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Quote ( Marcin Milczarek @ February 11th 2015,02:51:31 ) Daniel, Daniel...
And what if You're wrong? :]
Let's say it's not true. Gonzalo will take it as a true answer and he will be playing it wrong.
Marcin Marcin... And what IF he is right, but due to you questioning him he assumes the opposite thus end up doing it wrong ? :)
(not claiming that it is so, just presenting the possibility)
Furthermore:
Quote ( Marcin Milczarek @ February 11th 2015,00:19:56 ) What the hell?
I play GPRO since November 2008 and till December 5th, 2014 I had not more than... about 20-25 pull-backs from negotiations. Think about it. It's my 33th season. In my whole career (6 years) 25 pull-backs (till Dec 2014) and in the last about 20 races (2 months) 5 pull-backs. It's a record.
Honeslty, this is something new for me.
edit: Oh.. And I'm not complaining or crying like a bitch. Just saying :]
Weird thing.
Couple possibilities spring to mind:
- Maybe you've been operating under false assumptions, but have just been ultra lucky in the past, and the reality is just catching up...
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- Maybe you have changed your M.O in some way (possibly unconsciously)
Just as comparison, from Feb 2008 'till this day I've had app. 10 cancellations, all anticipated.
Quote ( Shane Ferguson @ February 11th 2015,04:05:21 ) I don't like the sponsor negotiations in this game..it takes too long to sign one even when you have a stellar season
During a "stellar season" on can get a sponsor in less than 7 races, which makes it 2+ signed contracts during one season
Quote ( Jon Garay @ February 11th 2015,04:53:06 ) the sponsor system. One of the few, shall we say, undiscovered parts of the game.
Indeed. As some have stated here, the sponsor aspect (just as other aspects) take some time and effort to discover.
Handling finances is a part of managing, and sponsors is a part of that. Your (potential) rivals most likely won't just hand over the information.
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The sponsor challenge can be frusttating but boy is success a good feeling;)
Its not broken but sure can feel that way when things go ary must agree.
It certainly does appear that managers can and usually do get caught out undervaluing the impact of some of the sponsor stats that at first glance dont appear all that important compared to others.
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#33 posted Feb 11th 2015, 07:01:50
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While some cry over sponsor difficulties, others laugh all the way to the"gpro" banks.
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ February 11th 2015,06:08:04 ) During a "stellar season" on can get a sponsor in less than 7 races, which makes it 2+ signed contracts during one season
In a 17 race season ..you don't think that's a long time?...and what about an average progress season can take longer to sign..in a 17 race season ,all while trying to manage driver oa,and finances..Sponsorship contracting takes too long to achieve ..we should be able to sign sponsors during season break for the whole season worth of races.All forms of racing sign sponsors during off season before the first race, it should be no different here in my opinion...then there is the low payout verses cost..sponsor gives you 700k a race and that wont cover most driver salaries not to mention parts cost to run like hell to keep the sponsor happy...Ive never had trouble with sponsorship ..this season has been the exception and it appears I'm not the only one having this issue..just look how many here say the same
I noticed you only have 1 sponsor yourself Mikko so looks like your not having the best of luck with signing either
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#35 posted Feb 11th 2015, 10:53:53
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Quote ( George Odhis @ February 11th 2015,07:01:50 ) While some cry over sponsor difficulties, others laugh all the way to the"gpro" banks.
It would seem more evidence is appearing that there is a 'trick' and that once learnt that is that...
so, no more nice guy truthful answers... and much more I will be changing...
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ February 11th 2015,06:08:04 ) During a "stellar season" on can get a sponsor in less than 7 races, which makes it 2+ signed contracts during one season
I have had 2 sponsors in one season with a third about to come online... In itself this is a long time... I always thought I had it sussed - but this season things have been different...
Will be thinking more...
Quote ( Shane Ferguson @ February 11th 2015,07:25:41 ) we should be able to sign sponsors during season break for the whole season worth of races.All forms of racing sign sponsors during off season before the first race
Agree entirely
Quote ( Shane Ferguson @ February 11th 2015,07:25:41 ) Ive never had trouble with sponsorship ..this season has been the exception and it appears I'm not the only one having this issue..just look how many here say the same
It could be that it's just our turn - BUT - if there is a growing number who agree, then maybe things have changed in the game?
Good luck to all...
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#36 posted Feb 11th 2015, 11:03:19
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I had 5 sponsors signed this whole season, 3 at the moment as 2 have finished their contracts. I have sponsors ready to get those spots, but won't sign them now because is not the right moment for those sponsors.
And this said, I'm still learning a lot about sponsors. But it takes time, effort, and a lot of work with your teammates.
Anyway, for what I read in this thread is easier to say, hey, I don't know how it works, it must be broken, tell me how it works or fix it.
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#37 posted Feb 11th 2015, 11:10:28
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Quote ( Shane Ferguson @ February 11th 2015,07:25:41 ) we should be able to sign sponsors during season break
So what, then, determines the details of the contract (amount per race, etc)?
Quote ( Shane Ferguson @ February 11th 2015,07:25:41 ) for the whole season worth of races
I don't think giving everyone all the money they need every season will improve the gaming experience =]
Quote ( Shane Ferguson @ February 11th 2015,07:25:41 ) .All forms of racing sign sponsors during off season before the first race, it should be no different here in my opinion
This is not a form of racing, it's a management game. Sometimes realism has to be sacrificed for playability.
Quote ( Shane Ferguson @ February 11th 2015,07:25:41 ) .then there is the low payout verses cost..sponsor gives you 700k a race and that wont cover most driver salaries not to mention parts cost to run like hell to keep the sponsor happy
You have a certain amount of influence on this.
Quote ( Shane Ferguson @ February 11th 2015,07:25:41 ) I noticed you only have 1 sponsor yourself Mikko so looks like your not having the best of luck with signing either
Mikko's just a terrible manager =D
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#38 posted Feb 11th 2015, 11:11:44
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Try not having sponsors as it may cure some of your frustrations. Or even better, outsmart them bastards by reaching 90% and canceling negotiation ;)
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#39 posted Feb 11th 2015, 12:16:33
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This is funny, that some guys try to explain everything. No bugs, your fault, etc.
Bullshit.
I'm SURE the sponsor system has serious bugs!
Here is mine, try to explain this:
At the beginning of this season our group got a few new sponsors.
I started to talk with one of them on the highest priority.
And one of my opponents did the same. (you know that, yellow text) No others.
At first, nothing special, depends on the results, one of us was ahead by 1-2%.
Great race - I thought.
Unfortunatly during the first 15 race I had 5(!!!) randoms so 2 race before my opponent took the lead. I was on 71.4%, the average was 72%, so I thought he has 73%.
Well, after the race I got the message, this sponsor agreed with another manager. Wait, WHAT???
Actually he has much weaker result than me, but forget it.
How the hell he gained by 27% in a single race??
I never got more then 10.5% and it was in an Amateur Group and as I experienced in higher levels your progress is slower.
So try to explain this for me, and tell its not a BUG...
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#40 posted Feb 11th 2015, 12:19:25
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Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,12:16:33 ) So try to explain this for me, and tell its not a BUG...
There were two other managers negotiating with the sponsor, not one =]
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I never had a problem with any sponsor. I must be a bug too? You can not just try with any sponsor, but you need to choose it carefully ... Or keep on blaming a bug.
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#42 posted Feb 11th 2015, 12:31:48
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People so often misinterprete the colors yellow and orange :)
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#43 posted Feb 11th 2015, 12:34:03
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Sponsor system works fine.
you guys just have to adapt your personal expectations.
also there is a lot to learn about sponsor negotiation:
Quote ( Max Watson @ February 11th 2015,12:19:25 ) There were two other managers negotiating with the sponsor, not one =]
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#44 posted Feb 11th 2015, 12:40:06
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Quote ( Max Watson @ February 11th 2015,12:19:25 ) There were two other managers negotiating with the sponsor, not one =]
And there's the answer.
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#45 posted Feb 11th 2015, 13:08:13
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Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,12:16:33 ) I'm SURE the sponsor system has serious bugs!
Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,12:16:33 ) Bullshit.
Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,12:16:33 ) So try to explain this for me, and tell its not a BUG...
Quote ( Max Watson @ February 11th 2015,12:19:25 ) There were two other managers negotiating with the sponsor, not one =]
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#46 posted Feb 11th 2015, 13:15:44
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were is the issue :P
Dec 23rd, 2014 Your contract with ORM(Amateur - 18) has run out
Dec 19th, 2014 Your contract with Elysiums(Amateur - 18) has run out
Dec 9th, 2014 Your contract with Heikenen(Amateur - 18) has run out
Nov 4th, 2014 Your contract with Uhrendirect(Amateur - 18) has run out
No seriously the sponsoring is complicated, only my team had done lots of research, and although I still to buy some of the logica my team had worked out, it seems to work. Have lost 1 sponsor of I dont know 6 seasons or so, and that was only few races before their contract ended
Our team has probably found the way to pick sponsors and how to treat them (answers , results etc.)
I only cant get a grip on the offered amounts, but that something else.
So conclusion is work together and register all data !! you will find patterns
If you just try randomly you will keep losing sponsors for ever
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#47 posted Feb 11th 2015, 13:38:59
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Ok guys, I'm copying this from the Sponsor page, u can check it:
Green color says: We believe no other managers are negotiating with
Yellow: We believe another manager has recently entered negotiations with
Orange: We believe other managers are negotiating with
So now u tell me both "other manager" and "other managers" means more than one.
Thats very logical.
And what u say, when u have exactly one opponent? Which color means this?
And in your case, what is the difference between yellow and orange?
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#48 posted Feb 11th 2015, 13:41:18
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yellow: another manager (1)
orange: other managers (2 or more)
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#49 posted Feb 11th 2015, 13:42:56
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Quote ( Giuseppe Masciandaro @ February 11th 2015,13:41:18 )
yellow: another manager (1)
orange: other managers (2 or more)
Nope.
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#50 posted Feb 11th 2015, 13:45:54
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And again, please try to understand what I'm saying.
I said, the difference between my progress and in the averge, never was bigger than 1-2%.
Something like this:
Me: 8% - 15% - 23% - 30% ... 71.4% - lost
Average: 7% - 14% - 22% - 30% ... 72% - 100%
So where is the mysterious 3rd manager??
Or somehow one of them gained 28% at the end in one race.
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#51 posted Feb 11th 2015, 13:47:14
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you should become member of a decent team, that could give you all this answers
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Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,13:45:54 ) So where is the mysterious 3rd manager??
Or somehow one of them gained 28% at the end in one race.
No one gained 28%. All the time 3rd mysterious manager was in front of you.
You: 08 15 23 30 ... 71
The mysterious one: 10 20 30 40 ... 100
The one you thought to be your only opponent: 03 07 13 20 ... 45
Avg: 07 14 22 30 ... 72
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#53 posted Feb 11th 2015, 13:55:07
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Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,13:38:59 ) Ok guys, I'm copying this from the Sponsor page, u can check it:
Green color says: We believe no other managers are negotiating with
Yellow: We believe another manager has recently entered negotiations with
Orange: We believe other managers are negotiating with
So now u tell me both "other manager" and "other managers" means more than one.
Thats very logical.
And what u say, when u have exactly one opponent? Which color means this?
And in your case, what is the difference between yellow and orange?
Take a note that they are not sure and say "we believe" :]
...?!
Hey, wait... And who is that "we"?... I mean "they"?
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#54 posted Feb 11th 2015, 13:58:17
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LOL, seriously guys, its pathetic.
Any other good advice?
I AM IN a team, which is actually an association of 10 teams.
We are working as a team, collecting and analyzing every data and we exactly see if something is wrong.
About the sponsors, something is definetaly wrong.
But u guys in this topic, not even try to understand this.
One says yellow = 1 manager, the other says yellow = 2 managers. And etc.
This show me clearly how u all understand the sponsors.
But I give it up, think whatever u want, sponsors works fine...
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Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,13:58:17 ) This show me clearly how u all understand the sponsors.
Some understand, some don't. As easy as that :-D
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#56 posted Feb 11th 2015, 14:02:30
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Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,13:38:59 ) Yellow: We believe another manager has recently entered negotiations with
Orange: We believe other managers are negotiating with
Yellow: We believe another manager has recently entered negotiations with
Orange: We believe other managers are negotiating with
and what its wrong (according to you) with this?
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#57 posted Feb 11th 2015, 14:05:20
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Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,13:58:17 ) But I give it up, think whatever u want, sponsors works fine...
you are welcome!
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#58 posted Feb 11th 2015, 14:06:54 (last edited Feb 11th 2015, 14:09:29 by Gyula Soos)
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Quote ( Tomek Kiełpiński @ February 11th 2015,13:50:58 ) Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,13:45:54 )
So where is the mysterious 3rd manager??
Or somehow one of them gained 28% at the end in one race.
No one gained 28%. All the time 3rd mysterious manager was in front of you.
You: 08 15 23 30 ... 71
The mysterious one: 10 20 30 40 ... 100
The one you thought to be your only opponent: 03 07 13 20 ... 45
Avg: 07 14 22 30 ... 72
Ok, +1 for this one, your answer is the first which even try to understand me.
Well, it is really hard, but I try to accept your version: after all races, the two other guy were on a level (in summary) which was near the average. Hard, but give a chance for this.
But this sponsor was yellow during the whole season. And GPRO says its (one) another manager, not more.
So in your opinion, which is the difference between yellow and orange texted sponsors?
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Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,14:06:54 ) But this sponsor was yellow during the whole season. And GPRO says its (one) another manager, not more.
So in your opinion, which is the difference between yellow and orange texted sponsors?
Don't believe in every written word here. I've seen some day a wooden fence, with a hole in it and "Chicks" written below. Could you imagine my dissapointment when I FOBY-ed it and found that there were no girls inside, but a farm? :-P
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#60 posted Feb 11th 2015, 14:13:48
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Quote ( Gyula Soos @ February 11th 2015,14:06:54 ) So in your opinion, which is the difference between yellow and orange texted sponsors?
you and your famous team could do some research about this, Tomek has given a lot of hints
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