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Topic: qualifying results and starting grid made invisible |
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#1 posted Jun 10th 2014, 18:55:00
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This is something I keep wondering about. Wouldn't it be more fair to make qualifying results and start grid invisible till qualifying is over? This gives a huge benefit for players who can login till the last moment of qualifying.
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#2 posted Jun 10th 2014, 18:58:12
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Why would it give them an advantage?
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#3 posted Jun 10th 2014, 18:58:54
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Quote ( Rodrigo Bellinvia @ June 10th 2014,18:58:12 ) Why would it give them an advantage?
They can change their risks and fuel strategy, I know, I have done it myself.
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#4 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:05:27 (last edited Jun 10th 2014, 19:11:42 by Greg Swaney)
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#5 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:05:39
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Don't think it's necessary as anyone can qualify last minute if they want to. Also, if you look at F1, the times are all visible in qualifying and some drivers delay their runs so they know what they have to beat.
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#6 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:11:33
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Quote ( Guy Adams @ June 10th 2014,19:05:39 ) Don't think it's necessary as anyone can qualify last minute if they want to.
What about someone who is at work or if the timezone is not favourable its the middle of the night in Australia atm
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Quote ( Frederik Broux @ June 10th 2014,18:55:00 ) This is something I keep wondering about. Wouldn't it be more fair to make qualifying results and start grid invisible till qualifying is over? This gives a huge benefit for players who can login till the last moment of qualifying.
Qualifying results aren't invisible in the real world, I don't think it'd be useful to hide it on this game, but that's my opinion :).
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Quote ( Guy Adams @ June 10th 2014,19:05:39 ) Don't think it's necessary as anyone can qualify last minute if they want to.
Not really, no. There are timezones that puts the managers during the night when qualifying ends. It includes Australia, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, parts of China and other territories/countries.
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#9 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:17:10
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That doesn't mean they cannot do it if they want to :P
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Do you really want all of those people to wake up at 1 am (or 2 am or 3 am ... ) and qualify? :P
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#11 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:19:16
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Well, technically they still can, they just choose to be asleep instead Andrei ;)
More seriously, take your point. Just think you would lose an element of qualifying strategy/fun if you can't see what you are trying to beat...
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#12 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:21:30
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Quote ( Guy Adams @ June 10th 2014,19:19:16 ) Well, technically they still can, they just choose to be asleep instead Andrei ;)
Nothing wrong with sleep though. :)
Quote ( Guy Adams @ June 10th 2014,19:19:16 ) More seriously, take your point. Just think you would lose an element of qualifying strategy/fun if you can't see what you are trying to beat...
Umm ... maybe, maybe not. Definitely not a strategy element for me. Just a calculation about where I'll end on the grid and wonder what the hell am I doing. :P
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#13 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:21:31
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i love to see the green light when i log. it bings life to the game between races.
there is no intrinsic advantage because every strategy carries its advantages and disadvantages.
no good idea.
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#14 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:22:35
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Also, having them visible adds to the "psyche" part of the game...do you qualify early to show your hand or leave as late as you can? Same can be said about tyre choices being visible in pro and higher before the season starts really....part of the reason they are visible is from the psychological pov - which unfortunately does have a timezone factor. Though apparently the excitement/psyche element gained outweighs the negative of timezone. So I've been told anyway.
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#15 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:25:11
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I see no advantage in qualifying later, is your driver going to be faster because the time when he qualyfies?
If your drivers best lap is 1:20 for example, it will be 1:20 today, tomorrow and past tomorrow. I understand this kind of suggestion for tyres choosing at the beggining of a season, but for qualifying? Really? Where is the advantage?
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#16 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:25:12
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ June 10th 2014,19:21:30 ) Nothing wrong with sleep though. :)
Couldn't agree more :)
From my limited experience in Rookie, I don't think that being around to qualify last is that significant and doesn't confer much, if any, advantage. Perhaps it is different higher up the ranks though...
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#17 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:25:34
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Quote ( Mairo Toom @ June 10th 2014,18:58:54 ) They can change their risks and fuel strategy, I know, I have done it myself.
Can you really trust the qualifying times to tell you what tires and fuel they're on? How do you know how hard they were pushing on the qualification laps? How do you know how big of an error the driver made?
You might be able to reasonably estimate fuel loads based on the difference between Q1 and Q2 times, but does that really help you? At the end of the day there's going to be a fairly optimal strategy to choose based on tire manufacturer and compound, fuel consumption, pitstop times, and how hard you can afford to push the risks that particular race (perhaps due to tire or parts wear). Does it really matter that much if someone else is on the same strategy or a different strategy? Or are you saying that you would deliberately choose a slower strategy unless you saw that someone else had chosen the faster strategy?
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#18 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:26:26
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Quote ( Guy Adams @ June 10th 2014,19:25:12 ) Perhaps it is different higher up the ranks though...
No clue ... I haven't paid attention to that. :)
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#19 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:31:00
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Qualifying late is always an advantage. But since I'm one of the late qualifiers I prefer that things stay the way they are :P
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Quote ( Frederik Broux @ June 10th 2014,18:55:00 ) This gives a huge benefit for players who can login till the last moment of qualifying.
The thing is... it doesn't.
Some people seem to think there's some "massive advantage", but there is not.
In certain specific circumstances there may be some minor benefit found, but that is really not so significant.
Quote ( Mairo Toom @ June 10th 2014,18:58:54 ) They can change their risks and fuel strategy, I know, I have done it myself.
You might be doing something wrong is you feel the need to "stalk" what others are doing :P
Quote ( Guy Adams @ June 10th 2014,19:25:12 ) From my limited experience in Rookie, I don't think that being around to qualify last is that significant and doesn't confer much, if any, advantage. Perhaps it is different higher up the ranks though...
It doesn't really change.
If your performance is good, you don't need to care what others are doing. If your performance is not good, no amount of "stalking" will improve that.
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#21 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:35:26
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Quote ( Krasimir Ivanov @ June 10th 2014,19:31:00 ) Qualifying late is always an advantage. But since I'm one of the late qualifiers I prefer that things stay the way they are :P
till your internet fails :p
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#22 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:35:56
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Quote ( Kevin Mcferrin @ June 10th 2014,19:25:34 ) Does it really matter that much if someone else is on the same strategy or a different strategy? Or are you saying that you would deliberately choose a slower strategy unless you saw that someone else had chosen the faster strategy?
I don't really look times, but I look where I start from. According to that I have changed my CT risk, once I remember I planned to make half-push CT50, but as I did start from 25th I think it was, then decided not to and went for CT0.
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#23 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:37:08
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My strategy is to qualify in the last minute, so my shameful results are not shown to the other managers and they cannot laugh at me.
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Quote ( Mairo Toom @ June 10th 2014,19:35:56 ) According to that I have changed my CT risk, once I remember I planned to make half-push CT50, but as I did start from 25th I think it was, then decided not to and went for CT0.
So you've done that ONCE during the course of 580+ races.
and even if you had done it more than once...
Would you call that significant benefit ? :)
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#25 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:49:27 (last edited Jun 10th 2014, 19:50:20 by Mairo Toom)
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ June 10th 2014,19:41:00 ) So you've done that ONCE during the course of 580+ races.
and even if you had done it more than once...
Would you call that significant benefit ? :)
I talked about one situation, I have done it like 20-30 times.
Edit. But about the idea itself, I like it a bit...
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#26 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:53:48
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ June 10th 2014,19:35:16 )
Some people seem to think there's some "massive advantage", but there is not.
In certain specific circumstances there may be some minor benefit found, but that is really not so significant. This. Late qualifying is habitual, more than anything, in the case of a lot of people. Yes you might be able to second guess the strategies of your competitors but you should be able to get your strategy right without having to look at the qualifying times of others.
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#27 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:56:00
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Quote ( Mairo Toom @ June 10th 2014,19:49:27 ) I talked about one situation, I have done it like 20-30 times.
Back to post #20
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#28 posted Jun 10th 2014, 19:58:37
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ June 10th 2014,19:56:00 ) Back to post #20
Which creates an infinite loop of the same stuff over and over again. But no one can read this as you all went back to post #20 when you reached #27.
The only ones that have been saved are those that listened to post #4 and read the existing threads that already discuss this. You could even add discussion to them instead of fragmenting a suggestion across multiple threads if you like :)
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ June 10th 2014,19:58:37 ) Which creates an infinite loop of the same stuff over and over again. But no one can read this as you all went back to post #20 when you reached #27.
That's the whole point :)
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ June 10th 2014,19:58:37 ) The only ones that have been saved are those that listened to post #4 and read the existing threads that already discuss this.
Not the first time a lifeline has been offered, and it wouldn't be the first time if it was neglected
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