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Quote ( Christian Anello @ November 21st 2018,14:39:40 ) Let me rephrase it: the first thing a F1 team looks at in a driver is his speed.
We all love a nice bit of utopia.
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Apart from Williams and Force India with Stroll, I don't see any other team who employs paydrivers only because of their money
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Quote ( Christian Anello @ November 21st 2018,15:07:33 ) only because of their money
There's huge difference between "only because of money" and "first (..) his speed" :-)
Edit: If you have a driver that is 0,1s slower, but you believe that his sponsor budget spent on car development can potentially bring more than 0,1s you choose the slower one. This is how it works IMVHO.
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Quote ( Tomek Kiełpiński @ November 21st 2018,15:44:16 )
There's huge difference between "only because of money" and "first (..) his speed" :-)
A driver's racecraft comes before the money he'd bring in IMO
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Brilliant news!! :D
Proper Job Williams !!!
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Quote ( Christian Anello @ November 21st 2018,16:26:18 ) A driver's racecraft comes before the money he'd bring in IMO
It depends on the team and the driver :-D
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Quote ( Christian Anello @ November 21st 2018,16:26:18 ) Quote ( Tomek Kiełpiński @ November 21st 2018,15:44:16 )
There's huge difference between "only because of money" and "first (..) his speed" :-)
A driver's racecraft comes before the money he'd bring in IMO
Christian that is the way it SHOULD be.
Unfortunately in this day and age it isn't. Struggling F1 Teams chase every $ they can get, IMO to the detriment of the sport. There have been great drivers &/or great young talent with potential miss out on a well deserved seat for a "paying" driver multiple times over the past couple of decades.
It scares me what the future is for F1 having been a fan since the mid 70's
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Quote ( Christian Anello @ November 21st 2018,14:39:40 ) Let me rephrase it: the first thing a F1 team looks at in a driver is his speed. Only if your team is called Fondmetal!
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It's official! Kubica announced as a Williams' race driver in 2019
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Quote ( Tomek Kiełpiński @ November 22nd 2018,10:16:51 ) It's official! Kubica announced as a Williams' race driver in 2019 it's unexpected, everyone thought it should be Stroll. It's a surprise of the day!
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Stroll or Sergey? I'm happy for KUB, but sad for every driver losing his seat. SIR also.
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Impossible has become possible. My congratulations.
PS:
And let no one tell me that experience does not count on the track.
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Quote ( Bartosz Bartczak @ November 22nd 2018,11:52:16 ) let no one tell me that experience does not count on the track of course it's important. But it's a shame for F1 that such experienced driver had to buy this place. That's a modern F1 reality.
Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ November 22nd 2018,13:18:54 ) Stroll or Sergey? I meant that it was even more expected than Ahmet transfer to Edifice :)
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Great to see Kubica back in F1! He was a great talent back in the days, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him being slow in the couple of races
Quote ( Andrew Wilden @ November 21st 2018,16:50:20 ) Christian that is the way it SHOULD be.
Unfortunately in this day and age it isn't. Struggling F1 Teams chase every $ they can get, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
The only struggling F1 team right now is Williams. All the other teams hired their drivers mainly because of their speed
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Quote ( Bartosz Bartczak @ November 22nd 2018,11:52:16 )
And let no one tell me that experience does not count on the track. experience is clearly second only to hype.
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ November 22nd 2018,13:18:54 ) I meant that it was even more expected than Ahmet transfer to Edifice :)
Missed your sarcasm then. Sorry :-D
Quote ( Christian Anello @ November 22nd 2018,13:25:11 ) I wouldn't be surprised to see him being slow in the couple of races
What do you mean by "slow"? Just slow, bit slower or much slower than Russell?
We know nothing about Williams 2019 car yet.
Quote ( Christian Anello @ November 22nd 2018,13:25:11 ) All the other teams hired their drivers mainly because of their speed
Combined with budget they bring to the team.
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Quote ( Tomek Kiełpiński @ November 22nd 2018,13:50:16 ) What do you mean by "slow"? Just slow, bit slower or much slower than Russell?
Oops, I skipped a word there:
Quote ( Christian Anello @ November 22nd 2018,13:25:11 ) I wouldn't be surprised to see him being slow in the first couple of races
And by slow I mean that he will need some time in order to get used to racing in F1 again.
Quote ( Tomek Kiełpiński @ November 22nd 2018,13:50:16 ) Combined with budget they bring to the team.
But mainly because of their speed.
I don't think Haas/Renault/Sauber chose their drivers thinking about the money they'd bring in instead of how quick they would be
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Quote ( Christian Anello @ November 22nd 2018,14:40:07 ) But mainly because of their speed.
As I wrote above, usually a driver coming to F1 is very fast in other series. If that's what you mean, I can agree. But after that the devil is in the details.
Quote ( Christian Anello @ November 22nd 2018,14:40:07 ) And by slow I mean that he will need some time in order to get used to racing in F1 again.
Maybe.
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I know Kubica participated in FP1 at Barcelona and Austria this year, but did he do any other sessions? He was supposed to get a third one, but I can't find anything about it.
In Barcelona he beat Stroll, but Stroll had technical issues and didn't drive many laps. In Austria though, Kubica was awfully slow.
I wonder if we have anything else to go on besides these two sessions.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ November 22nd 2018,15:12:52 ) He was supposed to get a third one, but I can't find anything about it.
Tomorrow :-)
Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ November 22nd 2018,15:12:52 ) I wonder if we have anything else to go on besides these two sessions.
Pre/mid season tests? But, FP1 alike, getting the fastest lap is not the KPI :-)
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#142 Skrevet Nov 23 2018, 01:38:15 (senest redigeret Nov 23 2018, 01:48:16 af Lee Ifans)
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Oof Kubica and Russell. Hadn't realized Russell was in. If Williams can hammer a decent car together that's a really exciting lineup.
Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ November 22nd 2018,15:12:52 ) In Barcelona he beat Stroll, but Stroll had technical issues and didn't drive many laps. In Austria though, Kubica was awfully slow.
Comes back to what I've been on about in this thread recently really where you can't take a look a one session and say 'nah man this guy is past it/he's lost it etc.' I don't really now how many more ways there is to say drivers are sometimes valuable if they are consistent, or can contribute to the development of the car and many other things (even b ringing budget). You can slag off lap times in one session I guess but some of you guys can't keep dismissing what he did in a car before his injury and the wealth of experience he has.
If nothing else, what a comeback story. Time will tell how good a move it will be.
Ultimately I'd rather watch Kubica have a go at this than taxi drivers like Sirotkin and Stroll.
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Kubica was a whopping 1.5 seconds off taxi driver Stroll's laptime this morning. Not a very good prospect.
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He stated clearly that we shouldn't care about his FP1 times as he won't do it neither. He starts 2019 preparations. Let's wait for pre-seasons tests to judge his pace.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ November 23rd 2018,11:55:39 ) Kubica was a whopping 1.5 seconds off taxi driver Stroll's laptime this morning. Not a very good prospect.
Claire said just after the FP1 that they had different programmes. Let's wait for 2019 :)
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congratulations to Poland, but Robert won't be faster than Sergei.
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Quote ( Radek Czech @ November 23rd 2018,13:12:40 ) Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ November 23rd 2018,11:55:39 )
Kubica was a whopping 1.5 seconds off taxi driver Stroll's laptime this morning. Not a very good prospect.
Claire said just after the FP1 that they had different programmes. Let's wait for 2019 :) does somebody still believe F1 team bosses?
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C'mon guys. It's way too early to judge Kubica pace
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Holy poop. It will sound crazy, but last night I dreamt that KUB won inauguration race in 2019, even though he completed one full lap with extremely ripped rear tyre, with only 1 pit strategy :]
Relax. I woke up in clean bed ;p
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Quote ( Tomek Kiełpiński @ November 23rd 2018,12:31:06 ) He stated clearly that we shouldn't care about his FP1 times as he won't do it neither. He starts 2019 preparations. Let's wait for pre-seasons tests to judge his pace.
Quote ( Radek Czech @ November 23rd 2018,13:12:40 ) Claire said just after the FP1 that they had different programmes. Let's wait for 2019 :)
Those are exactly the things everybody would say in that situation, no matter if it's true or not. They knew people would be watching Kubica today, not only fans but also potential sponsors. No way they gave him a much slower car on purpose.
I know it is too early to judge him. Also because it's the end of the season, so the other drivers have done thousands of kilometres in their car now, and Kubica has had only limited track time. On the other hand, someone like Vandoorne jumped into the car in Bahrain 2016 with literally 0 prior track time and outqualified his team mate Jenson Button.
So yes it's too early, but you can't deny that it's not looking great based on the little information we have.
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