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Topic: [Mafia] - Game of GPRO [GAME OVER] |
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Fine, lets make this very simple then.
Michal, did you or did you not make a breadcrumb in post #2251?
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Quote ( Krasimir Ivanov @ November 19th 2014,14:59:31 ) Michal, did you or did you not make a breadcrumb in post #2251?
Why is that relevant?
That's my point about what he's posted later being irrelevant. I interpreted it as a breadcrumb for the reasons stated. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but being wrong doesn't change how I interpreted it at the time.
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Is there any reason it should be confirmed beyond doubt in thread if it is a cop breadcrumb or not? Does that benefit anyone but scum?
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We're currently about to lynch Vladimir today so if Michal has an innocent result on him I'd say that is very relevant.
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Quote ( Krasimir Ivanov @ November 19th 2014,15:11:18 ) We're currently about to lynch Vladimir today so if Michal has an innocent result on him I'd say that is very relevant.
Why? It doesn't clear him of being a Godfather and it's very unlikely that Michal could be certain of his sanity if he is a cop, so a flip of someone he has investigated isn't a bad thing going forward.
There's a difference in scum believing he might be a cop and having him confirm he's a cop, wouldn't you say?
Is Vlad a Godfather, Krasimir?
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,15:20:26 ) Is Vlad a Godfather, Krasimir?
I'm certain you know very well what Vladimir's role is, Kevin. Your persistence in trying to shut down the topic only reinforces my belief that you 3 are mafia.
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Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ November 19th 2014,13:54:14 ) Why did you so badly want to keep Eduardo alive?
I don't recall ever even stating whether I supported an Eduardo lynch or not. I just saw people were talking about his NK abilities and was confused because I didn't see a claim.
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It was not a breadcrumb nor soft claim
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Quote ( Krasimir Ivanov @ November 19th 2014,15:26:40 ) I'm certain you know very well what Vladimir's role is, Kevin. Your persistence in trying to shut down the topic only reinforces my belief that you 3 are mafia.
That doesn't even make sense.
So I believe Vlad to be scum and should be lynched today. I'm trying to avoid Michal outright confirming if he is a cop or not, while you are trying to get him to do so.
If Michal is a cop with an innocent on Vlad or is scum faking a cop innocent on Vlad, why would I want to "shut the topic down"?
If you believe that we are all scum together, then you won't believe what he says anyway. If he is actually a cop, then him confirming or not confirming only benefits scum at this time.
Nice avoiding of the difficult question again, Krasimir. It didn't go unnoticed.
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,15:20:26 ) Quote ( Krasimir Ivanov @ November 19th 2014,15:11:18 )
We're currently about to lynch Vladimir today so if Michal has an innocent result on him I'd say that is very relevant.
Why? It doesn't clear him of being a Godfather and it's very unlikely that Michal could be certain of his sanity if he is a cop, so a flip of someone he has investigated isn't a bad thing going forward.
You can't give an answer to back up your stance so just throw some attack and accusation out there to distract from it.
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Quote ( Michał Kożuchowski @ November 19th 2014,15:34:35 ) It was not a breadcrumb nor soft claim
Just as I thought then.
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,14:24:16 ) Jack made it clear, which was about as smart as my clumsy unvote which did make it obvious and I shouldn't have done
Damage was done frankly Kevin.
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Quote ( Jack Benson @ November 19th 2014,15:44:35 ) Damage was done frankly Kevin.
Quite possibly. But I couldn't take it back once I did it (although Michal is saying I was wrong).
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Quote ( Krasimir Ivanov @ November 19th 2014,15:41:25 ) Just as I thought then. Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,15:04:14 ) Why is that relevant?
That's my point about what he's posted later being irrelevant. I interpreted it as a breadcrumb for the reasons stated. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but being wrong doesn't change how I interpreted it at the time.
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,15:34:41 ) Nice avoiding of the difficult question again, Krasimir. It didn't go unnoticed.
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Quote ( Jack Benson @ November 19th 2014,15:44:35 ) Damage was done frankly Kevin.
Had Michal really breadcrumbed the damage would've been done the moment Kevin so gracefully quoted his post and unvoted. That's a major point against Kevin as he's smart enough not to let everyone see a breadcrumb.
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Quote ( Krasimir Ivanov @ November 19th 2014,15:52:07 ) quoted his post
For the record, I never quoted his post. I just said that Michal seemed confident and unvoted. Don't let facts get in the way of accusations though, Krasimir.
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My mistake then, which doesn't make my point any less valid. You made it perfectly clear why you're unvoting.
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In honesty why are we discussing Michal again? It should have been left at me pointing out to Kevin how clumsy he had been (in retrospect doing so was also a bit clumsy).
We are not discussing Michal's alignment at all only his role, which can only be damaging if he is town and irrelevant if he is scum.
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I did. It was clumsy and I shouldn't have done it.
Nice to see Krasimir's back to the "kevin is a strong player" argument after the "Kevin's playing stupid argument" that would be the case of the three of Michal, Vlad and me working together.
Also funny to see Krasimir so happily believe what Michal said when he believes we're scum together so can't trust him and believes I could have told him what to say as we'd share a QT.
Town arguments are generally a lot more consistent than that Krasimir. You're just saying whatever fits at the time to label me as scummy.
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There's too much uncertainty to have anything but a Vlad lynch today, but Krasimir has moved himself from my "leaning scum" list to my probably scum list.
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##Unvote Finn
##Vote Vladimir
That's L-2, potentially L-1 with "unknown".
Finn, I asked you a question (#2692) and you've posted elsewhere since. Any chance of answering it?
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,16:02:37 ) That's L-2, potentially L-1 with "unknown".
Actually, that's L-1, or potentially Insta if Unknown have voted me.
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,14:15:58 ) So you think Jack is mafia because he didn't want to lynch Eduardo (who was town) but did want to lynch Vlad (who you think is mafia)?
That about right?
I don't necessarily think Vlad is scum. I don't believe his claim but he's been playing in such a way to suggest he isn't scum and is fighting with everybody. I'm thinking third party
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ November 19th 2014,14:15:58 ) And can you point me to the posts where he "badly wanted to keep Eduardo alive"? I remember him not getting the case against him, but from someone who claims to not know how a roleblocker works and forgets a claim of the top lynch candidate, despite discussing it, it's a bit rich stating that Jack must have understood the case simply because it had been presented.
that's exactly what it was, the case had been presented a few days before and he only protested it when Eduardo was picking up votes. I don't know how you can compare that with me just being stupid and not knowing how roleblockers work?
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Quote ( Jack Benson @ November 19th 2014,15:57:33 ) In honesty why are we discussing Michal again? It should have been left at me pointing out to Kevin how clumsy he had been (in retrospect doing so was also a bit clumsy).
We are not discussing Michal's alignment at all only his role, which can only be damaging if he is town and irrelevant if he is scum.
Jack, you're not reading the thread.
We're not discussing Michal at all. We're discussing Kevin pretending to see a breadcrumb when it was obvious to anyone with more than 2 brain cells that there was no breadcrumb at all.
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Official Vote Count #3.3(up to Post #2723)
Andi - 1 (Unknown)
Chew - 0 ()
Daniel - 0 ()
Daryl - 0 ()
Finn - 1 (Jimmy)
Francois - 0 ()
Jack - 0 ()
Janne - 0 ()
Jimmy - 0 ()
Kevin - 2 (Krasimir, Finn)
Kirsty - 0 ()
Krasimir - 1 (Vladimir)
Marvin - 0 ()
Michał - 0 ()
Mike - 0 ()
Mikko - 0 ()
Noel - 0 ()
Shoaib - 0 ()
Vladimir - 8 (Jack, Andi, Noel, Janne, Marvin, Chew, Francois, Kevin)
No Lynch - 0 ()
Still to vote - Daniel, Daryl, Michał, Mike, Mikko, Shoaib
With 19 Players alive, it will normally take 10 votes to reach Instalynch. You must have a vote in place at the deadline if Instalynch is not reached.
The current deadline is Friday, 21st of November 2014 at 22:00:00 CET
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l-2, if you are scum, and you know a buddy has the double vote and isn't on the Vlad wagon, you just ensured his lynch.
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Quote ( Vladimir Tsuverkalov @ November 19th 2014,16:07:19 ) Actually, that's L-1, or potentially Insta if Unknown have voted me.
No, it's not. With my vote you're on 8.
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Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ November 19th 2014,16:07:58 ) I don't necessarily think Vlad is scum. I don't believe his claim but he's been playing in such a way to suggest he isn't scum and is fighting with everybody. I'm thinking third party
Do we need to do this again.
Scum = All non-town; mafia and TP
Mafia are all scum, not all scum are mafia
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Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ November 19th 2014,16:07:58 ) that's exactly what it was, the case had been presented a few days before and he only protested it when Eduardo was picking up votes. I don't know how you can compare that with me just being stupid and not knowing how roleblockers work?
He claims to not seen Eduardo claim a night action, although it had been covered. You claimed to not know what Vlad had claimed despite having a bloody conversation about it!!
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Quote ( Krasimir Ivanov @ November 19th 2014,16:08:39 ) We're discussing Kevin pretending to see a breadcrumb when it was obvious to anyone with more than 2 brain cells that there was no breadcrumb at all.
Back to the "Kevin is stupid" attack, I see. You're funny, Krasimir.
(And that's ignoring the fact you think Michal is my buddy)
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