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Diving should be penalised after the game ends just like they do to referees for wrong decisions they make or to olayers for unsportsman - violent behaviour that wasn't noticed during the game (see Suarez for example). This way,referees will not have to deal with "actors" and their mistakes would be less. Would anyone dive knowing that he could get a 2-3 games ban later from the officials and miss the semi-finals or the final?
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Quote ( George Togas @ April 13th 2018,14:01:33 ) Diving should be penalised after the game ends just like they do to referees for wrong decisions they make or to olayers for unsportsman - violent behaviour that wasn't noticed during the game (see Suarez for example). This way,referees will not have to deal with "actors" and their mistakes would be less. Would anyone dive knowing that he could get a 2-3 games ban later from the officials and miss the semi-finals or the final?
In England, you can actually be banned for simulation if you are caught diving in the referee notes. Not sure about if the referee didn't see it, but if he did he can get banned for it
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If the referee see this,he shows yellow card. Which in my opinion is not enough. The one that dives,tries to alterate the result and such attempt should be punished more strictly.
For example... If Lucas had dived and the referee had given a penalty that wasn't real,there would have been a great alteration in the result. Would a yellow card be enough ban? Not even a red card would be enough according to my opinion. That's why there should be a rule that bans divers so hard that they would think well before they dive again.
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I completly agree. But refs don't even give yellow cards most of the time, look at what Real did the whols game.
Their whole game play was:
1. Get the ball 2. Pass to Cristiano 3. Dive
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Quote ( Kyle Morris @ April 13th 2018,14:33:44 ) In England, you can actually be banned for simulation if you are caught diving in the referee notes. Not sure about if the referee didn't see it, but if he did he can get banned for it
I don't think that's right.
If the ref sees them, then he books them (and they don't win a free kick or penalty). They can't then be banned for something that's already been dealt with at the time with a yellow card.
Banning them retrospectively is when the ref hasn't caught them doing it so they've benefited from it and can receive a two match ban for simulation (I think it's a two match ban - certainly was once).
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I am not talking about the referees Matija. The referee can only show a yellow or red card,nothing more. Also,the referee doesn't have the chance to examine if someone dived. Lets go back to Lucas again. He felt down,but he didn't dive. IF you say it wasn't penalty,you can't ban him for diving. The officials must examine dives (or no dives) after the game and give the appropriate bans if necessary.
Sometimes,diving brings the opposite result. Once in Greece, there was a clear penalty,but the referee showed yellow card for diving. Right after the game,the player excused the referee by saying..."Referees know that I dive often, he probably thought I did it again."
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ April 13th 2018,15:59:45 ) Banning them retrospectively is when the ref hasn't caught them doing it so they've benefited from it and can receive a two match ban for simulation (I think it's a two match ban - certainly was once).
Yeah thought that'd be the case rather than the referee seeing it then a subsequent ban
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Regardless of whether you think it was a penalty or not, no one that is sane can say that it was simulation worth of a yellow. There was OBVIOUS and SIGNIFICANT contact between the players. This is not an egregious dive that we have become so used to seeing
No way he deserved a yellow, even if the penalty wasn't given. It's a moot point tho because there was a foul and the penalty was given.
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I don't think anyone said about diving for Lucas,Michael.
Quote ( George Togas @ April 13th 2018,16:03:22 ) Lets go back to Lucas again. He felt down,but he didn't dive. IF you say it wasn't penalty,you can't ban him for diving.
As for my opinion if it was or wasn't penalty,I say it was. BUT 99% this kind of penalty isn't given. If referees give these penaltys,we should se 10 in every game. There is no corner kick without defenders holding the shirts of the attackers,which is also a penalty according to the rules.
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Quote ( George Togas @ April 13th 2018,20:37:38 ) If referees give these penaltys,we should se 10 in every game. There is no corner kick without defenders holding the shirts of the attackers,which is also a penalty according to the rules. If refs start giving more of these, then player will stop diving. You might see 10 penalties at first, but they will decrease once it starts to hurt them.
Players hold jerseys and foul on corners because they can get away with it, and so it helps their team. If every time they do it a penalty is called, it will not help their team, so they will stop
I'm ok with 10 penalties per game if there are 10 fouls in the box.
Also... having a corner kick should be an advantage to the offense. The harder we make it to defend a corner, the better.
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Agreed Michael. And that's exactly how I think about simulation and in fact about any attempt to try to influence the referees.
If you as much as raise your arm to claim a throw-in, for me it should be a yellow card. This annoying behaviour would be wiped out of the game in no time, and 5-year-old kids in the local football club will no longer be taught to be annoying and unsportsmanlike because it might help and you can always get away with it.
Oh and what ever happened to the rule that only the team captain is allowed to talk to the referee?
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ April 13th 2018,21:44:35 ) Oh and what ever happened to the rule that only the team captain is allowed to talk to the referee If you don't already, you should follow rugby. You'd like it.
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Quote ( George Togas @ April 13th 2018,20:37:38 ) opinion if it was or wasn't penalty,I say it was. BUT 99% this kind of penalty isn't given. If referees give these penaltys,we should se 10 in every game.
So youre saying in every game we have 10 situations where a player who is in clear spot to score a goal with no defenders anywhere near him and only goalie that is between hiom and the goal, is being pushed from behind and than kicked in the chest? Can you provide a link to one of such games?
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Well, Sad only for Buffon.
Juve is used to this kind of situation on Serie A. But on Serie A normally last minute penaltis are in their favour... :-)
So, it's kind of funny to see them arguing... to suffer what normally they take advantage of.
Anyway, it was a penalty. So, nothing special.
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Quote ( António Pereira @ April 13th 2018,22:50:36 ) Juve is used to this kind of situation on Serie A. But on Serie A normally last minute penaltis are in their favour... :-)
So, it's kind of funny to see them arguing... to suffer what normally they take advantage of.
excactly as i see it
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Yes and in the end of season the closest team is 10 points or more away. :D
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Quote ( Samoeni Albanalopolis @ April 13th 2018,23:00:22 ) Yes and in the end of season the closest team is 10 points or more away. :D
Im not saying you're not good...Juve has normally great squads
just saying that you're use to this on your own championship. You should have an enormous number of last minute penalties on the last seasons. And not all of them are true penalties :D
its hurts to suffer like this, doesn't it? Now you know what others feel...
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No man, we had plenty controversies in the league too. But no one complained while others cry in Italy. It is a fact that when Juventus loose whole Italy celebrates. Juventus is either loved or hated.
And Im saying this as someone who liked Real but their lobby is so strong. In last 5 games against Real Madrid Juve has conceeded 3 red cards. And everyone remembers when Chiellini stopped Ronaldo and he started crying and then straight red card for Chiellini. They know how to do it and referees just love it.
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Quote ( Samoeni Albanalopolis @ April 13th 2018,23:11:41 ) And Im saying this as someone who liked Real but their lobby is so strong. it.
Ok I can agree with you on Real's Lobby. We have evidences of that...
But don't you think that Juventus has the same Lobby in their own country? ...of course you have.
In Europe REal has more power than Juve In ITaly Juve has more power than the others
so, in the end it's just a matter of lobbies? You know it isn't... but they exist? yes they exist.
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So can anybody who doesn't think this is a penalty just drop it?
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Quote ( Matija Gjurčević @ April 12th 2018,15:58:42 ) You clearly can't see properly. You poor thing :(
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Quote ( Lukasz Bajda @ April 13th 2018,22:46:24 ) So youre saying in every game we have 10 situations where a player who is in clear spot to score a goal with no defenders anywhere near him and only goalie that is between hiom and the goal, is being pushed from behind and than kicked in the chest? Can you provide a link to one of such games? If you stop looking in this partcular "tree",you will notice there is a "forest around it... What I say is about definition of rules. And rules say that whatever you described and we all saw... is a penalty (according to the rules). And this penalty was given. Conclusion: we both agree it was a penalty,right? For sure,I say it was.
Now tell me Jasper. Isn't the same violation when someone holds a shirt before a corner kick? Isn't the ban for such action a free kick? Which means penalty kick if this happened inside the box area. How many links do you want to see for shirt holding and say."It was a clear penalty NOT given" in every game? Like Michael pointed out along with me,we should have 10+ penalties in every game. As much clear as this with Lucas. Yes Jasper,it's exactly the same...
Edit. You don't need tp be so dramatic in the description for a simple penalty. Description doesn't change anything. I can say the same thing as you with just one word. 1) Penalty
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If referees muster the courage to follow the rules and award every penalty for pulling shirts, I would be very very happy. And the game of football would improve significantly, because the whole concept of pulling shirts would vanish in a matter of weeks.
P.S. I don't know where I was being dramatic in the description of the penalty. In this whole multi-page discussion I have only described it on one occasion as "crystal clear" and that's all I have said about it...
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Quote ( George Togas @ April 14th 2018,01:04:50 ) Isn't the same violation when someone holds a shirt before a corner kick? Isn't the ban for such action a free kick? Which means penalty kick if this happened inside the box area.
There is a difference tho. Not that it isnt a foul, but on a corner kick there's like 20 people in the box and moving and it is much harder for the ref to see if it is a foul or a flop. In this case there really was no one else around him except benatia. Very easy to see.
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True again, but I'd like to add that a video referee has the potential of seeing it all. If a player feels his shirt was being pulled, he just needs to tell his team captain to request a video review (which should be allowed in the rules of course) and it's done. Oh the utopia!
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i'm sorry but i'm fan of real ... hala madrid so happy for the 8th semifinal consecutives ^^ in the 2 matchs Real deserved more than juve to pass it ... juve's fan need to ask why a striker was perfectly alone at 92:35 at 2 meters from the goals. why allegry didn't a change in the last 20 minutes when real started to dominate ...
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