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Topic: GPRO Points System-Will it change? |
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Quote ( Graham Mercer @ June 6th 2014,13:50:38 ) I wish people would stop hammering on about this, it has been thrashed to death - look there are now 78 pages to this thread.
This is not F1 and there is no need for the points system to match or be similar to the current F1 system.
My hammer was not aiming at the 'CHANGE THE POINTS SYSTEM!' nail. Because I have no problem with the current system.
However, if you were to create a new racing league, virtual or real, would you strongly consider using the points system I posted? If no, what do you perceive to be wrong with it?
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Quote ( Jay O`dowd @ June 6th 2014,13:43:57 ) An added bonus is that it gives 20 points for a win and 78 points across the ten scoring places, whilst the current system gives 10 points for a win and 39 points across the eight scoring positions. So comparing relative performance in a 20-point win season to a 10-point win season would be as simple as halving the total score in the 20-point season ;).
In the actual sistem each point gives you money at the end of the season, would you also change the prize per point? If not, that would mean more money, and I don´t think we need more money as that is an aspect of the game wich is quite balanced at the moment ;)
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We have new players joining and asking for this rule. The rarity of an older player asking for this feature is a giveaway for how this feature has been, is and always will be responded to.
10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 works well.
Admins could change to 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 but what if Bernie goes and adds his medals idea to the 2015 season? Then what? Top 3 score and nobody else does? :(
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9,7,6,4,3,2,1 or 10,8,7,5,4,3,2,1 are the best system's imo as both ensure a 1st and 3rd scores more than two 2nd's and a 3rd and 5th more than two 4th's. Also, the gap is smaller between 1st place and all non points scorers (than 25-18 etc), which is a good thing (imo). Well, it's my favourite scoring system anyway.
The only flaw with existing system is two fourth's are worth the same as a 3rd and a 5th.
There is no need to use the RL F1 points method - it does not bring anything good to the game except increase the gap in points between the first and last place and with it reducing the motivation of players.
F1 system is more flawed than existing one, so suggestion of it is futile, imo.
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ June 6th 2014,14:14:16 ) 10,8,7,5,4,3,2,1
This.
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Yes, it's the only scoring system that would improve the current one.
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ June 6th 2014,14:14:16 ) The only flaw with existing system is two fourth's are worth the same as a 3rd and a 5th.
If you think a 3rd and 5th should mean more than two 4ths (and that's debatable but I can understand that viewpoint), why would you be happy with an alternate scoring system thay has a 4th and 6th score the same as two 5ths, or a 5th and 7th score the same as two 6ths?
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because 3rd is podium and 4th is just a points finish, so my viewpoint is a 3rd and 5th should score better than two 4th's.
All combinations beneath a podium are just points finishes so it matters little (in my view) that a 4th and 6th scores the same as two 5th's (etc etc)
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ June 6th 2014,13:51:30 ) Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,13:50:22 )
My opinion is that it should be scored the first 10 places ...
Provide explanation why, please.
Explanation:
The race involved 40 players. If you get the first ten points - that's 25%.
I think it's fine.
If you look at the order of the amateur or pro rank then the player EVEN with zero points remain in the same range.
I think you need to offer a larger number of players a chance to earn points.
Final order would be a more objective.
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Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:31:27 ) I think you need to offer a larger number of players a chance to earn points.
Why?
Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:31:27 ) The race involved 40 players. If you get the first ten points - that's 25%.
I think it's fine.
What's wrong with 20% now?
Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:31:27 ) If you look at the order of the amateur or pro rank then the player EVEN with zero points remain in the same range.
Sorry, not following this one. What do you mean?
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Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:31:27 ) I think you need to offer a larger number of players a chance to earn points.
Final order would be a more objective.
No, sorry...
people miss the point that irrespective of points, players are ordered by best finish....so why are more points awards needed? They are not! It would serve only to make you feel better about yourself (or worse if a system was used that widened the gap from the top to bottom finisher).
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ June 6th 2014,14:30:53 ) because 3rd is podium and 4th is just a points finish, so my viewpoint is a 3rd and 5th should score better than two 4th's.
All combinations beneath a podium are just points finishes so it matters little (in my view) that a 4th and 6th scores the same as two 5th's (etc etc)
Fair enough. Don't personally agree, but didn't understand why, but get it now :)
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The only argument for 10 scorers is the fact that we have 40 managers so scoring % is low so the battle behind the front is not that good, but that argument has aslo been shot down before although not convicingly IMO.
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ June 6th 2014,14:33:02 ) Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:31:27 )
I think you need to offer a larger number of players a chance to earn points.
Why?
Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:31:27 )
The race involved 40 players. If you get the first ten points - that's 25%.
I think it's fine.
What's wrong with 20% now?
Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:31:27 )
If you look at the order of the amateur or pro rank then the player EVEN with zero points remain in the same range.
Sorry, not following this one. What do you mean?
a) Why 25%?? Each player is happier when he gets points, even only one point.
Surely it is frustrating not to have the 17 races any points!
b) And I will ask you.. why 20% ??? Why not 10% ?? What is criteria !??
c) My opinion is that the player who is on the 25th place should have at least a couple of points to stay in the same league / rank..AMA, PRO etc.
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When FIA gave points to first 6, there were about 8-12 finishers in each race. Rarely more than 12. When the break down became less, the first 8 were awarded points. Now that around 20 finish each race, top 10 are in the points. About half.
With more than 30 finishers in each GPRO race (Amateur and above), there should be a system that gives points to at least 10 or 12. There is absolutely no reason to deny this except of conservatism. Tell it what you want but it's conservatism. Give any cliche argument but it will be just conservatism.
And please cut the "this is not-F1" argument. Every single one here, is because of F1 resemplance. And the current point system was the F1 point system at the time. If it was 13-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1, I would accept any such argument.
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Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:38:44 ) My opinion is that the player who is on the 25th place should have at least a couple of points to stay in the same league / rank..AMA, PRO etc.
When was the last time someone retained in any league apart from Elite without scoring points? It's got to be pretty rare, surely? I've seen people relegate with 10 (and a race win!).
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Quote ( Stavros Oikonomidis @ June 6th 2014,14:40:06 ) And please cut the "this is not-F1" argument.
How many of the game rules are based on F1? :/
(genuine question)
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Quote ( Stavros Oikonomidis @ June 6th 2014,14:40:06 ) Every single one here, is because of F1 resemplance.
Eh, no they're not. There are plenty here that aren't interested in F1.
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ June 6th 2014,14:34:19 ) Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:31:27 )
I think you need to offer a larger number of players a chance to earn points.
Final order would be a more objective.
No, sorry...
people miss the point that irrespective of points, players are ordered by best finish....so why are more points awards needed? They are not! It would serve only to make you feel better about yourself (or worse if a system was used that widened the gap from the top to bottom finisher).
"Players are ordered by best finish"... fine ... ok !
Why do we give points in the race then !!??
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Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:42:58 ) Why do we give points in the race then !!??
points = money bonus at season end.
Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:42:58 ) "Players are ordered by best finish"... fine ... ok !
yup...it really is almost perfect how it is...changing the system would not improve in anyway and serve only to increase the points gap, increase the financial gap and reduce the motivation of players finishing a greater distance behind. That's three negative impacts alone.
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I think points should be awarded through a random generator at the end of the race.
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Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:38:44 ) a) Why 25% Each player is happier when you get points, if only one point.
Surely it is frustrating not to have the 17 races any points!
You're classified by your best finish anyway. So I don't see the point of frustration.
Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:38:44 ) b) And I will ask you.. why 20% ??? Why not 10% ?? What is criteria !??
Because we started with 20%. Changing it to 25% or 10% makes no sense, because of what I said above. Classification is based on your best finish.
Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:38:44 ) My opinion is that the player who is on the 25th place should have at least a couple of points to stay in the same league / rank..AMA, PRO etc.
Newsflash ... you can relegate with points in Pro groups. :) So that doesn't really apply.
Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:42:58 ) Why do we give points in the race then !!??
There's money bonus given per points. Would you prefer not to have that? :)
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Quote ( Gustav Gerretz @ June 6th 2014,14:38:35 ) The only argument for 10 scorers is the fact that we have 40 managers so scoring % is low so the battle behind the front is not that good, ....
Totally agree with this ...
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ June 6th 2014,14:41:48 ) Quote ( Stavros Oikonomidis @ June 6th 2014,14:40:06 )
And please cut the "this is not-F1" argument.
How many of the game rules are based on F1? :/
(genuine question)
Define "game rules"
Even the Q system was F1 system at the time. Refuelling? Again F1 at the time. Points system? Same as F1.
If you want to prove sth PROVE it. Asking from others to prove the contrary is a fallacy.
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ June 6th 2014,14:41:23 ) Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:38:44 )
My opinion is that the player who is on the 25th place should have at least a couple of points to stay in the same league / rank..AMA, PRO etc.
When was the last time someone retained in any league apart from Elite without scoring points? It's got to be pretty rare, surely? I've seen people relegate with 10 (and a race win!).
I am speaking about AMA, PRO .. not Elite.
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Quote ( Stavros Oikonomidis @ June 6th 2014,14:47:03 ) Even the Q system was F1 system at the time. Refuelling? Again F1 at the time. Points system? Same as F1.
Key words there: 'at the time'.
Do you prefer we change things everytime they are changed in F1?
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Quote ( Drante Pavelic @ June 6th 2014,14:47:20 ) I am speaking about AMA, PRO .. not Elite.
Really? So...
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ June 6th 2014,14:41:23 ) When was the last time someone retained in any league apart from Elite without scoring points? It's got to be pretty rare, surely? I've seen people relegate with 10 (and a race win!).
To follow up on this, there was not a single person in 25th place of any Elite, Master or Pro group last season without points. I'm not looking through 125 Amateur groups to see how many of them there are, but I imagine it would be very low, if not none at all.
Elite is the only group where it is likely that 25th place will have 0 points (as commonly happens, and as recently as S40). The other groups do not so calls of making sure those relegating are sorted by points seems a bit off the mark to me, as they already are.
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Stuart I don't think its a simple case of the RL F1 is more flawed. It allows more players to receive points and places more emphasis in improved finish throughout all races of a season.
The current system used in GPRO allows less than a quarter of the potential participants to score points, it also means that players which have built up an advantage during a season can neglect their accounts because of the limited amount of points remaining.
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ June 6th 2014,14:48:11 ) Quote ( Stavros Oikonomidis @ June 6th 2014,14:47:03 )
Even the Q system was F1 system at the time. Refuelling? Again F1 at the time. Points system? Same as F1.
Key words there: 'at the time'.
Do you prefer we change things everytime they are changed in F1?
That wasn't the question.
As long as I am concerned two things of all the changes in F1 should be applied. Reduce of blocking (another F1 consept at the time) and points to more. I don't stick to Top-10 but 20% is far too small number
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Quote ( Daniel Raeburn @ June 6th 2014,14:50:04 ) The current system used in GPRO allows less than a quarter of the potential participants to score points, it also means that players which have built up an advantage during a season can neglect their accounts because of the limited amount of points remaining.
And you think they wouldn't neglect their accounts if more positions would be given points? :)
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