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Thema: Russia has attacked Ukraine! |
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,13:09:08 ) Вот телеграм-канал на русском, где публикуют все опровержения
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,13:09:08 ) I can't give you links to English-language resources with these refutations because there are none. Not because we exposed them, but because they are not published.
Here is a telegram channel in Russian, where they publish all the refutations.
This is one of the most miserable resources that I have seen. Evaluate the level of argumentation:
"fake: Russian military blocks humanitarian corridors
true: Ukrainian nationalists are blocking the corridors. The representative of Russia told us about this"
Well, who is it intended for? for poorly educated people with a lack of critical thinking and ignorance of how the argument is striated. It is on such that the Putin regime rests
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,13:09:08 ) Against the army and neo-Nazis. Russian soldiers do not touch civilians. Although you certainly won't believe it. But the official position of the Ministry of Defense is exactly this - we are not at war with the people of Ukraine.
dear participants of the forum, it costs me a lot of effort not to break loose and not say too much here. Please, show this person that it is the civilian population of cities that has been suffering first of all for the past few days.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,13:09:08 ) Against the army and neo-Nazis. Russian soldiers do not touch civilians. Although you certainly won't believe it. But the official position of the Ministry of Defense is exactly this - we are not at war with the people of Ukraine.
Ah, I see. Obviously the Russian soldiers are not "touching" the Ukrainian people. They simply are not close enough (yet). Then again, "touching" in English is not limited to physical contact. Whether you like it or not, the population is "touched" by the results of current proceedings in Ukraine, much like it was before in the Donbas and Crimea.
I've read up on the AZOV and Donbas regiments (and more) and indeed there are NAZI influencecs clearly visible. I cannot even start to imagine the atrocities that these groups will have committed. And for that reason I am pleased to see that the
Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,12:31:41 ) The International Criminal Court in The Hague has formally begun collecting evidence of war crimes committed in Ukraine since 2013
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,13:09:08 ) I will get tired of describing all the lies that are now pouring on you from the pages of your newspapers. And at the same time. Our television constantly refutes these fakes, but these refutations do not reach you.
Here's the root of all problems, propaganda. While you dismiss Western views and all my POV's by referring to your state controlled TV and news papers (they closed down free press that was left in Russia only recently, right). You even refer to me being indoctrinated by our TV and media. And I'll admit, I'm sure to a degree we are. We are not read in to all details and we are not informed on all aspects. However, do you really belief you are offered all factual information without limitations? If you belief that, you're certainly not where you think you are.
The whole world is isolating Russia at so many levels by now. Yet you are still convince the Russian Administration is correct without any fault? If so, I cannot take you seriously anymore. You requested the westerners in here to open their eyes. I think I've proven by now I have been reading up and learning things. My knowledge has grown size-ably over the past 8 days. How much have you actually learned new to the knowledge you already had 9 days ago?
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,13:16:03 ) So you can impose sanctions on us to make it worse for us and we won't do anything in response?
See, When you do really bad shit, like invading a Sovereign democratic neighbor, committing various war crimes in said country, you get reprimanded.
In this case, almost the whole freaking world agrees on reprimanding you, because you thoroughly deserve it.
Yet, you bullies point fingers at the world, saying "you are all wrong" and like a silly little child, throwing toys out of the pram, threatening nuclear war.
Everyone is a loser in a Nuclear war, so why don't you just do yourself a favor and get the fuck out of the sovereign country you are currently invading.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,13:16:03 ) ut when you get involved in a war of sanctions and expect them to be bad only for the Russians, do you really calculate everything or do you expect the Russians to tolerate and not respond?
The sanctions were made because you attacked Ukraine.
Of course it will be harmful for us but it will be harmful for Russia too and thats the point.
BTW your president said that he dont care about the sanctions because "we can eat potatoes, we will stand it, however" Let's see. ;)
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,13:09:08 ) Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,12:14:50 )
So this is a reason to use illegal actions against Russian people who are in Europe
Yet, it is also illegal to use today's military force by the Russian Army in Ukraine!
Against the army and neo-Nazis. Russian soldiers do not touch civilians. Although you certainly won't believe it. But the official position of the Ministry of Defense is exactly this - we are not at war with the people of Ukraine.
Russian Army bombed residential areas in Kharkiv and cities around Kiev. Civilians died. Heard that even hospitals got hit. Women are giving birth in subway stations... How can you have the gall to come in here and say civilians are not touched? You really are thick.
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I really envy your patience!!!
It's like talking to a wall.
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 3rd 2022,13:26:44 ) Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,13:09:08 )
Against the army and neo-Nazis. Russian soldiers do not touch civilians. Although you certainly won't believe it. But the official position of the Ministry of Defense is exactly this - we are not at war with the people of Ukraine.
dear participants of the forum, it costs me a lot of effort not to break loose and not say too much here. Please, show this person that it is the civilian population of cities that has been suffering first of all for the past few days.
Do you know the first point of how to control people. Keep talking like this: true - irrelevant true - true - lie - irrelevant true - lie - irrelevant true - lie - lie - irrelevant true - lie - lie - lie - lie - irrelevant true - lie - lie - lie - lie - lie - lie - lie - lie... And now you have your control and you can say what you want they will love you.
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I will print this message once a day. I hope you will treat him with understanding and support. If possible, pass it on through your channels
This is a special account of the National Bank of Ukraine to support our armed forces
https://cutt.ly/GAdGsoS
if you do not want to support the army, a huge request to support the country with money for humanitarian needs
https://cutt.ly/aAdDJEF
shortened the links, because the forum does not allow publishing the original ones, they are too long
any amount will be helpful. Even if it seems to you that 1 euro does not solve anything, it is not.
thanks to everyone for help
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,13:26:15 ) My answer > all failed due to a mix of reasons, much of them explained in the different links.
OK, let's not look into the reasons for the failure of the negotiations now, we will only confirm that there have been negotiations and they have been going on since 2015. Agree?
Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,13:26:15 ) You go on to dismiss my question on the big Red Button as well. And on the topic of homosexuality instead of reacting to my remarks, you (again) deviate and try to refocus on a different part of the world. This time redirecting attention to Dubai.
I am against pressing the red button. It will ruin everyone. But the presence of nuclear weapons and the possibility of declaring combat duty is legal. I agree?
On homosexuality - I am fundamentally against it, if this happens to close people - I will try to convince and find out the reasons. Your question is too abstract. My answer is I don't know what I will do, according to the circumstances.
Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,13:26:15 ) I think Russia, or rather the Russian administration would love to be policing the world, but the lack funding simply makes it impossible.
I do not know how familiar you are with the history of Russia, but even when we were strong in the past, we did not create colonies far from our borders. Yes, we have expanded our state, but we do not have colonial habits.
Why did you decide that Putin wants this when Russian people have never done this?
Even Alaska and California, where there were Russian settlements, are actually on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, and Alaska is almost with our border.
You attribute desires to Putin that he doesn't have. The Russian people do not have it either.
Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,13:26:15 ) What's your point here? As if this is no different from the Crimea or Donbas polls, or ... ?
Contrary to the tone of voice displayed by others in this thread, I believe I have been quite leveled answering to your statements. I have not attacked you, I have not dismissed your statements by bypassing them simply by answering to them with a question only. So again, please, as you yourself stated;
Yes, this is a reference to the Crimea. I want all events to be evaluated equally. Do I have to agree with everything and not point out some other facts from the history of other countries to which there is a different attitude?
But if you don't like my answer, that's no reason to be angry. I'm not getting personal, I'm just pointing to Wikipedia.
In a dispute, everyone can use their own arguments, and not only those arguments that are pleasant to the opponent. Agree?
Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,13:26:15 ) in short, and I repeat, if you ask me to investigate your observations and remarks, why do you not respectfully pay me the same respect?
I apologize if I missed something or misunderstood from your questions.
You can repeat the question or say it in other words.
I am ready for a respectful discussion.
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Quote ( Pavel Král @ March 3rd 2022,13:16:55 ) The difference is obvious: In democratic country it's ok to be against war and crime to agree with the violance. In Russia it's ok to be for war and crime to be against the violance. Horrible!
There are laws on demonstrations in Russia. They all know them. If people go and violate them, why are they surprised that they are being detained.
Do you have laws in your country? If you break them, the police will also catch you.
Do you want us to live in Russia according to your laws?
Or do you think that there are no laws in Russia at all? Then let's end the conversation.
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it is not good to have a war, but for it there should be two - as well as for love.
I think politics where it got its fingers, is always like that.
I wish you, the conflict to be resolved faster and to be happy and cheerful as before
both the Russians and the Ukrainians
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:42:48 ) Do you want us to live in Russia according to your laws?
Or do you think that there are no laws in Russia at all? Then let's end the conversation.
Well, who is the one forcing their laws and views on others, by invading another sovereign nation?
I think its pretty shit for the people of Russia, who despise what Putin stands for, to now be in a similar situation as the people in North Korea, with a pretty bleak future.
Both countries with a completely incompetent leader, who keeps digging a deeper hole for his country.
I really feel for those people.... But the true supporters of their "Great leader", can go f... themselves along with their Deity.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) OK, let's not look into the reasons for the failure of the negotiations now, we will only confirm that there have been negotiations and they have been going on since 2015. Agree?
In negotiations and treaties a minimum of two parties will have to come to an agreement. Once such an agreement is there, all parties within are to do their utmost to uphold the treaty. From my POV, both parties are partially to blame for these particular treaties to fall apart. That's not dodging the talks, the agreements and the outcome, it's an observation.
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) I am against pressing the red button. It will ruin everyone.
Thanks! This does help a lot. At least we got that out of the way. I wouldn't have expected anything less, as you say, it would ruin everyone.
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) But the presence of nuclear weapons and the possibility of declaring combat duty is legal.
My POV > Sadly this technology is known to human kind. Hence there will always be someone that will be working on this. However, since the effects of such a weapon are well known these days, these act as a deterrence from attacks. The only problem with this is that one day quite possibly someone will press that button, when they feel cornered :(
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) On homosexuality - I am fundamentally against it, if this happens to close people - I will try to convince and find out the reasons.
I'm not asking you to be pro homosexuality, for me it's a live-ans-let-live topic. Though you can try to convince people, you won't be able to. It would be the equivalent of a homosexual asking you why you like women (assuming you do)? It's not a rational thing, it's about inner feelings. Much like I'm unable to convince you on my views of the current conflict and vice versa.
With reference to
Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,11:10:10 ) If you (will) have kids, this might happen to you too. If so, hypothetically, what would you do? Would you report them to the authorities, would you punish them yourself (please include your for what reason), will you abandon them, or will you keep on loving them?!
you answer
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) Your question is too abstract. My answer is I don't know what I will do, according to the circumstances.
The question is only abstract if you do not have children of your own. And essentially, it doesn't even need a direct answer, the purpose of this example is to think about your POV on homosexuality. It's all easy to place when it's out there, most of the time things change when the same things are happening at your owwn kitchen table.
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) I do not know how familiar you are with the history of Russia
I admit, I know a lot more now compared to 9 days ago. As stated, I've been doing my part of reading up and investigating.
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) we did not create colonies far from our borders. Yes, we have expanded our state, but we do not have colonial habits.
For one, there's was no need given the vastness of the lands available towards and beyond the Ural. Secondly, the limited access to ice free water could have been an extra reason to not go down this path. The European colonizing countries needed resources not available in Europe.
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) Even Alaska and California, where there were Russian settlements, are actually on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, and Alaska is almost with our border.
It's recorded that n 1732 the Russians or people working in Russian service were the first to get to Alaska (bypassing the existence of native folks though). Later on, under rule of Tsar Alexander II in 1867, Alaska was sold to the US for $7.2 million.
More info > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska .
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) Yes, this is a reference to the Crimea. I want all events to be evaluated equally. Do I have to agree with everything and not point out some other facts from the history of other countries to which there is a different attitude?
I never said, and never will require you in any way to agree with anything you think differently of. Again, don't impose your line of thinking on me. The problem I have with your way of communicating and addressing what is being posted, is that (most of the times) you do not provide an answer. Instead your deviating and re-focussing. Yet you do expect me (and others) to provide answers to your questions posted.
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) You attribute desires to Putin that he doesn't have. The Russian people do not have it either.
I'll take this, it was uncalled for maybe, but the structure and the target for such a comment is not that different from some of the statements you made towards the western world. Think about it, will you?
So we end up with this
Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,13:26:15 ) Contrary to the tone of voice displayed by others in this thread, I believe I have been quite leveled answering to your statements. I have not attacked you, I have not dismissed your statements by bypassing them simply by answering to them with a question only. So again, please, as you yourself stated; Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,13:26:15 ) And my reply; Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,13:26:15 ) in short, and I repeat, if you ask me to investigate your observations and remarks, why do you not respectfully pay me the same respect? Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,11:59:25 ) I'm fully expecting this to go both ways, and will have no less!
and your comment to this
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) But if you don't like my answer, that's no reason to be angry.
This is quite rich coming from you, with all due respect, and it might just have been your most weakest answer in this thread. From my POV this is so weak that I won't even answer to this. I truly expected better from you ...
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) In a dispute, everyone can use their own arguments, and not only those arguments that are pleasant to the opponent. Agree?
This is what we've been doing all the time. However, something has changed. Before your tone was aggressive and taunting (from my POV more so than any of my posts), this now however indicates you are on the defensive. However, I do agree!
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:33:12 ) I apologize if I missed something or misunderstood from your questions.
You can repeat the question or say it in other words.
I am ready for a respectful discussion.
There's no need for apologies here, sometimes it easy to miss. Just take a mental note of it and try to improve on it. Just like you do not like having some of your statements overlooked, I dislike that too. And when you "demand" answers to your questions, I have the right to do the same. Agreed?
Maybe I have been too forceful on this, but from my POV it was looking like a trend. However, I will not repeat what I stated before. Like you I've been on here most of the day already going back and forth. You are quite capable finding the different messages and quoting parts of them, I'll leave that up to you. However, if in the rest of this thread pre-mentioned topics come up again, I might answer to it again too. By then you might be able to check my various answers on consistency. Agreed?
Respect goes both ways, despite our differences. When respect is paid, respect will be given in return. I have not interest in battling things out, but I will discuss things that are incorrect from my POV, much like you do the same. Hence, when you ask people to answer to your questions, I simply expect you to live up to your own standards as well. Agreed?
I presume you have not found the time yet to go through the different video's I linked for you to see what the news states here in the Netherlands? I can only hope you'll find the time and will at some point ...
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,14:42:48 ) Quote ( Pavel Král @ March 3rd 2022,13:16:55 )
The difference is obvious: In democratic country it's ok to be against war and crime to agree with the violance. In Russia it's ok to be for war and crime to be against the violance. Horrible!
There are laws on demonstrations in Russia. They all know them. If people go and violate them, why are they surprised that they are being detained.
Do you have laws in your country? If you break them, the police will also catch you.
Do you want us to live in Russia according to your laws?
Or do you think that there are no laws in Russia at all? Then let's end the conversation.
Demonstation laws dont enter into it. I just say that Im happy to live in a country where I can express my opinion freely. What a life compared to the times we've been under soviet pressure. You, as russian, can't imagine the feeling. Poor you!
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Territories, identities, borders, culprits, etc. Honestly, I'm sick of this whole pile of shit! We are in 2022 and we continue to blindly believe political leaders whose sole purpose is to distract their people from a terrible management, both economic and political. Keep doing it, keep feeding the figures that with so much pride, ego and arrogance decide to destroy other countries, whether for capitalist or identity purposes, it's all the same shit.
What would become of the Spaniards if, suddenly, all of Latin America decided to wage a war of lost identities against Spain!!! Why can't we celebrate the blending of cultures, and what each civilization has brought to the other? Why can't we get to a damn point in history where we all leave behind the grudges, rivalries and hatred of our past peoples, where we had nothing to do with it.
In the 21st century and in the face of unstoppable globalization, the only thing left for us is to accept that the world belongs to everyone! Think humanely before becoming one of the herd, please.
I am very sorry for everything that is happening in Ukraine, I understand the seriousness of the situation given that is a complex conflict and Russia has a massive nuclear arsenal but let's not forget that this happens EVERY year, in other parts of the world, and personally, every useless death in the name of lost causes hurt me.
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 3rd 2022,13:26:44 ) Evaluate the level of argumentation:
Have you seen photos where Ukrainian tanks and artillery are hiding in residential buildings or is this also propaganda?
While I watched these videos.
The first video. Yes, there are a lot of troops.
Now try to think independently. If we have such superiority in weapons, equipment and soldiers, why don't we attack? Because of the fact that we meet resistance?
That is, we do not have such weapons to use carpet bombing and planes and missiles to clean up any enemy groups? We can, but we want to save as many people's lives and homes as possible.
In other videos, you can notice that only one or two houses were destroyed. There are whole residential buildings nearby. Aren't you surprised or don't you notice?
In Kharkov. The building of the regional administration was hit once early in the morning. Because it was announced that the headquarters of the Ukrainian army was being created there, that is, a military facility.
If you are independent, then look - how many strikes were on the building? Were there any strikes on the surrounding houses? One pinpoint strike on a building that was marked as a military facility.
Kiev. The TV tower. Yes, there was one pinpoint strike to destroy the connection. Ukraine itself said that no one was killed. I will say more - TV towers in Kharkiv and Lisichansk were also destroyed. This is a tactic of war.
I don't know about the destruction of the institute, I haven't seen it on the news yet.
Video from Kherson with a woman with flags.
As I understand it, this is evidence that a rally of thousands in Kherson against Russian troops?
Or are Russian troops harshly suppressing peaceful protesters?
Zhytomyr. I looked at Ukrainian websites. Here is a literal quote: "The occupiers decided to strike at the base of paratroopers from the 95th Separate airborne assault Brigade in Zhytomyr, but residential buildings caught fire from a missile strike." This is fighting.
The latest video on Borodyanka. Don't you think that the screensaver of this video is different from the video itself? And the destroyed house on the screensaver is from a completely different place?
I have seen more serious destruction of Ukrainian cities, maybe I will show you later. Most likely there was serious resistance.
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Quote ( Pavel Král @ March 3rd 2022,15:36:43 ) Demonstation laws dont enter into it. I just say that Im happy to live in a country where I can express my opinion freely. What a life compared to the times we've been under soviet pressure. You, as russian, can't imagine the feeling. Poor you!
I hope you don't want to free me from my poor fate?
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,15:29:18 ) The question is only abstract if you do not have children of your own. And essentially, it doesn't even need a direct answer, the purpose of this example is to think about your POV on homosexuality. It's all easy to place when it's out there, most of the time things change when the same things are happening at your owwn kitchen table.
Once again, my opinion is that I want the discussion of homosexuality to be at the kitchen table or between two people.
I am against it being shown and discussed at school, on the street, on television, in movies. More precisely, in any places where children can see it.
I don't want my kids to see it and want to try it. If they choose it themselves when they are adults, it is their choice.
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 3rd 2022,15:29:18 ) I presume you have not found the time yet to go through the different video's I linked for you to see what the news states here in the Netherlands? I can only hope you'll find the time and will at some point ...
Yes, I haven't had time to watch all the videos yet. From the first part about some I know and have seen, some I have not seen, but I know. I searched for Zhytomyr on Google, because I didn't see it.
If you want to receive comments from me on each video, send them to my personal account or email. It is very difficult to search for past messages here.
I'll try to answer tomorrow, the time is over for today.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,15:56:51 ) Quote ( Pavel Král @ March 3rd 2022,15:36:43 )
Demonstation laws dont enter into it. I just say that Im happy to live in a country where I can express my opinion freely. What a life compared to the times we've been under soviet pressure. You, as russian, can't imagine the feeling. Poor you!
I hope you don't want to free me from my poor fate?
Be sure I won't. If you dont want it you don't deserve it. Your opinion, your pity.
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I'm NOT running also race 16 - Sochi GP (Russian Federation). The administrators don't cancel or change this race. Sorry......
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,15:53:41 ) Have you seen photos where Ukrainian tanks and artillery are hiding in residential buildings or is this also propaganda?
I have, and am very sad about the consequences in human lives and destruction of propertity, at times even historical property.
Other than that, the listed videos were just a selection to show you what we get on the news over here, as you asked or referred to several times. Creating this list was without valuing them.
I'll answer to this one though
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,15:53:41 ) Video from Kherson with a woman with flags.
As I understand it, this is evidence that a rally of thousands in Kherson against Russian troops?
Or are Russian troops harshly suppressing peaceful protesters?
This clips states that (at that moment in time) a total of 6500 protesters had been arrested since the war in Ukraine started. Yelena Ospina is said to have survived the siege on Leningrad in WWII.
And this
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,15:53:41 ) The latest video on Borodyanka. Don't you think that the screensaver of this video is different from the video itself? And the destroyed house on the screensaver is from a completely different place?
The picture showing at the start of the video you mean? Besides the overal atmosphere based on colour, timing of day etc. it could fit. But that's besides the point as the video itself has shows a lot of destruction throughout.
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,15:53:41 ) I have seen more serious destruction of Ukrainian cities, maybe I will show you later. Most likely there was serious resistance.
I'm not really keen to see the actual horrors of war. I've seen burned Russian soldier corpses though. Or plenty of people face down in the streets, the grass, or on bridges. And the main issue would still persist, I won't be able to read the Cyrillic writing nor understand the commentary.
And indeed, resistance is reported to be very vigilant. So much even that it is thought that it is surprising the Russian forces. Part of that possibly also lies in the fact that (reportedly) a good number of Russian forces are very reluctant to use aggressive force against the population.
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,15:53:41 ) Now try to think independently.
Again? Haven't I shown that in abundance yet? The fact that my views differ from yours, is not equal to me not thinking freely. It's like me asking you the same; please think freely Dmitry ... It's a dismissal of the person you partner with in this discussion. It's not helping, is it?
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,15:53:41 ) If we have such superiority in weapons, equipment and soldiers, why don't we attack? Because of the fact that we meet resistance? That is, we do not have such weapons to use carpet bombing and planes and missiles to clean up any enemy groups? We can, but we want to save as many people's lives and homes as possible.
First, the Russian military does have such equipment and has been using it on Ukraine, it's forces AND it's population. It also includes the use of the vacuum or thermobaric bomb being used on Ukraine, it's forces AND it's population.
. The Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM) is an international treaty that prohibits all use, transfer, production, and stockpiling of cluster bombs. More info > https://www.clusterconvention.org/ .
- There are no international laws specifically banning the use of thermobaric bombs, but if a country uses them to target civilian populations in built-up areas, schools or hospitals, then it could be convicted of a war crime under the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907.
What I find sadly interesting that before you were, rightfully though, against the atrocities don upon the Donbas population in which so many suffered and lost their lives. However, when it is about the war in Ukraine, you state
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,15:53:41 ) This is a tactic of war. Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,15:53:41 ) This is fighting.
Targeting military sites, and specifically not targeting civilians has been one of the claims both the Putin administration and you were advocating. Now for whatever reason these civilians targets are hit, you try to easily dismiss it?! I fully understand the idea behind collateral damage, and I would expect this to happen in any war (I presume we all do). However, in that is where part of the injustice is as it is one of the main reasons referencing the Donbas, for starting this war at all!
The Russian military now indeed facing fierce resistance, and the big worry now over here is that the tactics will be changed. The fear is that Kiev will be besieged, and shelled mercilessly as long as it takes until Kiev and the Ukraine will surrender ... This is a nightmare scenario for all, and something that you too cannot dismiss as "that's fighting". When you do however, you shouldn't be so ademend about the water supply to Crimea being cut of after it was illegally annexed by Russia ...
What I'm trying to get across, things work both ways. If and when claiming this and that is illegal, unjustified and an atrocity, one cannot do the same in return without voiding your previous claims ...
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 3rd 2022,16:06:51 ) If they choose it themselves when they are adults, it is their choice.
I hope you will as that would be the only way to see each other long term ...
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Quote ( Victor Kamennov @ March 3rd 2022,10:38:29 ) Dear Ukrainians, forgive us if it is possible. This historical mistake of one crazed fascist will cost our peoples dearly. I am ashamed, as a Russian, that civilians are dying and cities are being destroyed because of the rabid fascists. Once we lived in the same country and were brothers to each other. We are one family, no adequate Russian supports this fratricide. I really hope and expect that all the fascists who arranged this will be convicted and sentenced to a painful death...
Thank you for this post.
This proves that there are good people in Russia.
I hope that someday you will change this beautiful country and there will be no place for dictators like Putin and his little dogs who are so active in this forum.
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Putin is a dictator - Stalin 2. It is enough for him to torture his own people - he wants to enslave other nations.
Europe - unite against the dictator!
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