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Russia is preparing the ground for the use of chemical weapons in Ukraine. And they will most likely "legalize" its use in Vladimir Putin's favorite way - killing their own citizens or the military under the flag of Ukraine and further accusing Kyiv of this. This was stated by White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki on Twitter.
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Those who argue at the level of "this is Putin's propaganda" may not read further.
About Russia's retaliatory sanctions for unfriendly countries.
1. The government is finishing work on a package of counter-retaliatory strikes against the economy of unfriendly countries that have entered into a hybrid war on the side of the United States, the EU and Britain. According to preliminary calculations, one-time damage for them will amount to at least a trillion dollars, and in the medium term — up to five trillion direct and indirect losses. The growth rate of GDP in the EU may fall by 2, 2.5% per annum, the level of consumption and income of the population - by 15-20%, because the fuel and energy balance will be unbalanced, the supply of a number of goods and products on the market, the production of which depends on Russian supplies, will decrease the income of corporations that have left the Russian market.
In the event of a complete cessation of sales of petroleum products in the United States, the crisis phenomena will aggravate the covid consequences on the consumer and commodity markets. The extremely important indicator for social stability of the cost of gasoline-95 will increase to $ 7 per gallon, and the critical load on the power grid due to limited supplies from nuclear power plants will lead to energy lockouts and problems in technological chains.
2. In Russia's arsenal, in addition to "energy weapons", there are a number of export goods and products, the embargo on the sale of which is extremely sensitive for the economies of sanctioning countries: metals and products made from them; mineral fertilizers and high-tech chemical products; rare earth and artificial sapphires and diamonds used in microelectronics and weapons production; energy equipment; high-precision CNC machines, etc. Point restrictions, depending on the degree of involvement of a country in hybrid aggression, will make it possible to lift or circumvent sanctions on the most popular goods and products in Russia — microelectronics, certain types of technological equipment, seed and genetic materials for the agricultural industry.
3. The government's actions are not limited to operational measures to maintain anti-sanctions stability in the economy. A strategic cooperation plan is being formed with more than forty partner countries under the EAEU, the Shanghai Agreement and the BRICS with a population of more than 50% and a level of real aggregate GDP cleared of the cost of speculative banking capital of at least 45% of the world level. The hybrid aggression of the United States, which is accompanied by threats against the PRC and other countries that have not joined the sanctions, has given a sharp impetus to the long-running integration of states that are more or less part of the aforementioned international communities. Negotiations have been intensified in order to create an alternative to Bretton Woods, a closed and independent financial system from the dollar and the Fed, by introducing a single monetary unit for the participating countries (a variant of the name rouen - from the ruble, rupee and yuan). Opportunities are being realized to quickly switch to bilateral and multilateral settlements in national currencies, clearing, crypto, offsets.
4. The reserves of natural resources in Russia and China allow us to provide 100% of the needs of advanced civilizational development. The same indicator for the USA and Europe does not exceed 60%-65%, which puts them in a deliberately vulnerable and subordinate position if the existing discriminatory financial system collapses.
5. Thus, Russia, having launched a special operation in Ukraine with the task of protecting itself from NATO threats and returning Ukraine to the status of a friendly and denazified neutral state, marked the beginning of a radical reformatting of the world order existing under the global dictate of the United States according to the modernized colonial principle - "oil in exchange for Coca-Cola".
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Quote ( Serhiy Cherkasov @ March 10th 2022,09:21:02 ) Jen Psaki on Twitter. :D
very reputable source...
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Quote ( Dmitry Shevel @ March 10th 2022,08:49:17 ) what are you saying, I was in Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk after 2010, most of the people there spoke Russian (maybe I came across such). of course, they all knew Ukrainian, but for some reason they spoke Russian (which was more comfortable), now everything is clearly different.
Because there was a myth in society (there was a myth) that Russian is more prestigious, and Ukrainian is rural.
Now, in 2022, even those who have not yet fully mastered the Ukrainian language are switching to Ukrainian, so as not to identify themselves with Russia.
Here is a short list of russification of Ukraine in the 20th century.
1918 - After capturing Kyiv, the Moscow-Bolshevik invaders shot dead 5,000 people who spoke Ukrainian, wore Ukrainian national clothes or had a portrait of Taras Shevchenko hanging in their house.
1919 - Most White Guard newspapers in southern Russia "banned the existence" of Ukraine.
1922 - Proclamation of part of the leadership of the "theory" of the struggle in Ukraine of two cultures - urban (Muscovite) and peasant (Ukrainian), in which the former must win.
1926 - Stalin's letter to Comrade Kaganovich and other members with a sanction to fight against the "national bias", the beginning of the persecution of "Ukrainization".
1933 - Stalin's telegram on the cessation of "Ukrainization" and the destruction of most Ukrainian writers. The letter "Ґ"has been removed from the Ukrainian spelling.
1938 - Resolution "On the compulsory study of the Russian language in schools of national republics and regions", the corresponding resolution.
1947 - Operation Vistula; resettlement of some Ukrainians from ethnic Ukrainian lands "scatter" among Poles in Western Poland to accelerate their polarization.
1958 - consolidation in Art. 20 Fundamentals of the Legislation of the USSR and the Union Republics on public education provisions on the free choice of language of instruction; study of all languages, except Russian, at the request of parents of students.
1961 - The XXII Congress of the CPSU Central Committee proclaims the policy of "merging nations", which, in essence, meant the total Russification of the peoples of the USSR.
1962 - repression against defenders of the Ukrainian language.
1970 - Order to write dissertations exclusively in Russian.
1972 - a ban by party bodies to celebrate the anniversary of the Kotlyarevsky Museum in Poltava.
1973 - a ban on celebrating the anniversary of I. Kotlyarevsky's work "Aeneid".
1974 - Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU "On preparations for the 50th anniversary of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics", which for the first time proclaims the creation of a "new historical community - the Soviet people", the official course of denationalization.
1978 - Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On measures to further improve the study and teaching of the Russian language in the union republics" ("Brezhnev Circular").
1978 - Oleksa Hirnyk (from Kalush) burns himself on Chernecha (Tarasova) Hill in Kaniv to protest against the Russification of Ukraine.
1983 - Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On Additional Measures to Improve the Study of the Russian Language in Secondary Schools and Other Educational Institutions of the Union Republics" ("Andropovsky Decree"); the directive of the board of the Ministry of Education of the Ukrainian SSR "On additional measures to improve the study of the Russian language in secondary schools, pedagogical educational institutions, preschool and out-of-school institutions of the republic", aimed at strengthening Moscow.
1984 - the beginning in the USSR of payments of the salary increased by 15% to teachers of Russian in comparison with teachers of language of Ukrainian.
1984 - Order of the Ministry of Culture of the USSR on the translation of records in all museums of the Soviet Union in Russian.
1989 - Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU on "legislative consolidation of the Russian language as the national language."
1990 - Adoption by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of the Law on the Languages of the Peoples of the USSR, which gave Russian the status of official
And this is only from 1918 to 1990 and only the main milestones. Prior to this, tsarist Russia had issued dozens of circulars in which printing, teaching, and the Ukrainian language itself were prohibited.
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Quote ( Serhiy Cherkasov @ March 10th 2022,09:21:02 ) Russia is preparing the ground for the use of chemical weapons in Ukraine. And they will most likely "legalize" its use in Vladimir Putin's favorite way - killing their own citizens or the military under the flag of Ukraine and further accusing Kyiv of this. This was stated by White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki on Twitter.
I remember well about the staging of the "White Helmets" in Syria about the use of chemical weapons. Then Russian journalists found the boy who was filmed in this film. However, the boy was not shown anywhere else in the Western media, right?
It makes no sense for Russia to increase the number of civilian casualties.
But the Ukrainian Nazi government needs it very much to increase sanctions, and urgently. in
Who else can think - will be able to figure out in whose interests to make a terrible terrorist act.
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Quote ( Dmitry Shevel @ March 10th 2022,09:34:17 ) Quote ( Serhiy Cherkasov @ March 10th 2022,09:21:02 )
Jen Psaki on Twitter. :D
Probably two weeks ago, the same reaction was and to Psaki's tweet about russia preparing an attack on my country.
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 10th 2022,09:35:09 ) And this is only from 1918 to 1990
That's not a bad word. in
General, the most interesting thing with Russification began after 1991, which should be kept silent. in
Can you tell how many Ukrainians have come to work in Russia? What language do they speak here?
How many illiterates were there in Ukraine before 1918?
How many literate people who speak Ukrainian were there in 1991?
Why did Russia have to teach so many people the literacy of the Ukrainian language if it is not needed to work in Russia?
Of course, you can call teaching Russian to the residents of Ukraine aggression, repression and genocide.
It can also be called aggression that the Soviet regime raised peasant Ukraine to an industrial country.
I didn't have to teach you Russian to use Ukrainians only in low jobs.
That's when you would understand what genocide is. About the same thing that Hitler wanted to do to you.
The Soviet Union trained everyone (!!!) the Russian language, so that in all republics there are not only cattle breeders, but also engineers, scientists, qualified personnel in all areas.
In your Ukarina, your head was turned over.
With your independence, you have fallen to the very bottom of Europe.
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you contradict yourself in this short message and you don’t even notice it
and regarding the "bottom", as I already wrote that Ukraine for several years bypassed the Russian Federation in terms of the minimum wage, in 2021 it caught up (almost) in terms of the average, and in 2022 - for the first time, the average salary in the Russian Federation is lower than in Ukraine and Moldova.
And all this without petrodollars and gas, and rare minerals.
All this time, since 2000, Russia has been building a war, and we are trying to create conditions in which we will live comfortably.
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Russian Airforce are now resorting to targeting Hospitals, with the latest being a Maternity Hospital. What kind of animals would ever think of murdering pregnant women, and new born babies.
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All Russia in one sentence:
"We do not plan to attack other countries, we did not attack Ukraine either," Lavrov said after a meeting in Turkey
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Quote ( Serhiy Cherkasov @ March 10th 2022,09:21:02 ) Russia is preparing the ground for the use of chemical weapons in Ukraine. And they will most likely "legalize" its use in Vladimir Putin's favorite way - killing their own citizens or the military under the flag of Ukraine and further accusing Kyiv of this. This was stated by White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki on Twitter.
So you try to say that Russia and Putin are so stupid that use those thing to give NATO some excuse to intervene? WOW that is naive... To me it shows more: "sacrifice few to save many" stile by neo-nazi groups.
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Quote ( Adrian Woods @ March 10th 2022,11:10:38 )
Russian Airforce are now resorting to targeting Hospitals, with the latest being a Maternity Hospital. What kind of animals would ever think of murdering pregnant women, and new born babies. who we have to be to blindly believe that Russian aircraft are bombing such facilities, in which mothers with newborns are actually located? You can see for yourself that there is a war going on. Do you expect the Ukrainian army to just wait for the Russian one on an open battlefield? Naturally, they will take cover wherever possible. Guys, turn on your head and filter your brain. I can read about Russian propaganda all the time. This word is already everywhere, it makes me sick. But you guys are not better than Russians in this cases. Look for cause and effect relationships and think with your own head
I know that now there will be news all the time that Russia is bombing the entire civilian population - on the one hand
The United States used Ukraine for experiments to destroy specific races - on the other hand.
If you keep listening to all these leaders, you will just go crazy.
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,13:03:46 ) You can see for yourself that there is a war going on
Please remember friend that there is no war - it's an invasion.
The Ukranian people did not attack Russia. They are defending their land.
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Quote ( Mark Iverson @ March 10th 2022,14:54:49 ) Please remember friend that there is no war - it's an invasion. I tell to people who call it a war. Everyone calls it a war, including me.
And I don't blame Ukrainian people here, you didn't catch my point. Any other people would do the same if they were in their place. But it's not a point to trust any bad news about everything around. No one is interested to kill innocent people. Especially newborns. Especially knowing in advance that everything will be on TV. People believe in everything, it has become so easy to manipulate.
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 10th 2022,11:31:33 ) All Russia in one sentence:
"We do not plan to attack other countries, we did not attack Ukraine either," Lavrov said after a meeting in Turkey
After that, who can say that Lavrov isn't a shameless liar?
Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,13:03:46 ) we have to be to blindly believe that Russian aircraft are bombing such facilities, in which mothers with newborns are actually located? No! We have to see, so that we could watch mothers and newborns leaving the maternity. Here is an idea, stop believing everything that Russia propaganda says and start believing in what you see. Or do you also believe that Russia did not attack Ukraine?
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,13:03:46 ) who we have to be to blindly believe that Russian aircraft are bombing such facilities, in which mothers with newborns are actually located? You can see for yourself that there is a war going on
We don't blindly believe, the pictures & reports speak for themselves.
It seems as Putin's plan has gone off the rails, the military have become more desperate and have moved from a more surgical approach to a similar approach to which both sides took in ww2 which is destroy the morale of the civilians by bombing them
Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,13:03:46 ) Do you expect the Ukrainian army to just wait for the Russian one on an open battlefield? Naturally, they will take cover wherever possible.
I am not sure what you are trying to say here bar that you are excusing the bombing of a maternity hospital , Regardless of if there were troops in the location even a basic level of rules of engagement or decency would of put it off limits for bombing/shelling due to the civilians on the location
There have been multiple reports/proven attacks on the press by Russian troops so why not Ukrainian civilians?
We are entering quite an even more dangerous phase IMO, where Putin will be putting pressure on the military to achieve his goals and stop your military looking weak.
At this point both Putin and your military are a laughing stock in most of the world and that is the dangerous bit because Putin will be thinking about his own skin, as if he is proven to have poor and weak leadership his position will be under threat
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Quote ( Peter Willmore @ March 10th 2022,16:56:31 ) We don't blindly believe, the pictures & reports speak for themselves. yes, but what pictures? No one video of victims. Only two pictures. One pregnant women and one killed, which has the same face and the same scars? Anything else?
Quote ( Paulo Neves @ March 10th 2022,16:23:32 ) After that, who can say that Lavrov isn't a shameless liar?
If someone said that ANY politic isn't a liar, this man is a liar
Quote ( Paulo Neves @ March 10th 2022,16:23:32 ) No! We have to see, so that we could watch mothers and newborns leaving the maternity too easy to manipulate and you even didn't try to notice it
Quote ( Paulo Neves @ March 10th 2022,16:23:32 ) stop believing everything that Russia propaganda says and start believing in what you see :D
I'm just talking with the wall :
Quote ( Paulo Neves @ March 10th 2022,16:23:32 ) Or do you also believe that Russia did not attack Ukraine? yeah, yeah. That's exactly what I told about all the time. I forgot to say that we all came from the moon.
Guys, you are definitely not interested in at least some point of view that is alternative to your news. You accuse us of following propaganda, while you yourself follow even more strongly. This is ridiculous.
Be smarter.
Quote ( Peter Willmore @ March 10th 2022,16:56:31 ) We are entering quite an even more dangerous phase IMO, where Putin will be putting pressure on the military to achieve his goals and stop your military looking weak. this will be happen. Ukrainian army will act very dirty, it's their the only chance to survive. Russian army will start to do the same from one point because of the same reason. Sadly, it's unavoidable.
I just hope that Ukrainian and Russian government will get an agreement of stopping the war, but, knowing this stubborns from the both side, I don't believe that it can be reached soon, especially with the help from the west.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 10th 2022,09:54:09 ) Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 10th 2022,09:35:09 )
And this is only from 1918 to 1990
That's not a bad word. in
General, the most interesting thing with Russification began after 1991, which should be kept silent. in
Can you tell how many Ukrainians have come to work in Russia? What language do they speak here?
How many illiterates were there in Ukraine before 1918?
How many literate people who speak Ukrainian were there in 1991?
Why did Russia have to teach so many people the literacy of the Ukrainian language if it is not needed to work in Russia?
Of course, you can call teaching Russian to the residents of Ukraine aggression, repression and genocide.
It can also be called aggression that the Soviet regime raised peasant Ukraine to an industrial country.
I didn't have to teach you Russian to use Ukrainians only in low jobs.
That's when you would understand what genocide is. About the same thing that Hitler wanted to do to you.
The Soviet Union trained everyone (!!!) the Russian language, so that in all republics there are not only cattle breeders, but also engineers, scientists, qualified personnel in all areas.
In your Ukarina, your head was turned over.
With your independence, you have fallen to the very bottom of Europe.
So you're saying that Ukrainians don't need their language because many of them work in Russia and need Russian there? So you're telling us that Ukrainian is useless? You speak like a fascist!
By the way, if you have already encountered illiteracy, also tell me what the proportion of illiterate Russians was after WWI.
And if someone wants to decide for themselves and be free, they are often better hungry than occupied. It's called patriotism, you know that?
Stop talking like a fool, "Russia has educated you, fed you, and will you repay him like that?" At what price?! Tell me. If Russia were invaded and occupied by Mongolia or China, the Aces would have looked at it differently.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 9th 2022,17:55:18 ) Quote ( Piotr Noworyta @ March 9th 2022,17:41:19 )
I could continue and continue, but I'll stop here.
Thanks for the detailed answer.
I understand you.
There was a lot of things between Russians and Poles in their history, too. Things always happen between neighbors. I have Polish blood in me. My great-grandfather was from Poland.
And if I meet a Pole somewhere, then I will discuss with him only our common mutual good deeds.
In principle, I will behave like this with anyone.
But now several tens of thousands of Ukrainians will come to Poland.
What will you do if, as in Kiev, they parade with portraits of Bandera?
I'm not saying that they will do it in May, but what will be your reaction?
Dmitry, you probably are unaware of an important fact. We had already 2 millions of Ukrainian refugees and immigrants in Poland before the current hot escalation of the Putin's war started.
You know why? Mainly because of the hybrid war, that Russia is leading in Ukraine since 2014, so many people came here.
And yes, some Ukrainians (btw. particularly in Western Ukraine, less affected by your attacks) are gloryfying UPA, OUN, and other Ukrainian nationalist mass murderers of WWII, who had on their hands bloods of thousands of Poles, Russians, Jews, other smaller minorities, and... their own compatriots (there have been also righteous Ukrainians, often also from mixed families, who tried to warn the potential victims, of that UPA is coming.
And now Ukrainian refugees thanks to your army and your state leaders are coming in hundreds thousands to Poland, Moldova, Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia, having lost homes, and safety for them and their children.
If you so really care about Poland being affected by the stream of refugees - thank you - protest against the Putin's invasion - because it is the real source of it.
Btw., as I wrote already before in this thread - the majority of the Ukrainian refugees (there are also many other coming - foreign students, foreign workers, and probably also rests of the Lukashenka's human weapon that he was pushing to attack borders of Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland) are Russian-speaking at home. They often felt ties with Russian culture, language, and even nation. Your invasion is actually making them feel more Ukrainian than before...
That will be one of effects of what your politicians and your army is doing... So exactly opposite to declared aims that Putin's propaganda is claiming to justify the "special militar operation" in that you are loosing not only hundreds of young soldiers, weapons, money, but also ties with people of your own blood who live outside of Russia. Russian speaking citizens of Estonia, Latvia, Kazakhstan, Moldova are observing too, believe me, and at least some of them are with no doubt understanding how similar people in Ukraine have been used by Russian politics, and then attacked...
I repeat what I wrote here already: you should come to Warsaw, and listen to the Russian speaking refugees from Ukraine. You declared you were a patriot. If you are really a patriot, not a chauvinist, you would feel shame for what is Russian Federation politicians and army doing, if you would hear those poor people forced to flee from homes destroyed by soldiers speaking the same language...
You need to know one - your peacemakers - mirotvorcy - in tanks are able to leave there only one type of peace: the one characteristic for cemetaries...
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,13:03:46 ) who we have to be to blindly believe that Russian aircraft are bombing such facilities, in which mothers with newborns are actually located? You can see for yourself that there is a war going on. Do you expect the Ukrainian army to just wait for the Russian one on an open battlefield? Naturally, they will take cover wherever possible. Guys, turn on your head and filter your brain. I can read about Russian propaganda all the time. This word is already everywhere, it makes me sick. But you guys are not better than Russians in this cases. Look for cause and effect relationships and think with your own head
I know that now there will be news all the time that Russia is bombing the entire civilian population - on the one hand
The United States used Ukraine for experiments to destroy specific races - on the other hand.
If you keep listening to all these leaders, you will just go crazy.
I'm more annoyed that the bombing of the maternity hospital is excused by the Russians because the Nazis were hidden there.
I don't know if I can believe it, but even if it were true, in my eyes it is absolutely no excuse. They are soldiers, they are trained and they should be able to solve the whole thing other than throwing bombs.
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,17:18:08 ) yes, but what pictures? No one video of victims. Only two pictures. One pregnant women and one killed, which has the same face and the same scars? Anything else?
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-mariupol-hosital-bombed-russ...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-claim-that-...
Just a few, the first website I don't know well, the video in it shows the same building as the Reuters one which is a source I would trust
that's in terms of the hospital bombing, I was talking more generally about the pictures/reports of the happenings in the war so far.
I also notice you ignored my comment about your military targeting the press :)
Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,17:18:08 ) this will be happen. Ukrainian army will act very dirty, it's their the only chance to survive. Russian army will start to do the same from one point because of the same reason. Sadly, it's unavoidable.
I just hope that Ukrainian and Russian government will get an agreement of stopping the war, but, knowing this stubborns from the both side, I don't believe that it can be reached soon, especially with the help from the west.
I hope peace comes soon for the Ukrainian and Russian people, because its not fair on the Russian families who will not see the son's again, its not fair on the Ukrainian people what is happening to them.
But the only people preventing peace are Putin and your government, if they withdrew their forces the war would be over , I can't imagine the Ukrainians chasing you over the border to fight :)
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,17:18:08 ) Guys, you are definitely not interested in at least some point of view that is alternative to your news. You accuse us of following propaganda, while you yourself follow even more strongly. This is ridiculous.
I read something today which I think sums up the situation perfectly, and highlights where the blame lies:
”If Russia stops fighting, there will be no war; if Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine”.
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Quote ( Mark Pinnick @ March 10th 2022,18:24:30 )
”If Russia stops fighting, there will be no war; if Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine”.
There have been almost 2,000 posts on this topic and
without any reference to propaganda, this sentence says it all.
This is the true truth!
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Ok - confession time, a little window into my mind and how I honestly think/thought/feel about foreign politics regarding Ukraine over time.
1991-2013 Russia and Ukraine WERE the same in my mind I thought of Ukraine as "little Russia", basically the same people and almost same language and keep in mind I am someone born in the USSR (very late in the USSR though). Basically did not care about Ukraine.
If Russia Belarus Kazakhstan and Ukraine had joined into one state by this point I would have been "yeah sure, not surprised- what is for dinner?"and thought no more of it. (my opinions of Kazakhstan and Belarus has become more nuanced over time as well, I was in my early 20-s at the time).
2008: Russia Georgia War - did not change my opinion about Ukraine at all, because did not think about Ukraine at all. Did make me very concerned about Russia though.
2013: Maidan Uprising - confused. Did not understand why it was happening and realized Ukraine is much more complicated than I thought. Basically thought just a bit more western oriented "little Russia", but mainly confused as many weird things happened/were claimed.
2014: annexation of Crimea. I suddenly saw Ukraine as someone struggling with similar things as we are in the Baltics, just a bit different, same as Georgia (always saw Georgia this way btw even before 2008). Annexation of Crimea completely shocked me. This was in my mind a loyal Russian ally who was completely screwed over by Russia.
2014-2022: War in Donbass, unlike most of Western Europe our news kept paying attention to it and it made the news regularly (well not as often as it should, but about once a month for my news feed with updates when it had been going on for several years). Active "semi hidden" Russian proxy war against Ukraine is how most over here saw it and we paid attention because this was very relevant to us, something to learn from.
2022 - Full scale Invasion or "Special military intervention" in Ukraine - made Ukraine feel the same as one of the Baltic states for me, Because what we are afraid of would happen to us happened to them. 30 years of "We got too many immigrants from the former Soviet Union" turned into "let all the Ukrainian refugees in" overnight - and everyone is onboard - it is insane (in a positive way).
Disclaimer: these are my personal opinions of Ukraine over the last 30 years and you should not assume it is the same for other people in the Baltics or Estonia.
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,17:18:08 ) Quote ( Paulo Neves @ March 10th 2022,16:23:32 )
No! We have to see, so that we could watch mothers and newborns leaving the maternity
too easy to manipulate and you even didn't try to notice it Let me see if I understand what you are saying. What Russian officials said, without proves, is to be accepted. What Ukrainians are saying, supported by images, isn't? And I am the one being manipulated? Who is not trying to notice?
Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,17:18:08 ) :D
I'm just talking with the wall : Bet that you were looking to a mirror
Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,17:18:08 ) Or do you also believe that Russia did not attack Ukraine?
yeah, yeah. That's exactly what I told about all the time. I forgot to say that we all came from the moon.
Guys, you are definitely not interested in at least some point of view that is alternative to your news. Oh, so, your foreign minister said that Russia didn't attack Ukraine and I'm not interested in at least some point of view that is alternative to our news, because I didn't believe him? Were the news about a war in Ukraine also manipulated? C'mon, at least try to be logical.
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It's really ridiculous how someone keep avoiding calling war a war. The deliberate avoidance of the terms "war" and "invasion" is in itself the admission that it's exactly what it is: a war. But as war is normally considered a bad thing by people of common sense, no one wants to be accused for having commenced a war so the use of words "war" or "invasion" must be avoided. Clowns!
So basically invading (entering a sovereign state with an army), shelling residential areas, sieging cities, killing civilians is not to be called a war. But sanctions are instead to be considered as a war declaration. Nice logic.
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Until Russia's invasion of Ukraine, there were currents of opinion in Europe that understood the reasons given by Moscow and its anger at the possibility of Ukraine's entry into NATO. With this, the pact that was made after the fall of the USSR, where the US agreed not to integrate countries close to Russia into NATO, was broken. So far, absolutely right. But Russian friends... you are invading and destroying a sovereign and independent state, you are destroying the lives of many people, you have created the largest exodus of refugees, since the second world war, destroying their homes, infrastructure, you have used force disproportionately , against an inferior state in defense capacity. Haven't you stopped to think that this "intervention" has gotten out of hand? This can only be stopped by the Russians themselves. You can and you must. Those of us who recognized you right in your claim, we are no longer with you. If the civilian population of Russia wants to be complicit in this barbarism... you will be left alone in the world. Neither China, nor Arabia, nor India, are going to follow you in this, they have too many interests in the US and Europe. like to do it, they just wait.
(Sorry for my English. Google translator).
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 10th 2022,15:15:06 ) Quote ( Mark Iverson @ March 10th 2022,14:54:49 )
Please remember friend that there is no war - it's an invasion. I tell to people who call it a war. Everyone calls it a war, including me.
Really? Will you do this in public, in the street of your city? Or maybe will you go Red Square in Moscow and tell it publically? Or will you go to any of your television channels, and tell it?
No you won't, because you would be detained for that, and go before court.
In Russia calling it a war, and from your side an agressive war, a bloody and injustified invasion to another independent country (and casually your neighbour, that has long historical ties with you) is forbidden. Even children at schools are now taught to not to call this bloody agression of Russian troops a war, but "special militar operation". Am I wrong?
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