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Old post #540 posted Oct 6th 2014, 16:33:34 Quote 
Could've checked before I removed the link. :)
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Old post #541 posted Oct 6th 2014, 16:40:41 (last edited Oct 6th 2014, 16:41:12 by Mehdi El Fathy) Quote 
Aaaand the second video is deleted.
I wouldn't be surprised if the now viral video is getting saved and posted everywhere.
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Old post #542 posted Oct 6th 2014, 16:41:23 Quote 
On a sidenote, how can the FIA/FOM claim copyright on amateur videos made from other people? Juristic stuff isn't my strong point, but I would say "My video = My own rights"?
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Old post #543 posted Oct 6th 2014, 16:47:21 (last edited Oct 6th 2014, 16:51:25 by Mehdi El Fathy) Quote 
I'd say because the FIA/FOM own something that's in the footage. That's not allowed to show these when one didn't ask for any permissions.

As I said earlier, there are various videos on the Web, mainly on YouTube, Facebook, and as GIFs. For those who are curious, you can search them.
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Old post #544 posted Oct 6th 2014, 16:52:05 Quote 
Anyway, yesterday was the 2nd serious incident involved tractor/crane for last 2 years (Canada 2013 with marshal Mark Robinson; correct me if I wrong)... FIA should revised the "tractor" rules... F1 cars might have crash test but I think it will be worse if you hit the tractor/crane (with more than 3 tons of weight compare to the fence weight/F1 cars weight using nearly same components or heavier)

And... deepest condolences for Andrea de Cesaris, Italian former F1 driver with 200+ GP starts...
2014 Japanese GP, not a good weekend for F1... (mainly for Marrusia, 2nd incident with tractor/truck after de Vilota's accident)

#ForzaJules #KeepFightingMichael #RIPAndreadeCesaris :(
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Old post #545 posted Oct 6th 2014, 18:57:54 Quote 
About Post 12 waving the green flag, is correct. Seeing images from another angle, you can clearly see the car of Sutil is before post 12.

A green flag means, that the track is clear when you are past the flag, not when you see the flag.
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Old post #546 posted Oct 6th 2014, 23:25:22 (last edited Oct 6th 2014, 23:54:02 by Sven Bojkowski) Quote 
Quote ( Jeroen De Leur @ October 6th 2014,18:57:54 )

About Post 12 waving the green flag, is correct. Seeing images from another angle, you can clearly see the car of Sutil is before post 12.

A green flag means, that the track is clear when you are past the flag, not when you see the flag.


Watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS33TY50CU it appears that caution first waved beyond tower 12 once Sutil had crashed (0:06 of the video with notice saying "Yellow in track sector 8"), and that the caution beyond tower 12 was still in effect when Bianchi crashed. Yellow for track sector 7 waved shortly after sector 8 (at 0:23 of the video, about 17 seconds after sector 8). Does this not make it curious why the green flag would wave at all in tower 12 to signal green flag for sector 8, when the video clearly indicates Yellow for both sector 7 and 8, which are separated by tower 12?

It then indicates Double Yellow in sectors 7 and 8 at around 0:35-0:38 in the video, long before Bianchi reaches sector 7 with the man in tower 12 still waving the green flag.
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Old post #547 posted Oct 6th 2014, 23:44:18 Quote 
Talking of possible consequences:

In Le Mans they used a "Yellow Flag zone" system. Inside the yellow flag, drivers had to press a button (or do it manually, not sure) to slow down to a certain speed. Once past the yellow flag, they can switch it off (or just accelerate) again and continue. This system can work if it's pre-determined what speed to use in sectors.

While it can be harsher as in some drivers might lose time by having to go through that zone more times than others, it's better than a safety car, which usually screws up respecitvely helps drivers.
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Old post #548 posted Oct 6th 2014, 23:55:31 (last edited Oct 6th 2014, 23:56:13 by Dean Francis) Quote 
Shocking video! I had to view it and the speed he left the track is incredible. This is bad and could have been so much worse with the marshalls in the area. :(

I wish Jules a speedy recovery
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Old post #549 posted Oct 7th 2014, 00:04:03 (last edited Oct 7th 2014, 00:04:18 by Alin Costrasuc) Quote 
The impact was so big the tractor actually dropped Sutil's car that was currently attached to it. Massive impact, I don't know how Bianchi wasn't decapitated if his car went totally beneath the tractor.
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Old post #550 posted Oct 7th 2014, 00:12:30 Quote 
After this video its need to be said, that the F1 cars are super secure indeed. Its a miracle that he is still alive having only (well, "only" is not the best word, as the injures are very bad) head injuries. In 99% of other racing sports, this accident would end worst. I really hope Bianchi will recover and back to normal life. Right now this is the most important!
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Old post #551 posted Oct 7th 2014, 00:58:09 Quote 
I'm sorry but I won't even bother to read what others have said. I'm just gutted.

This was so completely wrong and idioctic by the FIA I'm lost for words.

If we compare this to the time they spent an hour fixing a railing after Kimi's crash... It just seems so idiotic.

Now under wet conditions, where one driver had already become a passenger, you put a metal guillotine on the side of the track.... Hoping and wishing that nobody else does the same... It just seems so god damn stupid I'm simply unable to find the adjectives for it. And what was the plusside in this even if nothing happened? To please the TV audiences? Is that the limit where the FIA draws the value of life? I'm sorry if this seems, or is, emotional, but I think it should be. This is an accident that could so easily have been avoided. I love my motorsports, but not this much, this was just foolish.
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Old post #552 posted Oct 7th 2014, 01:08:02 Quote 
Sven thx for the vid. Saw some stills directly from the oposit of post 12. You can clearly see the car of sutil is before post 12. Dont know why live timing isn't updated.
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Old post #553 posted Dec 3rd 2014, 17:52:14 Quote 
Quote ( Jeroen De Leur @ October 7th 2014,01:08:02 )

Sven thx for the vid. Saw some stills directly from the oposit of post 12. You can clearly see the car of sutil is before post 12. Dont know why live timing isn't updated.


Official report now released: http://www.fia.com/news/accident-panel

2. Sutil’s car was in the process of being recovered by mobile crane when Bianchi approached Sectors 7 and 8, which include the part of T 7 where the recovery was taking place. Sectors 7 and 8 were subject to double yellow flags.

3. Bianchi did not slow sufficiently to avoid losing control at the same point on the track as Sutil.


The live timing video I provided was indeed correct. Double yellow was in effect for both sectors around the place of the accident.
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Old post #554 posted Dec 3rd 2014, 19:34:41 Quote 
Quote ( Sven Bojkowski @ December 3rd 2014,17:52:14 )

The live timing video I provided was indeed correct. Double yellow was in effect for both sectors around the place of the accident.
So it seems it was Bianchis fault then? (cant open the link so unable to read the report)
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Old post #555 posted Dec 3rd 2014, 19:45:06 Quote 
Quote ( Jon Day @ December 3rd 2014,19:34:41 )

So it seems it was Bianchis fault then? (cant open the link so unable to read the report)

The report doesn't directly blame Bianchi for the incident, but it does say that he didn't slow down as much as Sutil and also that his car's brake-by-wire system conflicted with a standard safety system that all teams use that's supposed to stop you from braking and accelerating at the same time. Unfortunately their system overwrote that and so it became even more difficult for Bianchi to control the situation.

It was basically a huge amount of bad luck, but it was more or less Bianchi's fault for not slowing down enough and Marussia's for not building safe systems. There are other factors blamed there too though.
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Old post #556 posted Dec 3rd 2014, 19:52:58 Quote 
Thanks For taking the time to write that Pedro. Youre a star. :)
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Old post #557 posted Dec 4th 2014, 13:02:38 Quote 
Quote ( Jon Day @ December 3rd 2014,19:52:58 )

Thanks For taking the time to write that Pedro. Youre a star. :)

Hah, I hadn't read this yet. Is it getting hot in here...? :P no thanking needed. :)
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Old post #558 posted Dec 4th 2014, 14:03:06 Quote 
Maybe his fault .But more of weather and marrusia safety .Pray for bianchi
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