| Author |
Topic: [Mafia] - Game of GPRO [GAME OVER] |
5922 replies
|
|
|
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 14th 2014,17:43:24 ) Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ November 14th 2014,17:41:58 )
I was eager to get him lynched before, hence why I brought up Eduardo's comment twice, thinking/hoping someone would notice it.
What makes you think no one noticed it? But it wasn't anywhere near as suspicious as what Vladimir posted.
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,10:51:10 ) Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 14th 2014,17:43:24 )
Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ November 14th 2014,17:41:58 )
I was eager to get him lynched before, hence why I brought up Eduardo's comment twice, thinking/hoping someone would notice it.
What makes you think no one noticed it? But it wasn't anywhere near as suspicious as what Vladimir posted.
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,10:42:59 ) The case against Eduardo wasn't about anything he said
That was in response to Finn pushing the fact Eduardo commented on the lack of kill. It wasn't anywhere near as suspicious as what Vladimir posted, but it was also nothing to do with the reason for voting or lynching Eduardo, so why do you bring it up in that context?
|
|
|
|
I asked why you went from finn to eduardo over vlad. You continually glaze over and ignore vlad asking if you had information to share. A question he asked twice. Tell me kevin... even if someone is protected, what information would they have to share regarding that protection? His question obviously had nothing to do with him asking about your protection.
your reasoning is boiling down to eduardo was blocked and there was no kill. In a large game, that is incredibly weak.
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:01:46 ) I asked why you went from finn to eduardo over vlad.
Which I've explained.
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:01:46 ) You continually glaze over and ignore vlad asking if you had information to share.
I've not glazed over it. Wasn't I the first one to question him on it??
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:01:46 ) Tell me kevin... even if someone is protected, what information would they have to share regarding that protection?
Generally, someone wouldn't know if they were protected.
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:01:46 ) His question obviously had nothing to do with him asking about your protection.
That's the question he accompanied with a smiley? Do tell me why you think he asked then and why you're sure it wasn't a throw away comment.
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:01:46 ) your reasoning is boiling down to eduardo was blocked and there was no kill. In a large game, that is incredibly weak.
Nothing "boiling down to" about it. That is my reason, although you miss out a pretty major part. Eduardo wasn't just blocked, according to Finn and not denied by Eduardo. Eduardo was blocked from performing a kill according to Finn and not denied by Eduardo.
Finn couldn't have known that if he's just a RB or JK, but it's what he accused Eduardo of and Eduardo did not deny, which made it very likely he did have a killing role (as it turned out to be).
Now no kills and someone blocked from performing a kill is not "incredibly weak" regardless of the size of the game.
---
Can I ask why you're pushing me on why I voted Eduardo over Vlad when I wasn't on the Vlad wagon anyway, and not all those that joined the Eduardo wagon, some from the Vlad wagon? Is there a reason for it or just because I'm here to respond?
|
|
|
|
|
Kevin, why were you so eager to blindly trust everything Finn said, considering you know very well he's a muppet and nothing he says can be trusted.
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Krasimir Ivanov @ November 19th 2014,11:16:19 ) Kevin, why were you so eager to blindly trust everything Finn said, considering you know very well he's a muppet and nothing he says can be trusted.
Where have I blindly trusted what Finn said? I didn't trust him and I was voting him before I moved my vote to Eduardo. Eduardo's response and not denying the claims is what led me to believe they were correct; not any trust in Finn.
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Vladimir Tsuverkalov @ November 10th 2014,07:47:03 ) Quote ( Daryl Gee @ November 9th 2014,19:14:34 )
So, Vladimir, you're admitting attacking Kevin and failing?
No, I'm just noting that he explicitely asked for this.
Was it just for self-preservation, or you have something to share, Kevin? Quote ( Vladimir Tsuverkalov @ November 10th 2014,07:49:09 ) Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 9th 2014,19:55:53 )
Vlad, Daryl's already asked what I was going to. Do you know a kill failed or are you trying to get protective roles to reveal themselves?
No, I would prefer them staying under the radar, at least for now.
Do you have any information you want to share with the rest of players?
|
|
|
|
|
Looks a whole lot like he knows something about you kevin.
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:23:15 ) Looks a whole lot like he knows something about you kevin.
Does it? Looks more like he's rolefishing from they posts. What is it you think he knows about me to ask such questions?
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,11:10:59 ) Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:01:46 )
I asked why you went from finn to eduardo over vlad.
Which I've explained.
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:01:46 )
You continually glaze over and ignore vlad asking if you had information to share.
I've not glazed over it. Wasn't I the first one to question him on it??
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:01:46 )
Tell me kevin... even if someone is protected, what information would they have to share regarding that protection?
Generally, someone wouldn't know if they were protected.
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:01:46 )
His question obviously had nothing to do with him asking about your protection.
That's the question he accompanied with a smiley? Do tell me why you think he asked then and why you're sure it wasn't a throw away comment.
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:01:46 )
your reasoning is boiling down to eduardo was blocked and there was no kill. In a large game, that is incredibly weak.
Nothing "boiling down to" about it. That is my reason, although you miss out a pretty major part. Eduardo wasn't just blocked, according to Finn and not denied by Eduardo. Eduardo was blocked from performing a kill according to Finn and not denied by Eduardo.
Finn couldn't have known that if he's just a RB or JK, but it's what he accused Eduardo of and Eduardo did not deny, which made it very likely he did have a killing role (as it turned out to be).
Now no kills and someone blocked from performing a kill is not "incredibly weak" regardless of the size of the game.
---
Can I ask why you're pushing me on why I voted Eduardo over Vlad when I wasn't on the Vlad wagon anyway, and not all those that joined the Eduardo wagon, some from the Vlad wagon? Is there a reason for it or just because I'm here to respond?
Hence we come to my point.
You have been shying away from vlad...
And no... you asked vlad about the protection comment. And each time i bring up these two comments of vlad having some sort of knowledge about you, you brush it off argueing something concerning his protection comment.
The two are seperate.
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,11:24:32 ) Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:23:15 )
Looks a whole lot like he knows something about you kevin.
Does it? Looks more like he's rolefishing from they posts. What is it you think he knows about me to ask such questions?
No clue, but considering your vague references to your role, or connection to another role...... i still question the push for you to share information. Especially at that point (this was before the "mafia likely knows" comment you made this game day) .... and later that game day your comments of "i know i wasnt protected".
No im not asking for you to claim (though i still question the if mafia knows why arent you sharing.... but without knowing your role i have no basis for judging your response to my inquiry on that) .... my point is that you did have something to share.
You later shared it.
But not before vlad made a point of asking if you had something to share.... asking twice no less.
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:32:14 ) .... my point is that you did have something to share.
You later shared it.
But not before vlad made a point of asking if you had something to share.... asking twice no less.
What did I share after Vlad asked twice? You mean the fact I knew I wasn't protected?
How could he possibly know that? And how could he possibly know that I would know that? And why would he say what he did with such knowledge?
I don't understand your line of thinking. Or am I simply not getting something?
|
|
|
|
He wouldnt have to know that you had something to share.
That is a classic "i caught you" statement, especially when repeated twice. In fact I expected him to claim cop... the fact that he hasnt has me even more concerned on the push specifically for you to share information.
At a minimum, he was fishing.
On the other hand... there could be something going on between you two. Especially considering your late push to form a new wagon on eduardo over vlad. (i misspoke earlier btw... it wasnt 12 hours to deadline when i went to bed, it was 10... of no real consequence though)
|
|
|
|
Daniel, I've already said this:
Quote ( Vladimir Tsuverkalov @ November 17th 2014,19:40:47 ) 1. Asking for protection usually means that a person asking is worth it or a scum.
I was deciding should I save my ability for Kevin or not.
How sucky would it be, if I revived Kenny to learn a couple of nights later that Kevin was a cop who had a lot of results which he didn't share?
|
|
|
|
Thats either the biggest bs excuse ive heard so far.
Or im going tonstart calling you eduardo or chew (i havent decided which).... maybe borderline luke.
|
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:44:53 ) That is a classic "i caught you" statement, especially when repeated twice.
As he had nothing to "catch", I'm not surprised that that didn't cross my mind.
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:44:53 ) Especially considering your late push to form a new wagon on eduardo over vlad.
Given the cases against Eduardo and Vlad, I simply don't believe that you think Vlad was a better lynch.
Eduardo accused of having a killing ability blocked and didn't deny it on a night when there were no kills.
Vlad makes a comment that could be implied knowledge that I was attacked or could just be fishing.
You think Vlad was a better lynch? And I was "pushing it" (Eduardo's lynch) but no comment about Finn or Mikko? And then those that joined after my vote (I know Mikko didn't vote him before me, but he certainly made the case) so seemed to agree. Everyone on the Ed lynch can all be scum.
|
|
|
|
Out of game comment.... fully expecting another round of PMs from luke for that one (he doesnt like me using his name in that context)
*waves at luke*
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,11:53:32 ) Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:44:53 )
That is a classic "i caught you" statement, especially when repeated twice.
As he had nothing to "catch", I'm not surprised that that didn't cross my mind.
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:44:53 )
Especially considering your late push to form a new wagon on eduardo over vlad.
Given the cases against Eduardo and Vlad, I simply don't believe that you think Vlad was a better lynch.
Eduardo accused of having a killing ability blocked and didn't deny it on a night when there were no kills.
Vlad makes a comment that could be implied knowledge that I was attacked or could just be fishing.
You think Vlad was a better lynch? And I was "pushing it" (Eduardo's lynch) but no comment about Finn or Mikko? And then those that joined after my vote (I know Mikko didn't vote him before me, but he certainly made the case) so seemed to agree. Everyone on the Ed lynch can all be scum.
Speaking of mikko, you didnt comment on my "the question was not asked" part of mikkos "case".
I guess i should use that squigly thing.
Considering you are quick to catch the flawed "if a then b..... b therefor a" flawed arguements.... why did you believe the:
If vlad mafia.. eduardo mafia
If vlad town.. nothing said about eduardo
Eduardo better lynch
Without the question of
If eduardo town... what said about vlad?
|
|
|
|
|
And no, i didnt say anything about finn because frankly his arguement is stupid.... especially with his later statements of how he "forgot" how roleblocker worked.
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,11:58:12 ) If vlad mafia.. eduardo mafia
If vlad town.. nothing said about eduardo
Eduardo better lynch
Without the question of
If eduardo town... what said about vlad?
The question is irrelevant.
If Vlad is town it says nothing about Eduardo and if Eduardo is town it says nothing about Vlad, specifically (both don't take account voting pattern info in the future).
I don't see the relevance to the case against Eduardo.
What Mikko presented was the possible link given the reasons for their wagon (Vlad's possible implied knowledge combined with Ed's blocked kill attempt and no deaths that night).
Nice avoiding of the question though, Daniel. Ultimately, the case came down to what I just said. Yet you seem to have an issue with me voting Eduardo over Vlad, but I, and others, clearly saw the case on Eduardo as much stronger.
Maybe you could answer the questions I asked on that (that's the ones with the squiggly things at the end such us "You think Vlad was a better lynch?")
|
|
|
|
Already said i would have supported a vlad lynch over eduardo even after seeing the case.
Ok, apologies... maybe you were not good at connecting the dots.
Earlier you asked if i woukd have moved my vote to eduardo based on the case.
To which i replied "off vlad?... no"
Obviously meaning i would not move my vote off vlad to eduardo for the lynch based on the case (no lynch situations aside of course). Therefore: i would still have supported vlad lynch over eduardo... as his flip would have answered some of these concerns i have about you and him..... whereas an eduardo flip... either way... would not clear or incriminate anyone.
so why ask the same question twice? Or are you just being pendantic?
|
|
|
|
Official Vote Count #3.2(up to Post #2661)
Andi - 0 ()
Chew - 0 ()
Daniel - 0 ()
Daryl - 0 ()
Finn - 2 (Jimmy, Kevin)
Francois - 0 ()
Jack - 0 ()
Janne - 0 ()
Jimmy - 0 ()
Kevin - 1 (Krasimir)
Kirsty - 0 ()
Krasimir - 1 (Vladimir)
Marvin - 0 ()
Michał - 0 ()
Mike - 0 ()
Mikko - 0 ()
Noel - 0 ()
Shoaib - 0 ()
Vladimir - 7 (Jack, Andi, Noel, Janne, Marvin, Chew, Finn)
No Lynch - 0 ()
Still to vote - Daniel, Daryl, Francois, Michał, Mike, Mikko, Shoaib, Unknown
With 19 Players alive, it will normally take 10 votes to reach Instalynch. You must have a vote in place at the deadline if Instalynch is not reached.
The current deadline is Friday, 21st of November 2014 at 22:00:00 CET
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Sorry. Missed that earlier comment. You did answer.
|
|
|
|
The next question in mikkos line of arguement... after "if ed town what vlad" is
If ed mafia.... what about vlad?
|
|
|
|
|
Ed flipped town. Is there a point in going over scenarios that we know are not the case?
|
|
|
|
|
Because it shows very obvious flaws in the arguement which supposedly convinced you to push a wagon that had a single vote... 6 hours from deadline.
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,12:30:20 ) Because it shows very obvious flaws in the arguement which supposedly convinced you to push a wagon that had a single vote... 6 hours from deadline.
How is it a flaw? Mikko basically pointed out that Eduardo is more likely to flip mafia than Vlad. If Vlad was mafia then Eduardo is likely mafia too, but Eduardo could be mafia regardless of Vlad's alignment.
One or the other flipping town doesn't incriminate the other and isn't relevant to the point that was being made.
Given that Ed had not denied the accusation of having a killing role and being blocked on a night when there was no kill, I can't see how anyone can consider Vlad a better lynch option.
You pushing the "if town" argument as if it was the slightest bit relevant astounds me.
|
|
|
|
Point being.... by mikkos logic.... ignoring his flawed conclusion.... vlad was the better lynch.
I repeat his logic (paraphrased and extended by comments mark **).
If
Vlad mafia ... eduardo mafia
vlad town ... nothing about eduardo
eduardo town ... nothing about vlad **
eduardo mafia ... nothing about vlad **
Vlad mafia
Vlad interest kevin protection
Killer blocked
Ed blocked
edi must be killer
By such logic.... vlad is a better lynch candidate... as it is establish (in this logic) that vlad flipping mafia is the only combination to gain a tell on the alignment of the other.
Vlads interest in protection is what raises concerns on eduardo.... by these two combinations.... lynching vlad would have just as high chance of hitting mafia... and if it did.. would (by this logic) reveal a secon mafia.
This os of course a line of thought based on pre eduardo flip... which turned out to be town... which still said nothing about vlad.
So even looking at it without the onowledge of the flip, the logic that eduardo is the best lynch is terribly flawed, but it convinced you?
|
|
|
|
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,12:41:51 ) So even looking at it without the onowledge of the flip, the logic that eduardo is the best lynch is terribly flawed, but it convinced you?
For me, it wasn't about the "if" logic you continue to push. Quite simply, and most importantly...
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,12:36:07 ) Mikko basically pointed out that Eduardo is more likely to flip mafia than Vlad.
And that's why Eduardo was the best lynch. Not for information lynch purposes, but for the likelihood of actually flipping mafia.
---
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ November 19th 2014,12:41:51 ) Vlads interest in protection is what raises concerns on eduardo.
That's crap. It creates a potential link, but it is not the case on Eduardo at all. Without Vlad's comment, the case against Eduardo would be the same.
|
|
|
|
|
His (paraphrased) words, not mine lol
|
|
Deutsch
Español
Română
Italiano
Português
Português
Français
Polski
Русский
Български
Македонски
Српски
Nederlands
Vlaams
Suomi
Lietuvių
Čeština
Magyar
Eesti keel
Slovenčina
Türkçe
Shqip
Ελληνικά
Hrvatski
Bahasa Melayu
Dansk
Pirate
