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Emne: [F1] German (Hockenheim) GP - Round 11 |
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Quote ( Jezz Bowden @ July 25th 2010,16:11:15 )
I would have ignored the order!
it wasnt an order ;)
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Shame Ferrari Shame.
Alonso's most undeserved win. Oh hang on that must have been Singapore in 2008.
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Should someone make a movie from Kovalainen letting past Hamilton in tons of GP's, so the englishmen would shut their arses? :) As Schumi said, same thing happens every race, just no one is brave enough to do it so openly.
This was disgrace that they took win from Massa.
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Quote ( George Samuels @ July 25th 2010,16:10:46 )
damn i can't swear
WHY NO!!!
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Quote ( Gavin Bosence @ July 25th 2010,16:11:43 )
Quote ( Antonios Skorpos @ July 25th 2010,15:27:59 )
Massa is soooo slow and Alonso is the faster.The order (IF there was order) was corect.The team need the win.
But they would of got the win with Massa
Agree.
If it's a team sport, scrub the drivers championship and only have the constructors championship.
Otherwise, LET THEM RACE.
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Quote ( Andrew Myers @ July 25th 2010,16:12:21 )
Alonso's most undeserved win. Oh hang on that must have been Singapore in 2008.
To be honest i don't know whats worse Singapore or Germany.
Like that little cliche at the end of the BBC coverage.
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Should someone make a movie from Kovalainen letting past Hamilton in tons of GP's, so the englishmen would shut their arses?
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Don't like McLaren much, wouldn't shut my ass
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Ferrari
"Felipe Fernando is faster than you,do u understand..."
so we know whose number one in ferrari
Ferrari-alonso
Mclaren-Hamilton
Redbull-Vettel
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#609 Skrevet Jul 25 2010, 16:15:55 (senest redigeret Jul 25 2010, 16:17:01 af Tom McBeth)
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Quote ( Gavin Bosence @ July 25th 2010,16:11:43 )
But they would of got the win with Massa
Or if Alonso really was so much faster, he would have overtaken him. It's one of the few tracks where it's possible... especially with the same engine.
I think the uproar will be enough to give a penalty. I mean he got punished for the jump on Kubica 2 weeks ago and that was harsh... this was much more obvious and completely intentional.
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For justice to be seen to be done the FIA should ban Ferrari from the next race at least.
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Quote ( Aaron Mullan @ July 25th 2010,16:14:40 )
Are u mental Ermin.
Slightly delusional
Ferrari just went the wrong way in carrying it out. Had they used a silly code and told him to conserve tyres in that message it wouldnt have been a big deal
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Absoloute disgrace. Massa could easily have won, Alonso should be banned from F1, Ferrari should also have a massive punisment. I'm really annoyed, Ferrari are thugs.
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The rules are quite clear.
Taking the win from Massa was a disgrace.
Alonso has finally found a team that will do his bidding.
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If I would be in place of MASSA:
1.I would ignore the order and keep all of the drivers
0.0001 behind
2.TRY AND leave Alonso 3-4 seconds behind
OR
3(THE BEST ONE)-LEAVE VETTEL GET PASSED ONLY COS THEY DID THAT TO HIM
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Quote ( Ermin Covic @ July 25th 2010,16:16:10 )
Slightly delusional
Ferrari just went the wrong way in carrying it out. Had they used a silly code and told him to conserve tyres in that message it wouldnt have been a big deal
They should have done that during pit stops and nobody complain.. That was too clear message from them.. I mean it was just a small driver error from Felipe of course!
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Tom, or they both could have crashed OR overtaken by Vettel, because they'd have both lost time fighting each other.
This was probably shittiest thing Ferrari could have done from fan's point of view, but similar things happen each race, juts not so obviously.
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Lol Ermin.
Imagine people who have had a bet on Massa. Ferarri have stolen their money.
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Quote ( Ermin Covic @ July 25th 2010,16:16:10 )
Ferrari just went the wrong way in carrying it out. Had they used a silly code and told him to conserve tyres in that message it wouldnt have been a big deal
Like the message to Petrov, they could have just turned his engine revs down and had Alonso get him into the hairpin. Not only did they cheat, but they did it really badly.
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maybe they should change the rules...
24 teams with all 1 driver...
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Yeeeeyyyy !!!! Alonso won !!!!
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Quote ( Lukas Jonaitis @ July 25th 2010,16:17:48 )
Tom, or they both could have crashed OR overtaken by Vettel, because they'd have both lost time fighting each other.
This was probably shittiest thing Ferrari could have done from fan's point of view, but similar things happen each race, juts not so obviously.
They could have crashed... like Red Bull did, or McLaren almost did in Turkey. Thereby proving the lack of team orders.
I think the difference between team orders and general favouritism needs to be identified. Giving 1 guy a part the other guy doesn't isn't a team order... because that doesn't affect the result of a race. This was completely blaightent.
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I can't believe it, what a load of ...
If I was Massa... I'd have stopped just before the start/finish line on the last lap and give the Ferrari pit wall the finger.
Forza Felipe.
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FERNANDO IS FASTER THAN YOU
its surely a coded message but cant really file a case on it as it explains nothing unless massa opens his mouth.
now why did ferrari need to confirm it!!! and suddenly we see alonso passing.....voiilllaa!!!!
now massa looks sad and says nothing to Croft...now that xplains a lot!!!
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Quote ( Tim Reeve @ July 25th 2010,16:20:43 )
give the Ferrari pit wall the finger.
yaaay
LOOL
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Quote ( Debjyoti Ganguly @ July 25th 2010,16:20:45 )
FERNANDO IS FASTER THAN YOU
its surely a coded message but cant really file a case on it as it explains nothing unless massa opens his mouth.
now why did ferrari need to confirm it!!! and suddenly we see alonso passing.....voiilllaa!!!!
now massa looks sad and says nothing to Croft...now that xplains a lot!!!
Just look at the overtake... backed up by "Good boy, sorry." from Smedley straight after. That's all the proof you could need.
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Quote ( Egzon Brajshori @ July 25th 2010,16:17:30 )
If I would be in place of MASSA:
1.I would ignore the order and keep all of the drivers
0.0001 behind
2.TRY AND leave Alonso 3-4 seconds behind
OR
3(THE BEST ONE)-LEAVE VETTEL GET PASSED ONLY COS THEY DID THAT TO HIM
Or 4: Crash into Alonso. That is personally my favourite option. :)
I will go to bed a lot more happy if I see that Alonso and Ferrari have been given penalties.
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These people on the BBC F1 Forum from Ferarri are making this seem even worse, they are still denying it, Felipe basically and blantantly sped back up as soon as Fernando passed.
Hmm Massa should have just sped up and rammed Fernando in the ass, saying on the radio if i can't get the victory, nither of us can.
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And here it is again, Ferrari playing their old tricks. Ferrari at their best is what I would say.
I think it is disgraceful that they still do it, extremely poor for the sport. Dictatorship is what I would say. Massa was in all right to win the race, and Ferrari once again causing him to lose it.
And then again Ferrari trying to cover it. There are so many obvious reasons why it was a team decision. "Fernando is faster than you." <--- How more obvious can you get? Rob Smedley telling Felipe that Fernando is faster than him is a code that Ferrari are now thinking about letting Fernando pass Massa because he is now faster than him and all Felipe is doing is holding him back. That was done so poorly, and then apologising to Felipe is a way of saying sorry that he couldn't defend him enough.
Watching it on BBC1 was even more of a give-away, showing replays of it showing the rev-meter too, and he was shifting early! Why would Felipe do that if it wasn't a team order? He shifted early and accelerated slowly to let Fernando past.
I think Felipe made a wise decision to say that it was a normal overtake, but it was the complete wrong decision. Now it shows that Ferrari told him to lie, it makes out that he was told not to talk about it and consider it a normal overtake, but his expression on the podium and beforehand suggests otherwise. Even Rob saying that it was normal was a give-away too, from what he said.
To all the Ferrari fans here, look at your team. Look at their tricks and what they do. I found it disgraceful. Absolutely disgraceful.
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