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Quote ( José Marques @ June 20th 2019,19:47:56 ) Does this guy have any idea of how famous he got after this thread?
Don't you mean "infamous" 😆
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ June 20th 2019,19:57:45 ) cheating Why use that word then? I didn't...
But I take your point, its perfectly understandable why someone would choose to do that, I might do if I fail in Master so I can be the ultimate hypocrite lol. But THAT is why I liked my new tier so much, it helped solve that issue, how many 'super rookies' are merely achievement hunters is anybody's guess eh...
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An entire new tier for a very small number of super rookies is overkill IMO
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ June 20th 2019,20:15:05 ) An entire new tier for a very small number of super rookies is overkill IMO lol me too Kirsty, that isn't what I meant, I was referring to a new lower rookie tier and renaming current rookie as novice
BUT... what about manually moving them into the same rookie group? that's been suggested before and it might be better than nothing, though I prefer raising SR penalty to 500k per point over 50.
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Why change? It's not broken. Really, this "discussion" just keeps repeating itself with both sides not giving a crap about what the other side thinks.
Guess what, you disagree! Learn to live with it.
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Not to be bashing a dead horse, but over all things getting negative balance (let alone in rookie) is one of the worst things you could do in GPRO. If you don't want to play the game, man, then simply don't login at all, he is practically begging for a ban (if consecutives negative balances were an idea, like getting to owe money to a real bank ??? I was in debt once, still am of sorts, you don't know how bad it is, when you have no money, and you have to pay back money from dividends... You don't sleep, you don't eat (or eat too much for stress), and basically your life just become a whole lot worse in many ways. In GPRO is the same thing, imagine your virtual you, the manager, is -15kk in debt, but at the end of the season you'll be given 30kk as an incentive to go up in the leagues, were the real game begin ??? Tell me, what's so great about being the 1st of rookie ? I'd rather be the last of amateur than a rookie all the time. This guy is not above average, in fact, once you break the bank, you're toast, and considered unremarkable, and from below average (like this guy who manages to win his races) to absolutely horrible (in debt, but also has technical problems and is one of rookie's worst). Thats all IMHO.
TL;DR - Do not, ever get in debt if you can avoid it, you'll thank me later.
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How am I meant to get all the achievements if I get dumped in a grip of smart racers though! :p
Still can't really see the need for a tier though
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Quote ( Norton Martins @ June 20th 2019,20:26:59 ) TL;DR - Do not, ever get in debt if you can avoid it, you'll thank me later. *except when you inevitably have to in Rookie to kill all driver motivation to be able to extend their contract ;) oh and to also ensure you don't accidentally promote with the top 7 or 8 all going negative :P
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ June 20th 2019,20:32:56 ) oh and to also ensure you don't accidentally promote with the top 7 or 8 all going negative :P
I'm pretty sure if you're outside the top 8 you can't promote no matter what, even if everybody ahead of you is negative.
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Quote ( George Slater @ June 20th 2019,20:49:17 ) I'm pretty sure if you're outside the top 8 you can't promote no matter what, even if everybody ahead of you is negative. Actually you're right, now I vaguely remember reading that as well, guess they just become additional promotions so some poor sod somewhere will promote in 8th and think wtf :D
Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ June 20th 2019,20:27:22 ) Still can't really see the need for a tier though Has 'fixes' for other commonly discussed issues (ama money, market madness, only 16.6% total players playing full game etc) but its main advantage is separating the calibre of players much better than it does now. 6000+ spread evenly across 3 tiers is a BIG difference than across 2 tiers inc 1 that resets each season!!!
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Oh quelle surprise, Sam is plugging his extra tier again. :D
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ June 20th 2019,22:52:32 ) Oh quelle surprise, Sam is plugging his extra tier again. :D
Thought exactly the same thing Miel. I thought that dead horse he has been flogging for so long would have rotted away by now 😆
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This particular horse seems immortal :)
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Cute... I seem to remember the way you killed my horse was suggesting the, then upcoming restructure, would fix the issue... has it?
Its not that you proved my idea was bad you just repeated it enough times you clearly now think its signed sealed and delivered, the irony, Jukka was the only admin who thought there was a problem to fix, makes sense.
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Funny how the master of "Rinse & Repeat" mentioned the word repeated. I mean honestly how many times can you crap on with the same BS Sam. It ain't going to happen. Never will. Get over it & move on. You are boring the crap out of everyone with the same old, same old.
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ June 21st 2019,00:26:19 ) my idea was bad No one is saying your idea is bad. Most are just far more prepared than you to see the situation from multiple angles, rather than the whole "this person said this, therefore i also think this" which you seem to be expecting.
It's just hilarious that you think that your way is the only way, even though there is no evidence to suggest that's the case.
I can think of a good few world crisis situations which have been caused by people thinking similarly to this.
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More than three seasons in a row finishing season on negative balance, during all next season u can only sign up with drivers with less than 60OA.
It resets only when finishing one season on positive balance.
Challenge fair enough for anyone willing to be super rookie for seasons in a row.
Obviously only working in rookie tier.
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#169 Skrevet Jun 21 2019, 16:39:25 (senest redigeret Jun 21 2019, 16:41:39 af Sam Norris)
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Quote ( Andrew Wilden @ June 21st 2019,11:12:06 ) Funny how the master of "Rinse & Repeat" mentioned the word repeated. I mean honestly how many times can you crap on with the same BS Sam.It ain't going to happen. Never will. Get over it & move on.You are boring the crap out of everyone with the same old, same old. Why are you lying???
You are pretending im bringing it up without reason off topic... we WERE having a DISCUSSION. IMO the only justification for super rookies is achievement hunting. I said imo the only way to fix that is a new tier. Please quote the other, better suggestions... How else can you stop ppl being super rookies to get achievements? or should we? if not then remove the super rookie penalty!
My posts and the reasons for mentioning the idea of a new tier again (after well over a year) is valid imho. It was not meant you for Andrew, it was a reply to Peters (then Kirstys) posts.
Are the 'Super Pros' in Pro12 a problem? would be promoters look to be relegating, Joan as usual. Should my teammate be happy about his unexpected promotion? Is this a planning and management game? I did the same once on michis, my point is all it would take is more ppl playing this way to break the game.
The fact Stuart Foster got to mention his new tier again on page 1 has not been lost on me btw ;)
Quote ( Josh Clark @ June 21st 2019,11:37:42 ) It's just hilarious that you think that your way is the only way When did I say that? Or shut anyone else down for expressing an opinion? #FREESPEECH
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Quote ( Andrew Wilden @ June 20th 2019,20:00:51 ) <!-- gpro_300x250 --> (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Quote ( José Marques @ June 20th 2019,19:47:56 )
Does this guy have any idea of how famous he got after this thread?
Don't you mean "infamous" 😆
I mean... If you finish 5th in his league you're bound to like him 😂😂
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ June 21st 2019,16:39:25 ) When did I say that? Or shut anyone else down for expressing an opinion? #FREESPEECH its less that you shut other people up and more that you won’t shut yourself up. It feels like i’ve seen your completely flawed idea on this forum every other post.
Quote ( Sam Norris @ June 21st 2019,16:39:25 ) Please quote the other, better suggestions... this does however show your narrow mindedness, you aren’t even acknowledging that a vast majority of us don’t see super rookies, super amateurs, super pros, super masters and whatever else as a problem. If someone wants to go after achievements, or get get good stats then why stop them? People use the argument of “but my points money!!!!”, well you don’t have to beat them so spend less.
in regards to your teammate in pro-12, that’s a risk you run with trying to go close to the promo spots without going up, risk versus reward, in many situations you can see early in the season who is going to do this. If you want to plan everything like he has to promote in a certain season then factor in other people playing the game differently rather than doing it on the edge. I feel sorry for him as I wouldn’t of guessed as many would of gone negative as have in that group however that is part of the game and you’ve got to be prepared for managers to be unpredictable
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ June 21st 2019,16:39:25 ) IMO the only justification for super rookies is achievement hunting.
That's the thing you have a set way you feel the game should be played, there are other reasons why someone might be a super rookie, such as not data gathering. The one thing that is for sure is that the super rookie "problem" is blown out of proportion every time it's raised.
Quote ( Sam Norris @ June 21st 2019,16:39:25 ) I said imo the only way to fix that is a new tier. Please quote the other, better suggestions
But its not the only way, you could remove the Rookie Achievements , you could rename rookie to something else to stop any confusion over it being only new players there and make it clearer it's the bottom level of the game.
One thing which I am confident about is that adding another tier is pointless and unnecessary, I would rather see some heavier relegation's from ammy to re-balance the pyramid, however I can fully understand why that won't happen due to the negative impact that would have on player morale there, despite my belief there are plenty of players in ammy who could actually do the rookie reset because they are struggling financially along with their car level as they have never got to grips with money management, it's a far cry now from when I first started playing where you had to really prepare in rookie to make sure you survived in ammy, now it seems you just have to turn up and stay positive money wise :)
Quote ( Sam Norris @ June 21st 2019,16:39:25 ) Are the 'Super Pros' in Pro12 a problem? would be promoters look to be relegating, Joan as usual. Should my teammate be happy about his unexpected promotion?
I think your team m8 should of done his home work, just looking at the group would of shown finishing 6th would risky as 2 of the promo slots would likely go negative based on their history, so it's as risky as finishing 4th in a group without those people in it :)
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ June 21st 2019,16:39:25 ) IMO the only justification for super rookies is achievement hunting. Not really, He might just be happy to play that way.
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I dont want to open new thread but want to complain here that Yug is super Elite, and he took away the rest of the Eliters chance of winning the title.
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ June 22nd 2019,04:23:25 ) I dont want to open new thread but want to complain here that Yug is super Elite, and he took away the rest of the Eliters chance of winning the title. Wrong topic
/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=12984
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OH shutup Lyee. Please don't get Sam and Yakup started again 😂 Let this thread rot away with Sam's dead horse will you PLEASE 😆😆😆
You keep talking like that Sam will want another tier called "Top Gun". Only for managers that have already won Elite. Why???? Because Elite is unfair on new arrivals because they haven't won Elite before & don't have the experience to compete with Super Elite's 😣😣😣😣
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Probably getting you start again here make me more reprehensible than getting anyone else starts :))
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It would be easier to put 'super rookies' in the same group. Work out some parameters and have the game engine soet itm out.
Let new players compete against other new players. Help in keeping their interest. I mean... isn't the fun in racing when you have chance?
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ROOKIE - A rookie is a person in the first year of activity in a sport, or someone new to a profession, training, or activity What would we call a first year? First full season I would say. I would say that on completion of 17 races (to end of a full season). They all automatically go into amateur. Rookie should really be for training.
AMATEUR - a person having only a superficial knowledge of a subject or activity
Those who promote should go into a new category. SEMI-PRO.
I think that would make sense. I know that this may not even be possible and would be a huge change and would upset people, but I think it makes a little more sense.
Although I understand that those who go negative don’t get promoted, and so those who finish 5th, 6th....get promoted instead. Still, it isn’t a nice feeling, never winning a race, pole position or fast lap because there is some plum who wants all of it, except promotion.
ROOKIE - AMATEUR - SEMI PRO - PRO - MASTER - ELITE
What ya think? Just an idea that was quickly thought of and probably ludicrous.
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