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#1 Skrevet maj 28 2015, 11:10:25
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Have some ideas:
1. Allow to use 2 tyres supplier per season for Master/Elite.
It will make more race strategy's. Perhaps manager can use 2 type of Tyres from different supplier per race, or just one per race, but allow to use for another race other tyre supplier.
2. Allow to choose only one tyre supply for Amateur/Pro
3. Also can be allow to use 2 type of tyre's per race. I mean Extrasoft/Soft, or Extrasoft/Hard
How about these suggestions?
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#2 Skrevet maj 28 2015, 11:38:42
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Quote ( Andriy Dyadkovich @ May 28th 2015,11:10:25 ) 1. Allow to use 2 tyres supplier per season for Master/Elite.
It will make more race strategy's. Perhaps manager can use 2 type of Tyres from different supplier per race, or just one per race, but allow to use for another race other tyre supplier.
Hmm. Perfect solution for OBP strategy. All season on cheap Pipis and change to Michis for one or two races. No.
And if you think of using two suppliers in one race, how much would it cost?
Quote ( Andriy Dyadkovich @ May 28th 2015,11:10:25 ) 2. Allow to choose only one tyre supply for Amateur/Pro
I don't get it. Isn't it what we have now?
Quote ( Andriy Dyadkovich @ May 28th 2015,11:10:25 ) 3. Also can be allow to use 2 type of tyre's per race. I mean Extrasoft/Soft, or Extrasoft/Hard
Discussed many times. It would lead to all qualis on XS. Bad idea.
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#3 Skrevet maj 28 2015, 11:43:14
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I don't think its a terrible idea TBH. yeah, it helps with one big push, but everyone would have the same advantage.
A choice of two would make for some great strategy differences. Price wise, I guess you pay for both?
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#4 Skrevet maj 28 2015, 11:53:07
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Quote ( Tomek Kiełpiński @ May 28th 2015,11:38:42 ) I don't get it. Isn't it what we have now?
I mean "to choose". In Amateur you can drive only on Pipi. However it was already suggested before me.
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#5 Skrevet maj 28 2015, 11:54:10
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Quote ( Andriy Dyadkovich @ May 28th 2015,11:53:07 ) However it was already suggested before me.
Yep. And discussed deeply. Have you read the discussion?
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#6 Skrevet maj 28 2015, 12:29:07
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Not thought through eough, look at previous discussions
and as tomek writes it would lead to even less variations
cause ex 3 then all choose XS in Q1 so even more static, he is also right in the ex1 .
what we dont need is even more static races and predictions.
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#7 Skrevet maj 28 2015, 13:14:01
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ May 28th 2015,11:43:14 )
I don't think its a terrible idea TBH. yeah, it helps with one big push, but everyone would have the same advantage.
A choice of two would make for some great strategy differences. Price wise, I guess you pay for both?
If you would have to pay to both tyre suppliers for the whole season, I could think it over again :-)
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Quote ( Håkan Ferm @ May 28th 2015,12:29:07 ) so even more static
Why? If some one have Pipi ES, and the other have ES Michelini? Is it will be static?
Also should be if you choose ES tyres for Q1 than you should start on it.
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#9 Skrevet maj 28 2015, 13:21:44
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Quote ( Andriy Dyadkovich @ May 28th 2015,13:15:08 ) Why? If some one have Pipi ES, and the other have ES Michelini? Is it will be static?
Because everyone will run XS and therefore it reduces strategic options. Which makes it more static!
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Quote ( Andriy Dyadkovich @ May 28th 2015,13:15:08 ) if you choose ES tyres for Q1 than you should start on it.
As I say if you choose ES tyres for Q1 than you should start on it.
However, this is just a suggestion.
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Quote ( Andriy Dyadkovich @ May 28th 2015,14:24:54 ) As I say if you choose ES tyres for Q1 than you should start on it.
And you must use 2 diferent components per race
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And in wet race you pick what?
Wet and wet compound?
This is just a weird suggestion.
Elite will pick Hancock for dry cold and another tyres for wet or warm, what does ir add.
Maybe people selecting wrong supplier in race strat ;)
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What existing problem is this suggestion intending to solve ?
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What problem do you wanna solve with your suggestion?
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Quote ( Andriy Dyadkovich @ May 28th 2015,14:24:54 ) As I say if you choose ES tyres for Q1 than you should start on it.
Then everyone will start on XS so you've lowered the amount of strategies that can be used. If you can use another type of compound during the race EVERYONE will still do Q on XS tyres!.
As for two suppliers in a season for Master/Elite you're simply going to encourage even more use of the OBP.
As Phil and João say above I simply don't understand why you've suggested this?
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I'm pretty sure that Hakan has this right.
More tyre suppliers per manager would make for less diverse strategies on race day. People would just chose whichever of their 2 suppliers fit the weather more appropriately and go with it. There wouldn't be managers trying to make the wrong tyres work by altering their strategy, they would just choose the better tyre.
And regarding OBP, those managers would get their one big hopes crushed. Because the two or three races in the season where they have the better tyres are now just 2 or 3 more races where the guys with the better overall package would continue to dominate them.
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Quote ( Mark Wright @ May 28th 2015,15:22:06 ) Quote ( Andriy Dyadkovich @ May 28th 2015,14:24:54 )
As I say if you choose ES tyres for Q1 than you should start on it.
Then everyone will start on XS so you've lowered the amount of strategies that can be used. If you can use another type of compound during the race EVERYONE will still do Q on XS tyres!.
I'd actually rather start on hards then and block the hell out of everyone ;)
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Quote ( Mike Brummert @ May 28th 2015,15:29:51 ) Because the two or three races in the season where they have the better tyres are now just 2 or 3 more races where the guys with the better overall package would continue to dominate them.
I don't think so.
Top Managers/Promoters will have to choose tyres allowing them to score points in the widest spectrum of weather conditions. Most of them probably Hancocks and Michis (at least at current prices).
For OBP one would still choose Contis or Bads but together with Pipis. The retainers from OBP would be still probably the same as with one supplier, but at much lower costs as Pipis would save them at least 2 mil $ every race.
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Quote ( Mike Brummert @ May 28th 2015,15:29:51 ) And regarding OBP, those managers would get their one big hopes crushed. Because the two or three races in the season where they have the better tyres are now just 2 or 3 more races where the guys with the better overall package would continue to dominate them.
Diagree because, oh well Tomek beat me to it!
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Well, you made to change my mind. Moderatos can close this topic.
Thanks to all for your opinion.
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