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Do you think the new rule change is a good idea?
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yep, it is clear, mate... the announcement says:
"Every manager who scored more than 50 points during the season and doesn't promote from Rookie...
So it applies to all Rookie managers, regardless of their position in the standings after R17
:)
E: I see what you mean, but if that specific manager promotes, he won't be affected by the rule, as I see.
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Quote ( Rafael Mantovani @ September 24th 2013,17:58:18 ) yep, it is clear, mate... the announcement says:
"Every manager who scored more than 50 points during the season and doesn't promote from Rookie...
So it applies to all Rookie managers, regardless of their position in the standings after R17
:)
"Every manager who scored more than 50 points during the season and doesn't promote from Rookie... (by finishing the season in negative),
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"Every manager who scored more than 50 points during the season and doesn't promote from Rookie (by finishing the season in negative)"
According to rule if you score more than 50 points and don´t promote being positive you won´t have the penalty.
There are only penalized those who get more than 50 points and stay negative at the end of the season.
The ones who want to stay at Rookie (i.e. for training driver) just have to score less than 50 points per season and they won´t be penalized.
Is that easy :)
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Good luck getting 50+ points in Rookie, staying positive, and not promoting. Anyone that succeeds in that will get some supporter credits from me. ;)
edit: Last season, for reference, this guy came 7th (all above positive) with 50 pointts and promoted. /gb/ManagerProfile.asp?IDM=245296
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You should have done it 20 seasons ago :p
Slowwwwwwwwww!!!
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#276 lähetetty 24.09.2013, 18:28:16 (viimeksi muokattu 24.09.2013, 18:29:20 Jorge Ramos toimesta)
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ September 24th 2013,18:07:59 ) edit: Last season, for reference, this guy came 7th (all above positive) with 50 pointts and promoted. /gb/ManagerProfile.asp?IDM=245296
??? Why that happened, if top 4 managers in that group were in possitive??
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I can see. Thanks, Mark! :)
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imo, I would have made it 40pts. Just to make it alot harder. what people do in 2 or 3 seasons training a driver can still be done with ease.
:-)
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A bit off topic but there sure are alot of Vladimir Alexandrov's lol
Im all for the change though
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what is with the timing?
if it was at the start of the season nobody could complain but im honestly being screwed over by this and now either have to promote in my training season with less money that has already been wasted OR not race properly anymore this season, im doing the latter
i understand the need for a rule of this sort but it is awful timing imho and means a few are being punished because of some. i want to race properly in my training season not have to try and not score...
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so don't score any more points for the rest of the season, easy :)
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ September 25th 2013,20:22:16 ) what is with the timing?
if it was at the start of the season nobody could complain but im honestly being screwed over by this and now either have to promote in my training season with less money that has already been wasted OR not race properly anymore this season, im doing the latter
i understand the need for a rule of this sort but it is awful timing imho and means a few are being punished because of some. i want to race properly in my training season not have to try and not score...
dude....you havent passed 50 points as yet
and further more....is 4 wins on the trot necessary if you claim that it is still a training season????
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ September 25th 2013,20:22:16 ) what is with the timing?
if it was at the start of the season nobody could complain but im honestly being screwed over by this and now either have to promote in my training season with less money that has already been wasted OR not race properly anymore this season, im doing the latter
i understand the need for a rule of this sort but it is awful timing imho and means a few are being punished because of some. i want to race properly in my training season not have to try and not score...
excuse me the rule is to stop what you did last year ,not to promote while in negative ,so i think you are the some as you referred to ,
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ September 25th 2013,20:22:16 ) i understand the need for a rule of this sort but it is awful timing imho and means a few are being punished because of some. i want to race properly in my training season not have to try and not score...
Do you think 48 points out of 50 is a training season???
When are you going to promote to Amateur, when you get able to score all the 170 points in a season???
Do you think is fair for the other managers in your group who want to promote that you get the first place and the bonus for that place and not promoting?
If you want to train your driver, just stop scoring, with that results you are more than ready to promote, but if you want to stay at Rookie you have two options, start next season with a penalty for scoring more than 50 points or leave that promotion places for the managers who really want to promote and stop scoring.
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ September 25th 2013,20:22:16 ) i understand the need for a rule of this sort but it is awful timing imho and means a few are being punished because of some. i want to race properly in my training season not have to try and not score...
Sadly, it's people like you that have caused this rule to be implemented, so in all honesty I don't really think you should be the one complaining about being punished because of someone else...
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and lets be honest, unless you score a rediculous amount of points, the penalty is not that big, even as far as 100 points..its only 5m loss overall ( if you forget about the 5m bonus for 17 races)...those "training drivers" and still scoring 100 points in the previous season - starting with 25m instead of 35m is irrelevant and should not be a problem, cos if you got 100 points while "training a driver" then 0CT every race is no problem for that small penalty to be of any significance (imo).
I agree with previous posters saying it's not that huge a penalty really...the more points your score then it stands to reason that you should be playing at a higher level, rather than denying it.
actually may I just add one further point :-
Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ September 23rd 2013,20:20:11 ) Two words ... Jan Roca.
This stops the creation of 'Super Rookies', those that win their groups over and over and over and finishing in negative at the end of the season.
It's a very good idea.
last time I was "training a driver" in rookie I completely took the piss out of my group and ran some races at 100CT, just for the craic (cos I knew I didn't stand to lose anything by having this bit of fun). Of course, in hindsight it's quite harsh, but y'know, I doubt i'd be alone at having done that.
Well, if this rule had been there I wouldn't have done that, but the important thing is the positive impact this rule will have on preventing experienced player's - or at least making them think twice - about leaving a trail of noob's distraught at finishing so many laps behind.
The knowledge gap alone is a big enough competitive edge for experienced player's to not need to do that...this new rule isn't just a reference for "super rookies" cos those types will still do that regardless and have no ambition at all to promote, more than anything this rule will stop the mickey taking that most certainly does and has happened.
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ September 25th 2013,20:59:37 ) and lets be honest, unless you score a rediculous amount of points, the penalty is not that big, even as far as 100 points..its only 5m loss overall ( if you forget about the 5m bonus for 17 races)...those "training drivers" and still scoring 100 points in the previous season - starting with 25m instead of 35m is irrelevant and should not be a problem, cos if you got 100 points while "training a driver" then 0CT every race is no problem for that small penalty to be of any significance (imo).
I agree with previous posters saying it's not that huge a penalty really...the more points your score then it stands to reason that you should be playing at a higher level, rather than denying it.
actually may I just add one further point :-
Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ September 23rd 2013,20:20:11 )
Two words ... Jan Roca.
This stops the creation of 'Super Rookies', those that win their groups over and over and over and finishing in negative at the end of the season.
It's a very good idea.
last time I was "training a driver" in rookie I completely took the piss out of my group and ran some races at 100CT, just for the craic (cos I knew I didn't stand to lose anything by having this bit of fun). Of course, in hindsight it's quite harsh, but y'know, I doubt i'd be alone at having done that.
Well, if this rule had been there I wouldn't have done that, but the important thing is the positive impact this rule will have on preventing experienced player's - or at least making them think twice - about leaving a trail of noob's distraught at finishing so many laps behind.
The knowledge gap alone is a big enough competitive edge for experienced player's to not need to do that...this new rule isn't just a reference for "super rookies" cos those types will still do that regardless and have no ambition at all to promote, more than anything this rule will stop the mickey taking that most certainly does and has happened.
Couldn't agree more.
This is a good idea.
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Quote ( Josh Anderson @ September 23rd 2013,20:18:08 ) Every manager who scored more than 50 points during the season and doesn't promote from Rookie (by finishing the season in negative), will start next season with a financial penalty worth $200.000 for every point he scored above 50 points in the previous season.
Does this only affect players who end up in negative with a total of more than 50 points? It seems to only affect managers with a negative balance when you read the rule very carefully.
Can there be total clarification on this. If the penalty affects every manager who earns more than 50 points and doesn't promote even with a positive balance, than the brackets should be removed and the point about the negative balance should be removed.
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#290 lähetetty 25.09.2013, 23:57:14 (viimeksi muokattu 25.09.2013, 23:58:47 Mark Wright toimesta)
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Quote ( Sam Norris @ September 25th 2013,20:22:16 ) i want to race properly in my training season not have to try and not score...
You missed a bit:
"then dump to -25 mil before the last race thus ensuring that some poor sap in 5th place promotes with next to no points having denied those below me of the extra cash for the race positions, fastest laps, sponsor progress and ensuring the top guy that promotes only does so with prize money for coming second".
Nothing personal but that's the whole reason it was brought in regardless of timing. Personally I would have loved to have seen it introduced around Race 15 but that's just my evil sense of humour ;)
Its about time this rule was introduced and it's just a shame it's taken so long having been talked about for seasons before hand.
Luke the answer is in the announcement mate:
(by finishing the season in negative)
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Quote ( Fran Betancort @ September 25th 2013,20:49:58 ) Do you think is fair for the other managers in your group who want to promote that you get the first place and the bonus for that place and not promoting?
Says the guy who scored 102 points in S33 and didn't promote by going into negative!
I agree with the rule, but I also agree with Sam, I think a little warning ( as in "This rule will become effective next season.") would've been fairer than instant implementation.
Quote ( Josh Clark @ September 25th 2013,20:54:08 ) Sadly, it's people like you that have caused this rule to be implemented
And Josh;
S32 3rd in R35 with 70 points and 15 million in debt
S35 2nd in R41 with 80 points and 57 million in debt
Hypocritical, or do you just have a short memory?
Sam's only completed 37 races so just maybe he's following the example of more established players like yourselves.
Now, who is it that's caused this rule to be implemented? Throwing stones in glass houses springs to mind.
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Quote ( Luke Helson @ September 25th 2013,23:53:22 ) Quote ( Josh Anderson @ September 23rd 2013,20:18:08 )
Every manager who scored more than 50 points during the season and doesn't promote from Rookie (by finishing the season in negative), will start next season with a financial penalty worth $200.000 for every point he scored above 50 points in the previous season.
Does this only affect players who end up in negative with a total of more than 50 points? It seems to only affect managers with a negative balance when you read the rule very carefully.
Can there be total clarification on this. If the penalty affects every manager who earns more than 50 points and doesn't promote even with a positive balance, than the brackets should be removed and the point about the negative balance should be removed.
I see no doubt at all. The rule only affects those not promoting due to negative cash balance while having over 50 points.
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i dont think it will make any difference at all?
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Quote ( David Andrewartha @ September 26th 2013,00:07:15 ) Says the guy who scored 102 points in S33 and didn't promote by going into negative!
I finished with no money and I increased the negative to keep my driver. Not all the players who score a lot of points ends in positive. It was a bad managing of my economy from my part, after that season I promoted and haven´t gone down again, just like you, who seems that have only fun beating Rookies.
You have gone into negative many more times than me, but you don´t remember when you did because you are too busy looking what others did to talk about "hypocritical".
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Never in a promoting position and always with less than 50 points Fran, don't distort the facts to defend your shaky position on this issue.
Also, I've been in negative 3 times, and one of those was as a result of retiring, so I make that a total of twice which is exactly the same as you, and not as you say "many more times". You really do have a problem with facts it seems.
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Quote ( David Andrewartha @ September 26th 2013,00:28:23 ) Never in a promoting position and always with less than 50 points Fran, don't distort the facts to defend your shaky position on this issue.
I don´t distort any fact more than you, who accuse without knowing about, is you the one who when gets boring go down to Rookie to get prepared and beat them all again, and again...
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I think you need some sleep Fran, you sound overtired.
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Quote ( David Andrewartha @ September 26th 2013,00:35:13 ) I think you need some sleep Fran, you sound overtired.
It´s you the one bored looking for what others do and forgetting about himself, try to rest a little and if this season in Ama you don´t succeed you can go Rookie...
...again.
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Guys, points have been made, move on?
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Flo use your powers lol :-)
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