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#1 posted Oct 4th 2011, 15:20:48 (last edited Oct 4th 2011, 15:22:33 by Keri Lovell)
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You may not have seen them as the media conviently have kept them off the mainstream. Hmm..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyTGM4iCf08&feature=related
But this is happening now in New York and planned all over US.
Thoughts?
2.40 is when it gets really interesting. Remember these are peaceful protests.
*Swearing warning in video*
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#2 posted Oct 4th 2011, 15:28:02
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#3 posted Oct 4th 2011, 15:30:24
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Sigh...This is why I've decided not to immerse myself with politics until i'm at least 16.
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#4 posted Oct 4th 2011, 15:31:16 (last edited Oct 4th 2011, 15:31:56 by Keri Lovell)
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Very interesting article Martin.
Seems that people are becoming a little annoyed with the US and are starting to take action.
I guess thats consequence though.
This is not a political thread by the way, merely an economic protest.
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Definately something I support.
Both the protests, and much of what Anonymous has done in the past, although with Sony they may have gone a bit far for a relatively insignificant thing.
21st century way of social activism to further democracy I'd say.
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#6 posted Oct 4th 2011, 15:35:56
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#7 posted Oct 4th 2011, 15:38:50
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Quote ( Keri Lovell @ October 4th 2011,15:20:48 )
Remember these are peaceful protests. when Uruguay became champion of Copa America, and uruguayans living there went to a street were to a famous bar among uruguayans to cheer up and were repressed by new york police, I learnt that they really apply the tolerance zero...
Quote ( Keri Lovell @ October 4th 2011,15:31:16 )
This is not a political thread by the way, merely an economic protest. yet the limit is really tiny, so everybody, keep it neat :)
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#8 posted Oct 4th 2011, 15:43:03
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Quote ( Marcelo Michelini @ October 4th 2011,15:38:50 )
yet the limit is really tiny, so everybody, keep it neat :)
Agree with that, just trying to raise awareness, considering the media have blocked it out, I think people have a right to know thats all, if it gets messy, close it :-)
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#9 posted Oct 4th 2011, 15:45:32
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Then again, after watching, all I could think of was "1984, here we come." Or, if you've played the game but not read the book, an Infamous-type society.
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#10 posted Oct 4th 2011, 15:51:20 (last edited Oct 4th 2011, 16:02:46 by Nick Hewer)
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Greetings, institutions of the media.
We are Anonymous.
The events transpiring within Wall Street have caught our eye.
It seems that the government and federal agencies enjoy enforcing the law a little bit too much. They instate unjust laws as mindless automatons, blindly following orders with soulless precision.
We witness the government enforcing the laws that punish the 99 percent while allowing the 1 percent to escape justice, unharmed, for their crimes against the people.
We have observed this same government failing to enforce even the minimal legal restraints of Wall Street’s abuses. This government who has willingly ignored the greed at Wall Street has even bailed out the perpetrators that have caused our crisis.
We will not stand by and watch the system take over our way of life.
We the people shall stand against the government’s inaction.
We the people will not be witnesses to your corruption and ill-gotten profits.
We will not labor for your leisure.
We will not assist you in any way.
This is why we choose to declare our war against the New York Stock Exchange. We can no longer stay silent as the population is being exploited and forced to make sacrifices in the name of profit.
We will show the world that we are true to our word. On Oct. 10, NYSE shall be erased from the Internet. On Oct. 10, expect a day that will never, ever be forgotten.
Vox Populi, Vox Anon.
The Voice of The People is The Voice of Anonymous.
We are Legion. We are the 99 percent.
We do not forgive. We do not forget.
Wall Street: Expect us.
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It actually has FINALLY been getting more coverage over the past few days. Of course the protests have been going on for nearly 3 weeks, but eventually it caught interest. This past weekend was probably the tipping point as far as getting media coverage goes, after 700 protesters were arrested for blocking traffic on the Brooklyn bridge. You can protest all you want, but it seems that you have to actually inconvenience people to get the media's attention. Unfortunately, yesterday was the day with the most mainstream coverage, and it was apparently "dress and act like a zombie day". So you get TV crews giving live reports while standing in front of a group that looks like halloween party-goers. That's probably not the best way to be taken seriously.
Still, the protests have started spreading. Yesterday there were reports of smaller protests starting up in Chicago, Boston, and even Los Angeles, and some of the right-wing media types have finally started bad-mouthing the protests. If they could organize a little better, look a lot less like college kids and hippies out to have a good time and come up with a unified, coherent message they might actually get some traction. If they can keep it up until the spring then perhaps it will even become an election campaign issue.
They could really use a media consultant who understands how to get their message across.
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Serves them right for protesting. Should be working!
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Well its been too long ;-)
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Quote ( Mark Webster @ October 4th 2011,19:04:36 )
Serves them right for protesting. Should be working!
Dear lord. Please save him from himself.
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Quote ( Keri Lovell @ October 4th 2011,15:31:16 )
This is not a political thread by the way, merely an economic protest.
There is NO politics without Economy actually... that's why the world is goin bad
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They should have been doing this when governments were ignoring the principles of capitalism and bailing out banks.
Horse, bolted, door, shut etc...
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Quote ( Chinmay Dhopate @ October 4th 2011,19:12:49 )
capitalism Thank you for sounding out Leo!
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Quote ( Chinmay Dhopate @ October 4th 2011,19:12:49 )
Horse, bolted, door, shut etc...
No maybe you are right, perhaps we should all just be quiet and let the banks and Wall St. do whatever they like from now on, after all, they wouldnt possibly still be doing it. :-p
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Quote ( Keri Lovell @ October 4th 2011,19:16:03 )
No maybe you are right, perhaps we should all just be quiet and let the banks and Wall St. do whatever they like from now on, after all, they wouldnt possibly still be doing it. :-p
Eh?
No. We should not be quiet. We should be more proactive rather than reactive.
There is no point in protesting about something that has happened 2 years ago, you should have protested back then!
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I totally agree, what Im saying is, these protests can do no harm, late or not, people want answers and they want change and if they stay there long enough, it will have to become part of a government debate by law.
Better late than never :-)
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Quote ( Chinmay Dhopate @ October 4th 2011,19:18:51 )
There is no point in protesting about something that has happened 2 years ago, you should have protested back then! I think the fact that it happened 2 years ago, does not proclude the fact that it is still happening today.
Besides, I don't think this protest is about (only) bailing out banks. Afaik it's about the rampant corruption between business and politics in general. America is full of other examples too. Not that other countires aren't...
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Quote ( Chinmay Dhopate @ October 4th 2011,19:18:51 )
There is no point in protesting about something that has happened 2 years ago, you should have protested back then!
So.... let say : you stay 2 years out of home for a reason, and when you get back you find that your home has been sold and there are strangers in your house, is it okay or you will protest?
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Quote ( Chinmay Dhopate @ October 4th 2011,19:12:49 )
They should have been doing this when governments were ignoring the principles of capitalism and bailing out banks.
Actually, that's just a symptom of the problem. The real problem is this:
http://usaturnaround.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/income-grow...
And when you take that top 1% out of the top quintile the growth for that top quintile (19% now) is actually around 31%. While the majority of the protesters aren't against people getting rich, the biggest problem is that this income inequality has led to a disproportionate level of influence in (dare I say it) political matters. We have a currently sitting president who has stated that he needs to raise $1 billion in campaign funds to be competitive for the next election cycle, and in the wake of the "Citizens United" Supreme Court decision (which basically opens the door to unlimited political campaign contributions from businesses and individuals) he's probably right.
For the entire history of the world the rich have gotten richer and had more power than the less wealthy, but many Americans feel that we've passed the tipping point. They feel that the wealthiest 1% of Americans have far more political influence than the other 99% of Americans combined, and that this political clout undermines the foundation of a representative democracy. Wall Street isn't the sum total of all of the problems, but it's a potent symbol of this political and economic inequality because that's where the effects have been most visible. The financial sector spent years lobbying the government to relax regulations, which led to widespread "questionable" dealings, which eventually led to a global economic crisis. Rather than letting the financial sector pay the price for their bad actions they were able to get the government to bail them out on the backs of the taxpayers, and now that we're stuck in recession they want to cut services that many people in that 99% rely on, while fighting tooth and nail against even the suggestion that the 1% at the top who have benefitted the most from these conditions should pay slightly higher taxes to help get the United States out of this mess.
Now, their politics may be all wrong. Their economics may be totally off base. I'm not saying that this is true or false or passing judgement. But that's what they're protesting over, and it goes far deeper than just the bank bailouts.
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Quote ( Kevin Mcferrin @ October 4th 2011,19:45:39 )
They feel that the wealthiest 1% of Americans have far more political influence than the other 99% of Americans combined, and that this political clout undermines the foundation of a representative democracy.
When banks own governments what do you expect?!
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Excellent analisys Kevin :)
Quote ( Mark Webster @ October 4th 2011,19:48:28 )
When banks own governments what do you expect?! And that's what has to be changed ^^
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$1b just to be COMPETITIVE in the presidential elections? That is just sickening tbh.
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