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Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ June 7th 2016,13:51:39 ) If you can't afford it you need to take more care. I know because I don't support :) If some idiots make mistakes with parts after confirmation, well, I don't see a problem why admins shouldn't benefit from them
Ok i will give you an example.
Let's say the 2 of us are fighting for the Elite championship.
Last race of the season, you lead by 2 points we both make a mistake in the upgrade part, i can afford the undo, you can't and leave it like that. In the end i win the championship by 1 point. do you think i won the championship fair and square?
Quote ( Egon Blissi @ June 7th 2016,13:54:53 ) BTW Vlad, thanks for asking, it's always refreshing when the developer of the game asks the community.
I agree on that one
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Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ June 7th 2016,14:08:16 ) Let's say the 2 of us are fighting for the Elite championship.
Last race of the season, you lead by 2 points we both make a mistake in the upgrade part, i can afford the undo, you can't and leave it like that. In the end i win the championship by 1 point. do you think i won the championship fair and square? My answer is "Yes". Although the championship should end up in hands of the third that does not commit silly errors
for the person that disliked my post, I don't know who you're, but I will find you, and I will kill you
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#213 posted Jun 7th 2016, 17:03:38 (last edited Jun 7th 2016, 17:04:04 by Lee Ifans)
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The fact that people are arguing against this highlights everything bad about this forum. So many people are contrarian for the sake of it. The game is inherently challenging with or without this feature.
If you can undo a mistake off the track right after you made it that is just an improvement to the user experience so it's a good idea. I'd rather beat other managers on the track rather than with accurate clicks of the mouse button.
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Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ June 7th 2016,14:08:16 ) Let's say the 2 of us are fighting for the Elite championship.
Funny post of the season :-)
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Quote ( Lee Ifans @ June 7th 2016,17:03:38 ) The fact that people are arguing against this highlights everything bad about this forum. lol, not that, the other stuff
it's debate whether it's OK to implement the feature in this shape or not, none gets too emotional about it
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I really don't think the majority is against this.
The majority is against it being a supporter only feature, or that you have to pay for it (yes it beats the possibility of generating income) since it would provide a game advantage to those who are not supporters or can't pay.
Also there is no discussion, i think, that this undo can only be done if no other action has been made (testing, training, qualifying, etc.)
I do believe that the discussion here should center on:
How many times per season (or seasons) are you allowed to do the undo.
IMHO being unlimited or various times per season will reward carelessness, while make it limited will allow you to recover from a career damaging error.
My other concern is that this should not open the door to correct other errors, such as fuel load, tyres, qualys, practice/test laps), specially if it is a paid feature.
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#217 posted Jun 7th 2016, 17:51:45 (last edited Jun 7th 2016, 17:51:53 by Lee Ifans)
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I don't see any reason for it to be a supporter feature. This will surely help user retention which is very important. You can't turn non-supporters into supporters if they leave in a huff never to return.
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Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ June 7th 2016,17:23:33 ) The majority is against it being a supporter only feature, or that you have to pay for it (yes it beats the possibility of generating income) since it would provide a game advantage to those who are not supporters or can't pay.
It wouldn't be a performance advantage, it's not like you are getting a boost to driver training or extra fast tyres, those would be a genuine advantage which GPRO doesn't wish to go down.
It's basically giving those that support the game an extra benefit on those very rare occasions they are careless with one tiny aspect of the game.
I agree with Lee on this :-)
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Quote ( David Rolleston @ June 7th 2016,18:04:25 ) Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ June 7th 2016,17:23:33 )
The majority is against it being a supporter only feature, or that you have to pay for it (yes it beats the possibility of generating income) since it would provide a game advantage to those who are not supporters or can't pay.
It wouldn't be a performance advantage, it's not like you are getting a boost to driver training or extra fast tyres, those would be a genuine advantage which GPRO doesn't wish to go down.
It's basically giving those that support the game an extra benefit on those very rare occasions they are careless with one tiny aspect of the game.
I agree with Lee on this :-)
It's not direct advantage but advantage non the less
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Quote ( David Rolleston @ June 7th 2016,18:04:25 ) It wouldn't be a performance advantage
Imo it is always. Its unlikely you undo an up/dwgrade for doing worse... and that is why it is!
Quote ( David Rolleston @ June 7th 2016,18:04:25 ) It's basically giving those that support the game an extra benefit on those very rare occasions they are careless with one tiny aspect of the game.I agree with Lee on this :-)
I Always intended the supporter status as my support for the game and for their brilliant developers, not for correcting my mistakes. If the latter is so needed for what previously said, a 5 pos grid penalization, as said by Winkley, still remain my the best option as well.
And still will support the game for its developement
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Quote ( Jon Day @ June 7th 2016,10:56:43 ) Quote ( Michael Winkley @ June 6th 2016,20:16:34 )
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I wasn't making a mountain out of a molehill, but if I tried to then this text formatting wouldn't have allowed me to.
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ June 6th 2016,20:16:34 ) . molehill
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You dont have to read it you arrogant Di ck.
We have been asked to contribute our opinions.... if you cant contribute.... DONT
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Quote ( Vladimir Alexandrov @ June 4th 2016,12:04:05 ) what is the general opinion if this was implemented? Give me some thoughts and thumbs.
Retired managers have a say ? :)
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Quite like the grid penalty idea tbh so there is some downside to the undo.
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Does it matter if its a feature or not ?
If a manager is 100% sure before he/she clicks then it will cost them nothing either way. Let those that cant/dont make sure before they click have an option to undo it at a cost . The thing i wonder about adding this feature is may it mean it will then become more time consuming as managers suggest other game features that need adding and start complaining about them instead. Where will it end?
Its a managing game at the end of the day. Managers all over the world make mistakes,wouldnt it be an ideal world if they could go back to yesterday and change theyre mistake?
Even add more features like this but maybe some managers actually plan that some managers might make mistakes like this, or at least wouldnt be where they are now if that other manager didnt make that mistake.
It is at the end of the day an..."If youre not 100% sure then buy youre 100% sure". Isnt it?
I dont know,its borderline for me. I like it the way it is. Manage.
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Quote ( Alin Costrasuc @ June 8th 2016,23:25:44 ) Retired managers have a say ? :)
NNNNOOOOOO :D
On serious note, why not? I think Vlad wants as much people as possible to give their opinion
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Quote ( Robert Kearney @ June 8th 2016,23:24:35 ) Quote ( Michael Winkley @ June 6th 2016,20:16:34 )
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You dont have to read it you arrogant Di ck.
We have been asked to contribute our opinions.... if you cant contribute.... DONT
I have contributed. Did you not read the thread?
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Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ June 7th 2016,14:08:16 ) Ok i will give you an example.
Let's say the 2 of us are fighting for the Elite championship.
Last race of the season, you lead by 2 points we both make a mistake in the upgrade part, i can afford the undo, you can't and leave it like that. In the end i win the championship by 1 point. do you think i won the championship fair and square?
I suspect it will be such a small amount that anyone who can afford a computer and internet access to play this game will be able to afford to pay...... making this an almost completely invalid argument
Quote ( Lee Ifans @ June 7th 2016,17:03:38 ) The fact that people are arguing against this highlights everything bad about this forum. So many people are contrarian for the sake of it. The game is inherently challenging with or without this feature.
If you can undo a mistake off the track right after you made it that is just an improvement to the user experience so it's a good idea. I'd rather beat other managers on the track rather than with accurate clicks of the mouse button.
Wholeheartedly agree Lee. Many people here as you described
Bring it on Vlad, as I said before if it will save you hassle and stop people getting in a huff and leaving then it is worth doing for sure. I have seen reasons here why people wouldn't want it but what I haven't seen is a solid argument that it would detract from the game in any significant way
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I saw a post in this thread. It said something like "why complicate things? Input an undo button free of charge, on condition that no other changes have been made".
All of the essays here are essentially drivel.
It seems that the guys in P12 just get straight to the point.
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Thanks everyone for the feedback.
From what I've read, most concerns are towards this being implemented as a supporter only feature so my response is mainly directed to address these concerns.
The game needs additional supporter features in order to stay sustainable and I consider this feature to be the kind of features that are handy to have, but don't give any direct advantage to supporters compared to regular players. This is not a pay-to-win feature.
Yes, you could give me an example that two players who fight for the championship could do the same mistake and the one who is able to use this feature wins, but this is such a situation that will never happen in reality. You could use the same logic to say that "Confirmation in case the wrong weather tyres are selected in Q1, Q2 or the race setup" is also a pay-to-win feature. Imagine the two championship contenders are both tired, select the wrong tyres and the one who is supporter gets warned about the choice, corrects the mistake and wins. Another example with the same logic, the feature "Possibility to search for drivers and sort them by their skills on the markets": our championship contenders have to make a last minute bid on the market and the one who is a supporter uses the feature to find the perfect driver and win the championship with him. You could brand pretty much all of the supporter features as pay-to-win using this kind of logic.
What is a pay-to-win feature then? Here are some examples:
- buy in-game money with supporter credits
- have faster conversion of testing points
- run additonal practice laps
- get additional stategy options for the race
See the difference? The above are examples of supporter features that will never find their way into the game.
But harmless mistake cover features for which there is no way that you could gain direct advantage by simply having access to and using the feature alone are something which I consider can fit into the game, without changing its basic foundations.
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Quote ( Vladimir Alexandrov @ June 10th 2016,12:21:19 ) From what I've read, most concerns are towards this being implemented as a supporter only feature so my response is mainly directed to address these concerns. The game needs additional supporter features in order to stay sustainable and I consider this feature to be the kind of features that are handy to have, but don't give any direct advantage to supporters compared to regular players. This is not a pay-to-win feature. ...
I don't mind if it's gonna be a supporter only feature. (the reasons above)
I just mind if it's gonna be free for everyone.
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Quote ( Vladimir Alexandrov @ June 10th 2016,12:21:19 ) This is not a pay-to-win feature.
Obviously. It isn't. It's pay-to-not-loose.
But it's only MVHO. You're the boss.
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Quote ( Ahmet Sonverdi @ June 4th 2016,14:28:18 ) This not a "have advantage" feature. This is just a covering feature to those who might make mistakes. Quote ( Ahmet Sonverdi @ June 4th 2016,14:40:51 ) Its just a cover for mistakes. Quote ( Ahmet Sonverdi @ June 4th 2016,14:28:18 ) its not making it "pay-to-win"
Quote ( Vladimir Alexandrov @ June 10th 2016,12:21:19 ) I consider this feature to be the kind of features that are handy to have, but don't give any direct advantage to supporters compared to regular players. This is not a pay-to-win feature. Quote ( Vladimir Alexandrov @ June 10th 2016,12:21:19 ) harmless mistake cover features for which there is no way that you could gain direct advantage by simply having access to and using the feature alone are something which I consider can fit into the game
Thank you very much.
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I can see Vlads reasoning .
He needs more supporters and therefore making this a supporter only feature hes hoping this will make more take out supporter credits.
I hope it works because the supporter % is low.
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Quote ( Vladimir Alexandrov @ June 10th 2016,12:21:19 ) The game needs additional supporter features in order to stay sustainable and I consider this feature to be the kind of features that are handy to have, but don't give any direct advantage to supporters compared to regular players.
It does give an advantage though, a substantial one. But that`s just me.
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Quote ( Tomek Kiełpiński @ June 10th 2016,12:42:23 ) Obviously. It isn't. It's pay-to-not-loose.
But it's only MVHO. You're the boss.
Agree.
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if there is any chance this is going to be implemented then it should be pay for your mistake thing. it should be for supporters as well as non supporters. everyone will have to pay from their pile of real cash for the mistake that they want to revert. everyone should accept this model i think.
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have you ever thought about making a break of 15 days in August ?
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Upgrade looks sick as duck love it :)
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Quote ( Dario Leonelli @ June 15th 2016,18:42:54 ) have you ever thought about making a break of 15 days in August ?
What does this have to do with this topic?
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