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Quote ( André de Carvalho @ May 15th 2021,04:33:00 ) Pooping lol
And after this gem I need to take a break :D
Made it to #802 (72% of the thread). I will try to finish the read this evening.
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Quote ( Tim Wagner @ May 17th 2021,14:14:31 ) As you should know from my contributions previously (or from reading #1039) the inactivity isn't my main issue with Ivelin. But you do state it as the first reason; only after do you clarify that it's mainly to do with his early game post.
Quote ( Tim Wagner @ May 17th 2021,13:42:50 ) Personally, I do have you on my Scumlean list due to unusually low activity, which might be RL-induced, and mainly due to #33, which I still consider a discussion created that is non-helpful to Town and could have scummy intentions.
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To clarify #1112 further:
If #33 is your true reason to suspect Ivelin, why not say that, and add the "unusually low activity" after? It seems an odd way to organise things to me.
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Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ May 14th 2021,04:07:51 ) Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ May 13th 2021,18:20:09 )
Eduardo, any reason why you ignored #226? And can you answer it?
I didn't answer it because Ricardo later confirmed that he was worried that there would be another lyncher out there to lynch him.
I realize I should have answered, and I apologize for it, but since it had been confirmed by Ricardo I just simply forgot about it. My question still stands. Why did you exaggerate what Ric was saying? For someone who calls people out for dodging questions, you do that too.
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Quote ( Armin van Hülkenburg @ May 17th 2021,14:54:00 ) Mark has been a lot of fluff too in my opinion. His only real serious move in this game has been his bogus case on me. See, I wouldn't call that a "serious move" or a "case". To me, it seems to me like you're far more worried about what I wrote at that point than you ought to be though.
No-one else really bought too much into it, and I've definitely not pursued it. This kind of reaction makes me wonder whether there is something in it though.
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Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ May 14th 2021,04:09:44 ) Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ May 13th 2021,18:34:36 )
Is it just me who thinks that Andre's reaction was totally justified and not at all weird? I mean Eduardo's case is shit, let's be honest.
I wouldn't expect less from you, but he currently has two votes based on the same Two votes and nothing else. What does that tell you?
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Quote ( André de Carvalho @ May 17th 2021,14:09:47 ) This. I'll elaborate further later.
when is later?
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Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ May 14th 2021,06:47:08 ) Still very early but I think that Armin, Ricardo, you and up to some extent Vlad and Mike could provide some valuable infromation with the current state of affairs Can't remember if it was addressed later but why add Vlad and Mike in this list when you were defending the idea of lynching an active player?
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Quote ( Ricardo Antunes @ May 14th 2021,08:41:33 ) Town credit relative to André who sees you making a town list as a town Ivelin thing to do, thus giving you town credit relative to André.
Unless I'm misusing the term? Well, yeah. If I am scum, I may have listed town reads to get town credits. But in this case, Andre just got a town read on me based on something I did. Town credits is something scum try to get. Town read is something anybody can have based on what someone else said.
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Quote ( Lech Witarczyk @ May 17th 2021,16:02:50 ) Another possibility is... that a team of 4 is just unlikely. Usually scum consist of about 1/4 of the player pool, this would be closer to 1/3. I would not consider a 4 player scum team without having good reasons to do so. I guess that depends on number of powers too.
But, whilst I agree that 3 mafia is more likely than 4 mafia, personally my mind would be between those two options, with a potential TP already mentioned that would be in the back of my mind. But, until Armin mentioned it, the possibility of 2+2 had not crossed my mind.
Perhaps I'm too narrow minded?
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ May 17th 2021,17:10:14 ) Well, yeah. If I am scum, I may have listed town reads to get town credits. But in this case, Andre just got a town read on me based on something I did. Town credits is something scum try to get. Town read is something anybody can have based on what someone else said.
Ah, I see. But at least you understand what I meant, right?
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I did, but you haven’t.
Me listing town reads doesn’t give me town credits as scum, I can just as well list town reads.
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Quote ( Ivelin Dobrev @ May 17th 2021,17:14:43 ) I did, but you haven’t.
Me listing town reads doesn’t give me town credits as scum, I can just as well list town reads.
I- I understand! Either way, what I was trying to say there as town credits is basicly a town read from André. Glad I wondered if I was misusing the term...
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Ric's reaction to the Tim&Andre->Ivelin vote is also bizarre. Such situations happened in previous games when someone called "What about a X wagon?" and people hoped on without an explanation. It should not cause such a reaction. And even if surprised, Ric should have let it play out. The unvote is weird and I don't think Ric properly explained it. The same with "are we doing this?". Ric went into crazy mode and can't find a good explanation what he was doing through out.
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Quote ( Tim Wagner @ May 17th 2021,13:42:50 ) Alternate possibility - We just broke Rics way of thinking.
Elaborating further: this is preciselly what i think happened. We destroyed his world and he had a moment of despair when his system of belief fell apart.
Ric apparently believes with all his heart that votes should always work in a certain way. When he sees 2 players he consider to be experienced enough going outside of those strict rules under which he operates, his world stops making sense, which is when he desperatly starts searching for an answer that can fit his own belief system. In this case, linking Eduardo to the votes on Ivelin, which are two completely unrelated issues, but in his mind in would explain why such a 'wrong play' was put in place.
I believe it is part of Ric to have a stricter set of internal rules and a inherent difficulty in changing those set of rules when confronted by it's own inconsistencies. In the past it lead him to tunneling without considering different possibilities, as if his world is already made up and unchangeable.
His reaction was, in my point of view point of view, the towniest thing he could have possibly made.
Let's assume he is scum: what is there to gain from that? Would anyone even believe that Ric, me and Tim are all buddies playing a scene? If we are not buddies, why bother?
His reaction seemed perfectly instictive as i would assume he would have, he was in the thread, genuinely confused and desperately trying to reason the whole situation without considering that maybe his own ideas about mafia votes may be wrong. He believes that votes should be always aimed at who you think is scummier and always preceeded by a clear reason, so if something goes outside of those rules it is broken.
He sounded awfully genuine imo.
Quote ( Tim Wagner @ May 17th 2021,14:20:49 ) -Ric's unvoting Eduardo and voting Geir whom he had read Townish before really is the manifestation of ultimate confusion. Again, if Ivelin flipped scum, I could really see him as a buddy of his.
How is that so? Let's say Ivelin is Ric's scum buddy: why on earth would Ric jump to deffend his most experienced buddy like that? I think it's the opposite, i think that if Ivelin ever flips scum Ric is cleared to go. He may be a TP i guess, but i wouldn't assume by any stretch that he was Ivelin's buddy.
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Kirsty jumping on Ric right away is consistent with Kirsty's play so far. Level 1 reads only. However, is that a scum-Kirsty?
Ric has been reading Kirsty town, wouldn't it be easier for her to just buddy up with him if she was really scum?
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Quote ( Ricardo Antunes @ May 17th 2021,17:07:44 ) when is later?
Computer is back :)
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About my vote: i wouldn't expect Ivelin to be less active when scum. In fact, i don't think his activity changes much according to alignment. What i have seen, however, is that the content of his posts tends to be more low profile when he is scum. He leads less.
I had an initial town vibe from him when he right away started giving out some reads and pushing some questions, which made me feel like he was town, but when the game kept going, those content posts disappeared in some sense. Now of course it could just be related to irl issues, so i wasn't all that sure, but it started bugging me, so after a few beers i decided i was going to take a look at it and so i decided to just cast a vote and see how it goes. I have to say i wasn't expecting all that much but i'm not disappointed at all by the content that was generated.
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Andre, how do you interpret Ric's "Are we really doing this"?
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Well I have no idea how to approach this.
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Quote ( Lech Witarczyk @ May 17th 2021,19:38:58 ) Andre, how do you interpret Ric's "Are we really doing this"?
I don't see much in it. The 'we' seems like a figure of speech. Like 'is this being done now'?
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Quote ( Mark Pinnick @ May 17th 2021,17:03:25 ) See, I wouldn't call that a "serious move" or a "case". To me, it seems to me like you're far more worried about what I wrote at that point than you ought to be though.
No-one else really bought too much into it, and I've definitely not pursued it. This kind of reaction makes me wonder whether there is something in it though.
Well if you're gonna say you haven't pursued it in terms of questioning or following up, that is true.
But the fact remains you've even still got a vote parked on me for something that happened on page 6 (and over 3 days ago), so in a way whilst not pursuing it, you don't really look like pursuing anything, any way. You look like you want to be doing something without really being too noticeable.
I think you're just trying to blend in.
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Quote ( André de Carvalho @ May 17th 2021,19:24:36 ) Let's assume he is scum: what is there to gain from that? Would anyone even believe that Ric, me and Tim are all buddies playing a scene? If we are not buddies, why bother? My thought is that Ric, if scum, was/is Ivelin's buddy, hence the "does not compute".
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Quote ( Mark Pinnick @ May 17th 2021,20:15:31 ) My thought is that Ric, if scum, was/is Ivelin's buddy, hence the "does not compute".
Why does scum-Ric freaks out to deffend scum buddy Ivelin who has enough experience to deffend himself especially given how weak the votes actually were?
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Quote ( Kirsty Ridley @ May 17th 2021,12:06:38 ) but in the meantime
##vote Ricardo
Kirsty
Any special reason for this invalid vote?
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Why is that vote invalid?
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Quote ( Lech Witarczyk @ May 17th 2021,14:29:56 ) Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ May 13th 2021,05:32:46 )
May I ask what do you think forum Mafia is about?
If not explained later, Eduardo why are you asking these questions?
I understand you are fast reading, Armin questioned why was I looking at reactions, So i was asking him about how he plays Mafia if it is not by reactions and answers.
He did not answer, I have not played with him and wanted to know more of his style and how he played Mafia, I posted how I view Forum Mafia prompted by a question by Ricardo or André but even though he requested me to ask him he didn't answer.
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Quote ( Lech Witarczyk @ May 17th 2021,15:21:41 ) Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ May 13th 2021,13:21:35 )
You are skimming too much since there was even feedback do you really read?
Normally I would say:
Go back and look for them but in this ocassion I will point it to you post #434
I'm with Ric on this one Eduardo. You posted a bunch of names and reasons why you don't have a proper read on them. I would call that fence sitting.
I don't know about the bunch of names, go to post #434 and there is a reason to each and every name posted
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Quote ( Vladimir Valis @ May 17th 2021,16:04:19 ) Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ May 17th 2021,07:59:20 )
Not much more to comment really
Absolutely nothing to comment on #949?
Not really,
did you ever reaf all of my explanation and how careful is how I use the word stupid.
Yes I can have 50 or so posts, as Lech mentions, where i use the word stupid, but it is nmsotly not directed to a person other than Sudeep and cyou would have to readd all the thread to see that,
Is this the only thing you have?
Can you really do anything realted to scumhunting?
I know your specialty is fencesitting, but you shourl really play
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Quote ( André de Carvalho @ May 13th 2021,05:38:43 ) Not at this moment, too many people just sitting on the fence
Vlad is keeping it social, Armin has not really done anything other than express a couple of opinions with no relevance.
Jimmy, Kirsty and Tim are their usual selfs but that doesn't mean they are town, their tell tales are very subtle, Tim is a tough cookie to read, and Jimmy is difficult until he gets angry.
Mike has been too quiet
and all the other are new too me so no reads, but definitely they are too cautious and don't really participate
It just hit me you didn't have a read on precisely the 2 most active people in the game thus far. So I guess we are "too cautious and don't really participate"
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Quote ( Ricardo Antunes @ May 17th 2021,20:30:37 ) I know your specialty is fencesitting, but you shourl really play
I've seen a lot of you criticising other people for not playing the game, and little of you actively helping in scumhunting.
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