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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 2nd 2022,15:47:06 ) You're just unable to understand me, as you unable to understand what happened in your country.
I know why we came to this things we have now. I don't know exactly how to change it, but I think about it for years. I know the reasons, I act with using this information.
Your country has huge problems. Your government also is responsible for his mistakes, of which there were a lot, which you don't want to admit. If you're unable to see this problems, you have no chances to solve it. And better not to say that your government is great after all that stupid things they did, which already were discussed here.
How am I touched by this position. Russian tells me that I do not understand what is happening in my country and that my government is somehow not right
Let me remind you that Poroshenko came to power in 2014 - Russia considered him bad for her. Zelensky positioned himself as his complete opposite and won. But it is also bad for Russia. Maybe it's not about my government, which is changing. Maybe the whole thing is in the government of Russia, irremovable for more than 20 years
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,15:56:03 ) Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 2nd 2022,14:34:12 )
Pornhub - ban on access to content
What a cruel blow!
Now the whole Russian army is capitulating!
it is very symptomatic that you only notice pornhub
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 2nd 2022,15:58:21 ) Maybe the whole thing is in the government of Russia, irremovable for more than 20 years that's what I'm talking. This "Maybe". You're not able to think and make analysis. You don't even try. All you can do is to thumb down every opposite message and keep blaming Russia for everything. Thank you for not accusing Russia for Covid development, I appreciate it.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,15:53:44 ) Do you see how much gas costs now? It seems more than $2000
Calculate how much the prices of your goods will rise.
Gas is free for Russia, do you know that?
FYI - Gas prices currently are at approximately €200 per Megawatthour. You didn't specify the measurement though. Granted, the 0 in itself has little value, but adding it at the end of any number has significant impact ... Though I admire your passion to get your views across, you have been factually incorrect on a number of things you wrote.
Now the easy joke would be "what you think the cost of imported goods will be for the Russian population today, and in the upcoming period?". Given the Ruble crash diving as is, soon maybe a flower bouquet may cost you the equivalent ... However, it's not a good time to be joking IMO, and remarks like this and yours only fuel the fire. If that's what you are after, you're doing fine. If that's not what you're after, just take a mental note for the time being.
The whole world will see prices of different goods and commodities going up due to this conflict. As ever and as stated before, it is most felt by the general population, and not only in Ukraine and Russia, it's a world wide phenomenon.
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I understand that most "independent" Europeans hate Putin.
Because he became strong.
Because Russia has become strong.
You didn't expect that after the Cold War and the collapse of the USSR, Russia would recover and produce something on its own.
I understand your fear.
But if you look at your history, it's you - England, Spain, France, Portugal had colonies all over the world where you robbed and killed the population.
Yes, Russia also conquered and expanded its territories. But unlike you colonialists, Russia developed these territories, trained, raised.
There were many different spots in the history of Russia, but we always helped those who united with us.
Was Eastern Europe under the yoke of the USSR?
Yes, in the Eastern countries they lived much better than in the USSR itself.
You were liberating the people from communism. Who can say when there was a referendum on the reunification of the two Germanies? Or did several people decide for the people of the GDR? And after that you accuse us of annexing Crimea? You're lying.
If you want to save your nerves, then don't worry about us - we will win.
Because the whole world is watching us.
And Americans and Europeans are hated a lot around the world.
You have brought evil to many.
Remember this.
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 2nd 2022,16:03:32 ) that's what I'm talking. This "Maybe". You're not able to think and make analysis. You don't even try. All you can do is to thumb down every opposite message and keep blaming Russia for everything. Thank you for not accusing Russia for Covid development, I appreciate it.
if you don't feel the irony in the word "maybe", it's not my fault. Although how do you know about the change of political power. And don't try to discount what I said with a link to covid conspiracy theories
I blame the Masons for the pandemic. Especially for you - this is irony too
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 2nd 2022,16:07:54 ) FYI - Gas prices currently are at approximately €200 per Megawatthour. You didn't specify the measurement though. Granted, the 0 in itself has little value, but adding it at the end of any number has significant impact ... Though I admire your passion to get your views across, you have been factually incorrect on a number of things you wrote. I can understand people who follows Putin, who believes that the war was the best decision. We have a huge brainwashing here in Russia and it's too easy for government to deceive own citizens.
But what I just can't understand is that somebody threaten to increase gas prices, meanwhile Russian economic is crushing by sanctions. We, usual citizens, doesn't fell a BIG difference yet, because there were only few days of sanctions, it didn't came to us yet. But it's coming. And Russia just can't win it in the short-time perspective.
Somewhere deep down, I would even like these sanctions to last for about 20 years or so. Because this will allow Russia to finally pay more attention to domestic resources, of which we have a lot. We could make huge progress that we lack. The only reason I don't want this is that our life will be very, very bad in the next at least 5 years. Most likely much longer. Whatever it is, Europe will be much less damaged by the exchange of sanctions than Russia. It's stupid to deny it. It is a pity that civilians will suffer from this, but it is inevitable. We have just started, and we are at work thinking how to keep our innovative project under the sanctions. If our project is closed, it will be very difficult to find a new job in the current conditions. And I think that my problem is not as huge as other people who can lose absolutely everything. The situation is worse now only among the Ukrainians (well, among the inhabitants of those countries that no one pays attention to).
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,16:15:41 ) Because he became strong.
Because Russia has become strong.
You didn't expect that after the Cold War and the collapse of the USSR, Russia would recover and produce something on its own.
Gpro is the place where two Russian people can tell absolutely opposite things :)
All I can confirm is that Putin is untouchable, Russia have a great war equipment. War equipment is the all we can be proud of (I meant, how high-tech we managed to create it, it's sad that people in the world are forced to develop it).
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,15:53:44 ) Quote ( Alessandro Casagrande @ March 1st 2022,21:27:07 )
When you close the Northern Streams, how much will America sell gas to you for? Are you ready for this?
You can bet on this!
Do you see how much gas costs now?
It seems more than $2000
Calculate how much the prices of your goods will rise.
Gas is free for Russia, do you know that?
Typical Russian argument: We have the gas so we can do what we want and you, Europe, shut up!
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Quote ( James Keeble @ March 2nd 2022,14:43:32 ) What a fantastic topic but i hate PUTIN! hopefully someone gets to him soon
vile human
The Englishmen stole Venezuelan gold.
Now Venezuela can't fight COVID-19.
God punish England!
And you're overheated punk. Shave your skull.
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Quote ( Pavel Král @ March 2nd 2022,16:22:32 ) Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,15:53:44 )
Quote ( Alessandro Casagrande @ March 1st 2022,21:27:07 )
When you close the Northern Streams, how much will America sell gas to you for? Are you ready for this?
You can bet on this!
Do you see how much gas costs now?
It seems more than $2000
Calculate how much the prices of your goods will rise.
Gas is free for Russia, do you know that?
Typical Russian argument: We have the gas so we can do what we want and you, Europe, shut up!
What will you do in 2035 when Europe won't need your gas? You have almost nothing to offer. Just gas and war.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,16:15:41 ) Who can say when there was a referendum on the reunification of the two Germanies? Or did several people decide for the people of the GDR?
1989 it started. The turning point in Germany, called "Die Wende", was marked by the "Peaceful Revolution" leading to the removal of the Berlin Wall, with East and West Germany subsequently entering into negotiations toward eliminating the division that had been imposed upon Germans more than four decades earlier.
German reunification (German: Deutsche Wiedervereinigung) was the process in 1990 in which the German Democratic Republic (GDR; German: Deutsche Demokratische Republik, DDR) became part of the Federal Republic of Germany (FRG; German: Bundesrepublik Deutschland, BRD) to form the reunited nation of Germany.
The end of the unification process is officially referred to as German unity (Deutsche Einheit), celebrated each year on 3 October as German Unity Day (Tag der deutschen Einheit). Incidentally that's my B-day, but I'm not sure you could be bothered ;)
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Quote ( Mark Witney @ March 2nd 2022,08:53:31 ) One curious question for the Dmitry's
If Putin is so concerned about the Russian people when it's he going toallow free elections? When is he going to allow the internal dissenters of his regime the freedom to express their opinions without fear of repercussions??
He is simply a playground bully who wants to flex his muscles against a smaller kid, it's that simple and that pathetic.
Funny reasoning of democracy from a man who lives under King power in a land with no constitution.
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 2nd 2022,16:07:54 ) a flower bouquet may cost you the equivalent ...
You don't know Russian people and evaluate them by yourself.
We will have our own flowers, and if something is missing, what kind of things will we not bow to the Americans and Europeans.
After 1991, we already understood how we would have to pay for your goods.
Your policy is to exchange plastic beads for resources. We have already believed you once and almost lost our sovereignty.
You can consider us zombie aborigines. But as long as you think of us as such, we will do everything.
Let's be friends better.
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Quote ( Sergei Gordov @ March 2nd 2022,16:28:55 ) Funny reasoning of democracy from a man who lives under King power in a land with no constitution.
Well, what is there to talk about. Come on, teach the Englishman about democracy
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Quote ( Sergei Gordov @ March 2nd 2022,16:28:55 ) who lives under King power
Just because they own Leicester City the Thai's reach doesn't go as far ruling the rest of the UK!! :-)
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,16:29:05 ) Let's be friends better.
I assume it's not only my opinion that I Will not ne friend with someone who beat my friends.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,16:29:05 ) Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 2nd 2022,16:07:54 )
a flower bouquet may cost you the equivalent ...
You don't know Russian people and evaluate them by yourself.
We will have our own flowers, and if something is missing, what kind of things will we not bow to the Americans and Europeans.
After 1991, we already understood how we would have to pay for your goods.
Your policy is to exchange plastic beads for resources. We have already believed you once and almost lost our sovereignty.
You can consider us zombie aborigines. But as long as you think of us as such, we will do everything.
Let's be friends better.
Enjoy your Ladas then😂
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Quote ( Shaun Thornton @ March 2nd 2022,16:54:45 ) Enjoy your Ladas then😂 we have Geely for the price of 8-years average salary
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 2nd 2022,14:34:12 ) RF business isolation status as of March 02, 2022:
don't cum there, but keep us posted if there's nothing to do.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,16:29:05 ) You don't know Russian people and evaluate them by yourself.
At least I seriously try to understand, much more then you seem to see. And as it happened more over, you are dodging my remarks again by explaining how tough the Russian population, industry and economy (could) be. The thing I do not understand is that while you know to have all resources available, why it is still not used to empower the country and the people by indeed making good use of it ... You state you will, but so far you haven't.
Much like I do not know you personally, you don't know me in person. You like to generalize all and everything, but the world doesn't work that way. Much like in Russia with all different thoughts and beliefs among the population, the same is applicable to what you refer to as the West.
Look at how you yourself are communicating in here as opposed to others proudly flying the Russian flag. I say "proudly" with intend, not to mock you but as I belief all should and could be proud of the land of his/her birth, hence this is not s dig! Similar to several Westerners in here, your tone is defiant and taunting. Though I can understand where this could originate from, it doesn't help to try and come to some consensus. If the same behavior is displayed in the peace talks currently going between Russia and the Ukraine, no solution would ever be found. This is not rocket science, and you, me and all could easily agree to this statement, right?!
My personal view of the Russian people has improved significantly since I was born. A product of the cold war era myself, we too had drills on sheltering beneath our desks when the sirene would go of. Every time I see such now, I cannot help but laugh, I mean what is a simple desk offering me when the building would come down? Growing up and later on travelling around the globe and meeting people from all walks of life, I grew a different understanding. And it's this why I dare to say that in bare basics, you, me and all others in here ans out there basically have the same needs; food, shelter and safety!
Many in here however have been fueling the anger that's out there, finger pointing, whataboutism, and so on. And all it did was seeing to it that even in this community a certain division is felt. And for what? We were all content and happily playing a browser game, and sure sometimes crossed with our competitors due to being overtaking in the last lap or whatever. All that though was without looking at flags or nationality. SO why now are we getting all heated up over this, when it's not exactly within our control ...
I'll gladly explain my POV on all this and organizations like the UN, NATO and the EU, and I'm very well prepared to listen to all that's CIS and more on the other end of the spectrum. However, I refuse to dig in as well and spout aggression when this was not happening in here just over one single week ago!
two more, before I hand it over to the rest again;
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,16:29:05 ) Your policy is to exchange plastic beads for resources. We have already believed you once and almost lost our sovereignty.
You can consider us zombie aborigines. But as long as you think of us as such, we will do everything.
Your first remark is strong and highly exaggerated, but I can see the message within, though my POV is different possibly based on more information available to me on this topic. The second part is just a waste of server space in my POV, as it adds absolutely nothing to all of this. I've not spotted such labels being send your way nor vice versa, and it's not how the Western World depicts you guys.
What I'm actually very relieved to see however is the ending of your post
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,16:29:05 ) Let's be friends better.
Now here's an opening I can happily work with. Let's try our next posts to start with keeping this idea in mind, you, me and all others in here. Trying to be friend and explaining each others POV is a far better starting point than finger pointing and whataboutism! We all know propaganda is all over the world, yet this particular GPRO environment is a place where we should be able to explain and understand each other better, not being hindered by the outside world.
In my belief a big part of the whole last century and possibly more is the created distrust between East and West. We all were told to be scared from the bad guy on the other side of the fence. Yet if we would meet in a bar in either Moscow or Amsterdam, I'm fairly sure we could have the same discussion without digging our heals into the sands ... So, indeed, it's better to be friends!
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,16:15:41 ) I understand that most "independent" Europeans hate Putin.
Because he became strong.
Because Russia has become strong.
Putin has become a laughing stock, your Military is the bane of jokes , the only thing the European's fear of Russia is that the little man fingers the red button, he has what can be referred to as Napoleon syndrome
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,16:15:41 ) Russia developed these territories, trained, raised.
do you really believe this? why do most if not al territories which were under soviet rule not want to go back if it was all sunshine and rainbows, why do you think the Ukranianians fight so hard against it
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Quote ( Casey Stoner @ March 2nd 2022,12:25:42 ) Im wondering why the big brother Yanks are keeping out of this conflict?
the answer is very simple IMO: Iraq had fuel, afganistan had opium and there is nothing in ukraine they can steal, same with the balkan war.
Or perhaps they dont like messing with someone more powerful than them?
Thoughts?
Maybe they don't like the idea of Mutually Assured Destruction and nuclear holocaust.
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Quote ( Gergo Szendi @ March 2nd 2022,17:53:38 ) Quote ( Casey Stoner @ March 2nd 2022,12:25:42 )
Im wondering why the big brother Yanks are keeping out of this conflict?
the answer is very simple IMO: Iraq had fuel, afganistan had opium and there is nothing in ukraine they can steal, same with the balkan war.
Or perhaps they dont like messing with someone more powerful than them?
Thoughts?
Maybe they don't like the idea of Mutually Assured Destruction and nuclear holocaust.
this and the way forward at this point is sanctions(as the oligarch's who prop up Putin are the only people in Russia bar putin himself who can stop this) and support for Ukraine in terms of finance and weapons.
also would like to chuck this back out there seen as all our Russian friends seem to ignore it and choose not to answer
Quote ( Peter Willmore @ March 2nd 2022,13:25:33 ) , for those Russian supporting this War(special operation whatever you want to pretend it is), would you of been happy if the USA had rolled troops in as peacekeepers, or why did you not ask to send troops in as peacekeepers as part of a multinational task force from the UN.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ March 2nd 2022,16:15:41 ) But if you look at your history, it's you - England, Spain, France, Portugal had colonies all over the world where you robbed and killed the population.
Yes, Russia also conquered and expanded its territories. But unlike you colonialists, Russia developed these territories, trained, raised.
There were many different spots in the history of Russia, but we always helped those who united with us.
Was Eastern Europe under the yoke of the USSR?
Yes, in the Eastern countries they lived much better than in the USSR itself.
You were liberating the people from communism. Who can say when there was a referendum on the reunification of the two Germanies? Or did several people decide for the people of the GDR? And after that you accuse us of annexing Crimea? You're lying.
LOL
If you were developing and helping Eastern Europe and Eastern Germany so well, then why did you build the Berlin Wall and the Iron curtain? Why did you preven tEastern Europeans from traveling to Western countries?
Oh, because they would have stayed in those countries, never coming back?
Here's a figure to back that up: In 1956, during the Hungarian Revolution against Russian oppression,
200 000 Hungarians (out of 10 million) fled to Austria over two weeks, because they finally had the opportunity to do so, thanks to the chaotic conditions at the border. 2% of population in two weeks.
That's how great those people felt about your amazing communist system.
That is how grateful they were for you "development".
But I guess this is not something you learn about when you grow up in Russia.
You robbed 45 years of development from the Eastern bloc. And for that we will not forgive you anytime soon.
And apparently, you have not changed at all. Russia operates on imperialistic principles, just like it did during XX. century.
In addition:
Western Germany has become a wealthy nation over those 45 years. The same Germany that was razed during WW2, the same Germany which had no colonies. They made it, because they had a reasonable economic system, not communist bullsh*t.
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Quote ( Gergo Szendi @ March 2nd 2022,18:01:53 ) Western Germany has become a wealthy nation over those 45 years. The same Germany that was razed during WW2, the same Germany which had no colonies. They made it, because they had a reasonable economic system, not communist bullsh*t.
To be fair, they also enjoyed the benefits of the Marshallplan.
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ March 2nd 2022,18:10:18 ) Quote ( Gergo Szendi @ March 2nd 2022,18:01:53 )
Western Germany has become a wealthy nation over those 45 years. The same Germany that was razed during WW2, the same Germany which had no colonies. They made it, because they had a reasonable economic system, not communist bullsh*t.
To be fair, they also enjoyed the benefits of the Marshallplan.
Which was offered to Hungary as well, but Stalin prevented us from taking it. With the reasoning: commies don't need aid from imperialists.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/soviet-union-rej...
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#istandwithputin trending in India
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Quote ( Peter Willmore @ March 2nd 2022,17:58:39 ) all our Russian friends seem to ignore it and choose not to answer all Russians or all who supports the war? I'm agreed with you, there's a little difference.
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Quote ( Ashok Vijay @ March 2nd 2022,18:12:45 ) #istandwithputin trending in India
I'm not really surprised given the relationship between India and Russia. I just learned that much of the military equipment in India, was supplied by the Russians. It also stated that much of that equipment is "heavy" on upkeep, if and when it is functioning.
I think I saw this on the YouTube Channel by WION, which btw has some insightful video's also referencing this conflict at hand.
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