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#1 posted Aug 12th 2019, 14:00:22
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Looks like Albon and Gasly swap is already a done deal.
Good for Albon for sure.
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#2 posted Aug 12th 2019, 14:42:10 (last edited Aug 12th 2019, 14:42:42 by Kyle Morris)
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Good for Albon
Bad for Gasly
Bad for Red Bull in terms of integrity
Bad because if Albon performs like Gasly then we are back to square one
Bad for Kvyat as now it seems he is there just to warm the seat for someone
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Honestly, I think Red Bull is using this to put pressure on Kvyat to get better results and trying to get Toro Rosso 4th place in the constructors and also seing how Albon works in Red Bull while giving full title focus to Verstappen, they'll hold of the big decision until 2020
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I don't think they give a damn about Toro Rosso's standings position. If the results of this season play a part, then it's because they expect Albon to do better (can't really do worse anyway) and they need the points to get 2nd place in the constructors, ahead of Ferrari.
I also think Red Bull understands that Gasly's driving style does not match the car, and Gasly currently lacks the ability and/or experience to adjust his style to the car. That does not necessarily mean he has no future in F1 though. Possibly Red Bull already know that Albon will do a better job in that car just because his driving style is a better match for it. I don't know how Albon drives, but I'd actually be surprised if this wasn't the case.
Their press release says they want to examine their options for 2020 so I suppose that's exactly what they are doing. That also means Kvyat still has a chance too, but they want to throw Albon out in the deep end to see how well he can swim. They already know Kvyat better.
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#5 posted Aug 12th 2019, 16:55:16
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Kvyat has been to RB so they probably know what he can do. But as last time Vettel was whining about his mistakes he was demoted... So I think if Albon can't really perform there either then it will be Kvyat next to Max next season.
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#6 posted Aug 13th 2019, 10:14:13
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No big surprise, there was a rumour about this since 3 or 4 races ago
Great promotion and opportunity for Albon
Right from the start of the season Marko is no fan of Gasly
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#7 posted Aug 13th 2019, 11:55:57
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Quote ( Marc Meuleman @ August 13th 2019,10:14:13 ) No big surprise, there was a rumour about this since 3 or 4 races ago
Great promotion and opportunity for Albon
Right from the start of the season Marko is no fan of Gasly
Whn you crash out twice in testing and then fail to get out of Q1 in the first race I don't see what Marko could have been a fan of.
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#8 posted Aug 13th 2019, 12:32:35
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I feel sad for Gasly, he's a nice guy. And I hope this doesn't turn into another meat grinder for Albon
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#9 posted Aug 13th 2019, 13:41:19
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Quote ( Kyle Morris @ August 12th 2019,14:42:10 ) Good for Albon
Bad for Gasly
Bad for Red Bull in terms of integrity
Bad because if Albon performs like Gasly then we are back to square one
Bad for Kvyat as now it seems he is there just to warm the seat for someone
Absolutely terrible PR decision from Red Bull. You can't have one person saying one thing and then someone else overruling that. I can see where they're coming from in terms of Gasly's performances, but it just seems reckless that they resort to mid season driver swaps whenever they feel like it. It's unprofessional, and to be honest, it's hard supporting a team who treats their drivers like this. Not to discredit Verstappen in any way, he totally deserves the respect he's getting, but it seems the team are madly in love with him and expect any driver they sign to compete at his level. When you set the bar that high it's no wonder Gasly had no chance.
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#10 posted Aug 13th 2019, 14:07:09
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F1 is a business first and foremost. In a business, if someone's consistently not hitting their targets, they're gone.
I don't like this either though. I do feel bad for Gasly, but he needed to go. Now or at the end of this season, he shouldn't be taking up that top seat.
What I don't like though is I don't see how moving a rookie to Red Bull is a better idea. Albon barely had a chance to remember his team staff's names and all the buttons on his wheel before he's karted over to a new environment. I really like Albon and I don't want to see he demolished by Verstappen like Gasly was, and even if he is a very good driver, that's the only scenario I can see happening. I'd love to be proven wrong, but you can't expect a driver with minimal F1 experience and no significant career highlights to match Verstappen. At least Gasly won F2.
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#11 posted Aug 13th 2019, 14:30:12
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ August 13th 2019,13:41:19 ) Absolutely terrible PR decision from Red Bull. You can't have one person saying one thing and then someone else overruling that. I can see where they're coming from in terms of Gasly's performances, but it just seems reckless that they resort to mid season driver swaps whenever they feel like it. It's unprofessional, and to be honest, it's hard supporting a team who treats their drivers like this. Not to discredit Verstappen in any way, he totally deserves the respect he's getting, but it seems the team are madly in love with him and expect any driver they sign to compete at his level. When you set the bar that high it's no wonder Gasly had no chance.
I am quite sure they are not setting the bar that high. Gasly was not just getting beaten by Verstappen, he was getting lapped by him on more than one occasion. If he could stay within 30 seconds of Verstappen, I don't think he'd have been in trouble.
About the way they treat their drivers, there is nothing new here. Red Bull's strategy is to try out many different things. If they find something that works, fine, if not, put it in the trash. They don't only do it to drivers, also to suppliers. You are right it is difficult to like a team like that, that's why they don't have many fans. But occasionally they find a winning combination and that's all they're after, because that's what boosts their energy drink sales.
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#12 posted Aug 13th 2019, 15:07:25
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I already said I understood where Red Bull are coming from, but there's no denying this is very bad PR and they need to understand they won't be producing any more stars of the future if they constantly compare all of their drivers to Max Verstappen. Their arrogance is clear, no matter how badly Gasly was performing. F1 has never been about trial and error, from a motivational and operations standpoint that would be suicide. It's only because the management sees F1 as purely a marketing activity that they are effective as they are.
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#13 posted Aug 13th 2019, 15:25:08
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Trial and error has brought them Renault V8 engines and Sebastian Vettel, a combination that won 4 double championships. I don't think armchair specialists such as ourselves are in a position to tell them their approach doesn't work.
And like I said, I don't think they are looking for a driver who can compete with Verstappen. They don't expect that from Albon and neither did they expect it from Gasly. However they do want a driver who can at least be clean ahead of the midfield instead of getting dragged into battles with the McLarens...
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#14 posted Aug 13th 2019, 15:45:03
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tbh all of this talk about drivers who can't keep up with verstappen makes me rate Ricciardo even higher, and disappointed to see him struggling in the Renault. He was always one to bring it to these extremely high-rated drivers like Verstappen and Vettel, never once letting either of them run away with the #1 spot in the team. He has to be the best driver on the grid not in a top car right now. And I can think of a couple in top cars that are definitely worse than him.
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#15 posted Aug 14th 2019, 07:28:02
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I don't see how Albon will be "demolished" by RB/Max like what happened to Gasly. I am sure RB see Albon's capability and being mega confidant over their observation before making such an drastic decision in the mid season.
Gasly was not demolished by RB, he is obviously not being able to deliver the full potential of RB's car. In this situation, no one cant blame RB fro dropping Gasly. They are having a 2nd best car over the field, of course they want to be the 2nd ranking constructor, or even the 1st.
RB simply want to finish above Ferrari within whatever they can do, that's the racing mentality, why blame them?
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#16 posted Aug 14th 2019, 12:13:08
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Because a driver's career is not made in half a season. Should McLaren have dumped Hamilton because he had a few poor races in 2011?
The point is Red Bull doesn't care about their drivers' careers, they just care about finding a way for the team to win. Drivers are nothing more than an interchangeable commodity to them. It may be an effective approach but don't be surprised if it leads to lots of raised eyebrows.
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#17 posted Aug 14th 2019, 13:04:35 (last edited Aug 14th 2019, 13:05:51 by Lyee Chong)
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I don't agree. Gasly had his change, but he can't blow it big, he can't blame anyone, let alone we all the third party. No one owes him a thing when he can't delivered. As oppose, he owes RB some proper results.
Talking about taking care potential drivers' careers, RB have development teams, it is where Gasly is right now.
Harsh, but that's real life.
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#18 posted Aug 29th 2019, 12:14:55
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So not only has the Calendar been announced but Bottas is retained for 2020
Might mean Ocon to Renault and Hulkenburg to Haas then
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anyone has a link to the RB press-conference? i been searching when they made it official but could not find it, TNX!
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Ocon to Renault confirmed, gonna be interesting to see how he matches up with Danny Ric.
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#21 posted Aug 29th 2019, 14:40:24
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#22 posted Aug 29th 2019, 15:12:50
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Quote ( Andre Verhoek @ August 29th 2019,14:40:24 ) Quote ( Eugen Kovacs @ August 29th 2019,13:40:59 )
anyone has a link to the RB press-conference? i been searching when they made it official but could not find it, TNX!
12th of August: https://redbullracing.redbull.com/article/alex-joins-team
Not sure they made a press conference though
isn't there a video?
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#23 posted Aug 29th 2019, 15:45:47
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Quote ( Jed Howorth @ August 29th 2019,14:30:06 ) Ocon to Renault confirmed, gonna be interesting to see how he matches up with Danny Ric.
I predict Dani Ric will beat him convincingly meaning that Bottas' eventual replacement at Mercedes will be George Russell.
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#24 posted Aug 29th 2019, 15:49:28
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While his departure has not been confirmed, I would be surprised if Ocon is still part of the Mercedes driver programme now. So yes, the choice for Bottas is also a choice for Russell at the same time.
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#25 posted Aug 29th 2019, 16:10:00
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Quote ( Sam Wainwright @ August 29th 2019,15:45:47 ) Quote ( Jed Howorth @ August 29th 2019,14:30:06 )
Ocon to Renault confirmed, gonna be interesting to see how he matches up with Danny Ric.
I predict Dani Ric will beat him convincingly meaning that Bottas' eventual replacement at Mercedes will be George Russell.
Bottas confirmed by Mercedes for 2020.
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So Grosjean is gone and Hulkenberg moves to Haas unless they grab Fittipaldi
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#27 posted Aug 29th 2019, 18:17:03
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Fittipaldi is in F3 he is nowhere near ready. Itll be Hulkenberg
Which means yes the potential F2 champion (De Vrijs) wont have an F1 drive
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#28 posted Aug 29th 2019, 18:45:31
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A Fittipaldi in F3? Whose cousin or nephew is he?
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#29 posted Aug 30th 2019, 13:06:35
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Vettel quickest.
Albon meets the expectation.
Cant wait for the race!!
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#30 posted Aug 30th 2019, 16:45:19
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ August 30th 2019,13:06:35 ) Vettel quickest.
Albon meets the expectation.
Cant wait for the race!!
Mercedes did not use soft tires... I don't hink gap is that large... Mercedes is known to sandbag a lot...
But would love to see the race...
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