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Topic: Abandon Race Option |
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The fact that this would allow managers to avoid full race wear, as Kevin mentioned above, that is enough for me to consider it as not a good idea.
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My dear John Smith, have you even read the thread?
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Fully agree with Andrei, there seems enough ways in place to achieve an early retirement if that's your aim.
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With a bit of research you can set yourself up for an early exit with the right strategy. No need for an extra box to tick.
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Quote ( Kevin Faber @ May 21st 2012,16:06:53 ) Having the choice to stop should be one I've got.
Totally agree !!
...Its a tricky one but all in all IMO it should be considered
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Quote ( Tim Lord @ June 21st 2012,21:35:33 ) With a bit of research you can set yourself up for an early exit with the right strategy. No need for an extra box to tick.
I am pretty new and am looking at this from an unpredicted point of view.... if i set things up with the intention of finishing and something goes very wrong (early in the race) i think i should be able to setup to retire and move on to the next race. but what do i know, am just a rookie haha
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Like it was already mentioned, this could be abused, since managers would avoid full race wear and then come back next race as if nothing happened.
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Quote ( Benalan Wilkinson @ June 21st 2012,21:44:35 ) ...Its a tricky one but all in all IMO it should be considered
Indeed - something like 157 posts on the subject should do the trick, I reckon.
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ June 21st 2012,21:55:32 ) since managers would avoid full race wear
Bit like in RL..... i.e. realistic, cars in a dangerous state are not allowed to continue.
Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ June 21st 2012,21:55:32 ) then come back next race as if nothing happened.
Other than being a few million short in their pay packet (race money). :P
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And only about 20-30% of the actual race wear on each part too ... not a bad result, eh? :)
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ June 21st 2012,22:11:18 ) And some 10-15% short on the wear too ... not a bad result, eh? :)
There are pro's and cons Andrei, from a realism side of things I'd like to see something implemented.
As has already been pointed out there are "other ways" to wreck you race/car.
It can also be argued that there are a few tracks where it would make better financial sense to NOT race as the cost on car wear is far worse if you are going to smoke than the 5m you lose from not doing every race. ;)
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Quote ( Mark Witney @ June 21st 2012,22:19:28 ) It can also be argued that there are a few tracks where it would make better financial sense to NOT race
O_o
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Quote ( Max Watson @ June 21st 2012,22:30:16 ) O_o
Come on Max, you know this :P
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Quote ( Mark Witney @ June 21st 2012,22:19:28 )
It can also be argued that there are a few tracks where it would make better financial sense to NOT race as the cost on car wear is far worse if you are going to smoke than the 5m you lose from not doing every race. ;)
Once you've missed one, and that $5m is no longer up for grabs, presumably it would make financial sense to miss every race which isn't on an exceptionally low wear track, since nearly all tracks are within $5m of each other on a wear-cost basis (assuming your part levels and risk combination are remotely reasonable anyway) .... ?
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Once again I'd like to cast a vote for the Abandon Race option.
I can attempt a start crash, I know.
I can choose not to start the race, I know.
This next race in Shanghai is one where I'd like to check a box that says Abandon Race after___________ laps.
So I officially re-suggest this option.
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If you know that you want to abandon a race after, let´s say, 30 laps, why do you even start it?
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John, that is really one suggestion that, if implemented, could massively be abused. You could go majority of the season without spending any money on parts and just using the same ones. You'd set to abandon race after 1 lap and have 1% wear. This way you'd be getting the income, and the bonus at the end of the season, yet you wouldn't be racing and spending any cash on parts. Probably do some testing along the way and then replace all parts at some stage towards the end of the season, once you've saved up and trained up the driver, and just race a couple of rounds to retain. That would disadvantage a lot of the guys, who want to keep on racing. So no, that is not a very good suggestion at all.
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Quote ( John Henderson @ September 28th 2014,02:04:17 )
Once again I'd like to cast a vote for the Abandon Race option.
I can attempt a start crash, I know.
I can choose not to start the race, I know.
This next race in Shanghai is one where I'd like to check a box that says Abandon Race after___________ laps.
So I officially re-suggest this option.
May I add to your suggestion that the wear accumulated on your car be the same as if you raced all the length? This to avoid abuse
Of course no motivation gain, and maybe loose some stamina for not racing and lose concentration because since your driver knows you will abandon, why worry at all?
Would you still push your suggestion?
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Quote ( Constantin Heller @ September 28th 2014,02:40:50 )
If you know that you want to abandon a race after, let´s say, 30 laps, why do you even start it?
to get 5 m after season break perhaps.
i find this suggestion good. more fair to abandon and don't get 90% distance by default than smoking 90% of distance and get this mark
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Quote ( Michal Szopinski @ September 28th 2014,02:56:00 ) John, that is really one suggestion that, if implemented, could massively be abused. You could go majority of the season without spending any money on parts and just using the same ones. You'd set to abandon race after 1 lap and have 1% wear. This way you'd be getting the income, and the bonus at the end of the season, yet you wouldn't be racing and spending any cash on parts. Probably do some testing along the way and then replace all parts at some stage towards the end of the season, once you've saved up and trained up the driver, and just race a couple of rounds to retain. That would disadvantage a lot of the guys, who want to keep on racing. So no, that is not a very good suggestion at all.
What income? In pro and above you have tires to pay for. Taking of account this your income is negative if you don't reach 90% of distance and finish 35th/lower. Of course if you don't have massive sponsors which you will not have finishing after lap 1 race after the race
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Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ September 28th 2014,09:07:26 ) What income? In pro and above you have tires to pay for. Taking of account this your income is negative if you don't reach 90% of distance and finish 35th/lower. Of course if you don't have massive sponsors which you will not have finishing after lap 1 race after the race Don't tell me that you can't save money by getting 50% of the income and still pay for Avonns, for example. But thanks for pointing out that this option could be even more abused in Ama.
If someone's keen on not using up parts, they can run them up to 99% and then not replace them. It has the same effect and you still have a chance of actually getting 90% of race distance.
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If not racing is the best way to play this racing game something is seriously wrong with the economics.
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Quote ( Jed Lilly @ September 28th 2014,11:41:59 ) If not racing is the best way to play this racing game something is seriously wrong with the economics.
Not racing is not the best way, you can save money by not racing if you have low staff and facilities, low salary driver, etc, but once you save the money you need to spend it in training a driver, preparaing the car, staff and facilities. And if you couldn´t save while doing that you won´t succeed in the game as once you get to Pro and above all that money will dissapear.
IMO managers who don´t race to save money won´t get too far as they are missing many parts of the game. Money on it´s own would make you succeed in the short term only ;)
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This could be an interesting option ONCE a season as it could work for or against you depending on what others do in the same race. Highlighting it on the season page after people had taken it would also help with strategy if you're struggling, it wouldn't be that different from OBP really, just in reverse.
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i've saved lots of money by leaving my parts at 99% and using 0 malfunction risks. My car made it to the end twice this season and i got 9m from it. Heck, last time (Bahrain i think) I used 100CDT, and didn;t smoke till the 22nd lap, when my brakes were at 99% at the start. Even led for the first time in Amateur.
Having an abandon race option isn't a good idea, especially when you can easily finish a race and get loads of money
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Quote ( Kyle Morris @ September 28th 2014,12:12:29 ) i've saved lots of money by leaving my parts at 99% and using 0 malfunction risks. My car made it to the end twice this season and i got 9m from it. Heck, last time (Bahrain i think) I used 100CDT, and didn;t smoke till the 22nd lap, when my brakes were at 99% at the start. Even led for the first time in Amateur.
Having an abandon race option isn't a good idea, especially when you can easily finish a race and get loads of money
I scored point last race starting with over 90% worn brakes. I know that this part of the game is seriously broken. This is why I agree with suggestion above. You understand that if you press abandon button then you don't reach 90% of distance. Correct?
Quote ( Michal Szopinski @ September 28th 2014,11:08:22 ) Don't tell me that you can't save money by getting 50% of the income and still pay for Avonns, for example. But thanks for pointing out that this option could be even more abused in Ama.
If someone's keen on not using up parts, they can run them up to 99% and then not replace them. It has the same effect and you still have a chance of actually getting 90% of race distance.
So you are trying to tell me that abandon after lap 1 and getting 50% of income for 35th+ place is financially better than having chance to run 90% of distance and getting full income? I think not.
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Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ September 28th 2014,12:29:15 ) So you are trying to tell me that abandon after lap 1 and getting 50% of income for 35th+ place is financially better than having chance to run 90% of distance and getting full income? I think not. I'm not saying anything like that. In fact I just said the opposite in my post above. Instead of abandoning a race, you may as well run the parts up to 99% and leave them. Read this again and think through what I just said here:Quote ( Michal Szopinski @ September 28th 2014,11:08:22 ) If someone's keen on not using up parts, they can run them up to 99% and then not replace them. It has the same effect and you still have a chance of actually getting 90% of race distance. And that's why I see the option of being able to abandon a race as either pointless (why would you want to run 30 laps, as John suggested, get some wear on your parts, and then still receive just 50% of race income?) or just asking to be abused (as I said in my first post above).
E: It's just so silly, how pissed off do we get when we have a puncture half way through the race? You use up parts and get nothing for it. So why would anyone want to do it voluntarily? The only reason for it would be to just run a lap, get the 50% of race income, register a race for end of the season bono, and save on parts. You don't see anything wrong with that? No opportunity for abuse?
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Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ September 28th 2014,12:29:15 ) You understand that if you press abandon button then you don't reach 90% of distance. Correct?
And there could be other penalties as well
Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ September 28th 2014,09:07:26 ) Of course if you don't have massive sponsors which you will not have finishing after lap 1 race after the race
Driver and team would lose motivation. Lose stamina .Sponsors, and those you are negotiating with, would not be happy. So it wouldn't be a free pass.
I don't feel like skipping a race.
And I don't feel like trying a start crash.
I'd like the option to abandon race.
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So I've set my risks to zero and will attempt to drag the car to the finish line with parts falling off everywhere.
Why is choosing to do that better, or more fair, than choosing to abandon race?
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Quote ( John Henderson @ September 29th 2014,04:48:08 ) Why is choosing to do that better, or more fair, than choosing to abandon race? Because you still have a chance of full race income. Why would you voluntarily give that up? And why would you bother running more than 1 lap in that situation? Doing for example 20 or 30 laps will cost you in parts wear anyway, but have the same result as running just 1 lap. So why bother? And that's what would be open to abuse. ;)
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