my own position, which is also the position of millions of Ukrainians who are now forced to defend their future with weapons in hand.
Almost everything that Dmitry Serebryakov writes is an outright lie. Below, I will try to react to the biggest and explain why.
But, first of all, I appeal to the citizens of other countries who still have doubts, succumbing to a one-sided view of these events by Russian propagandists.
Just think - there was peace in Ukraine until the moment when the Russian military in 2014 as cowards, without honor and conscience, without identification came to the Crimea and the Donbass.
And now I will react to the outright lies of Dmitry Serebryakov in post 662.
1. What infuriates me the most is that he calls Ukraine and its government Nazis. And the Revolution of Dignity - a coup. I appeal to the administrators to punish him for outright lies and slander. And let me remind you that in 2014, the whole world recognized that the change of government, after the escape of the then puppet pro-Russian president, took place legally. Ukraine is a parliamentary-presidential republic, so when the president flees to Russia, the parliament elected by the people of Ukraine calls new presidential elections. And the accusation of Nazism is outright Russian propaganda that has been heard from all propaganda channels for eight years. Think about us since 2014 - both presidents are Jews. Jews, Carl. And today in Israel thousands of their citizens are coming out in support of Ukraine. I demand to punish Dmitry Serebryakov for insulting my country, using propaganda narratives and outright lies.
2. Language. Does anyone wonder that the Ukrainian language is supported in Ukraine? Since 1991, 90% of the press, radio and television broadcasts in Independent Ukraine have been Russian. With the growth of the new generation came gradual changes and the share of the Ukrainian language began to grow. Russian and Ukrainian now coexist in parallel and in everyday life or in the field of service people use the one that is closest to them, without any restrictions. But in the public sphere - politicians, for example, under the new law must speak Ukrainian. Is that weird? Our current, Russian-speaking president from birth, has mastered Ukrainian very quickly and now uses it almost perfectly in public. The language issue in Ukraine - artificial - is imposed by Russian propaganda.
3. He writes about the persecution on national grounds and the ban on the Russian language - this is also a lie. I wrote about language above. And now, around me, many Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine are defending our independence from Russia with weapons and hands. Ironically, isn't it? Because they know as well as Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Hungary - what is the Russian world - when you are taken to Siberia, and in your home settle a Russian freak loyal to the regime. When the Holodomor is staged in the Donbass, killing millions of people and replaced by Russians, whose descendants in 2014 called on Putin to deploy troops.
4. On Bandera and Ukraine's relations with Poles. This should not apply to Russians at all. This is their way of dividing and ruling, trying to quarrel neighbors. In Ukraine and Poland, the history of relations is as difficult as in England with France, Spain and Germany, and so on. But we will deal with it. Poland is now one of our greatest allies and friends. They give us shelter and support.
5. Another lie about the Minsk agreements. Even the Russian Wikipedia points to the signatory of Zurabov, Russia's ambassador.
6. Concerning the restoration of nuclear status - another deception. Zelensky promised to withdraw from the Budapest Memorandum, hinting that the countries that guaranteed our security were not helping us in any way. And one of them attacked us in 2014, but she does not have the courage to admit it. But on February 24, 2022, the whole world, even those who did not want to see it, understood this.
The worst thing in this situation is that Ukraine, which has voluntarily given up its third nuclear potential in the world, is now threatened by Russia with nuclear weapons.
I appeal to people from all over the world - support Ukraine. Ask your politicians to do this, donate money to charitable foundations, pray for us. After all, what is happening now is not just Russia's war with Ukraine. This is a war of values - where on the one hand - the inalienable rights and freedoms of the people, and on the other - terror and a new prison of nations.
You and your country is in my prayers.
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<font style="vertical-align: inherit;"><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">Quote ( Dmitry Serebryakov @ March 1st 2022,00:17:55 ) оружие, даже без проверки документов : </font></font>
<font style="vertical-align: inherit;"><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">https://www .youtube.com/shorts/f2vDpw4x47M?&ab_channel=%...
And this is a clear example of the manipulation. Let me remind you that Russia has banned calling this attack a war in its country.
In the video you see a fragment from the general context. context that is much broader than this video. Yes, people are given weapons. But let's think about whether something could have happened before. The answer is yes. People voluntarily enroll in the territorial defense - the official structure (there is a separate law that appeared a long time ago), part of the armed forces of Ukraine. Registration procedure - official - according to the documents of a citizen of Ukraine. And only after that you can get a weapon.
In addition, you can see that some people are already dressed in uniform, and some in the process of changing clothes. Territorial defense is an official structure and is financed by taxpayers - the same people.
A big minus and we will fix it one day, because by law people can't keep these weapons and that's why they bring them from army depots and distribute them. Sometimes this is chaotic, because the enemy is already at the gate.
It is a pity that a video was not proposed, where in addition to Soviet-style submachine guns, the territorial defense receives modern models of anti-tank weapons and portable air defense systems. Thank you very much, friends from the USA, Great Britain, Poland, the Baltic States and everyone who supports us.
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Quote ( Dmitry Serebryakov @ February 28th 2022,23:27:05 )
Quote ( Marcos Dutra @ February 28th 2022,23:05:25 )
Marcos. I have a hobby.
You probably won't guess :)
I am the conductor and head of the batukada orchestra.
There are 19 people in my team.
I am Mestre! We perform Brazilian carnival samba, and sing Brazilian carnival songs and pagoda
Wow!!! Amazing! I didn't even imagine. I think it's really cool that you like Brazilian rhythms.
I think I've heard of this orchestra.
I remember hearing something about her during the 2018 World Cup. Brazilians had a lot of fun in Russia in 2018. I watched it from here on TV.
This year there was no Carnival here in Brazil, particularly in Rio de Janeiro, the festivities were canceled because of the Covid pandemic. The parades should only take place in April.
Speaking of music, I like to hear and see the dances of Dschinghis Khan (I copied and pasted from Google, to write correctly, because for me it's very complicated to write the name of the group haha).
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Quote ( Dmitry Serebryakov @ February 28th 2022,20:54:38 ) For example, in Kyiv, a Ukrainian air defense missile hit a 22-storey building. Because it’s difficult to shoot from a populated area with skyscrapers at aviation, and it’s scary to go into the field or to the outskirts, a response will immediately arrive there.
Guess who they blamed for hitting the house themselves?
Lies and lies around full.
Wow, that's a new one.. RT News tell you that? 😅
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Quote ( Dmitry Serebryakov @ February 28th 2022,23:27:05 ) Friends, I am not a villain, and in general I am not an adherent of Putin's decisions. It's just that the situation in the Donbas was reflected in what I experienced as a child.
I believe you are not a villain; not you, not the other Russians and neither the Ukrainians.
Presenting different worldviews is part of the dialogue. This is how free thinking is built.
I remember hearing about the conflict in Chechnya on TV and in school, and I'm sorry for what I went through as a child.
And today, I am sad and worried about the crisis that both nations are going through, especially Ukraine. Many families separated and destroyed. Young soldiers dying on both sides, defending their governments and their homelands.
Once again, I want the conflicts in the region to end soon.
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