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#1 posted Feb 10th 2021, 09:06:10
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Just a thought on observations in F1 and GPRO.
It seems, IMHO, that to succeed as a driver in F1 and win the drivers championship, a degree of "nastiness" needs to be a part of the personality (seemingly Lewis Hamilton is an exception to this). Schumacher, Prost, Senna etc come to mind. All had incidents in their careers that showed a determination to win at all costs, without considering whether their public image would be tainted. Verstappen would probably be included in this group.
And now to GPRO, where the people in the Elite group currently seem to be some of the nicest people around. Josh and Wouter are prime examples.
Feel free to give your opinions, and whether adapting one or the other would assist you in your progress.
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i need another option as ''depends'' :) i can be very nice to someone but can be very nasty to the other
E: my second mood is just below now :P
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Quote ( Johan Swanepoel @ February 10th 2021,09:06:10 )
Just a thought on observations in F1 and GPRO.
It seems, IMHO, that to succeed as a driver in F1 and win the drivers championship, a degree of "nastiness" needs to be a part of the personality (seemingly Lewis Hamilton is an exception to this).
Feel free to give your opinions, and whether adapting one or the other would assist you in your progress.
Lewis and not nasty.... (shakes head)
He is the nastiest F1 driver I have ever seen....
Have you forgotton 2016... when he was a crybaby... and still is.....
or in his rookie season.. 2007
or his 'contact drama' for this season....
Quote ( Onur Guardian @ February 10th 2021,09:12:55 ) i need another option as ''depends'' :) i can be very nice to someone but can be very nasty to the other
E: my second mood is just below now :P
LOL
I have just moved on.....
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#4 posted Feb 10th 2021, 09:22:54
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Quote ( Sagar Abhyankar @ February 10th 2021,09:14:26 ) Lewis and not nasty.... (shakes head)
He is the nastiest F1 driver I have ever seen....
i think he wanted to say he is ''nasty'' i was be sure when i saw Schumacher and Prost there :)
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#5 posted Feb 10th 2021, 09:43:19
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Just going to add some names to support my theory.
Nice guys:
David Coulthard, Rubins Barrichello, Filipe Massa, Albon, Bottas - none of them champions.
Nasty:
Alonso, Vettel, Lauda, Hunt, Piquet, Villeneuve -Champions all.
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#6 posted Feb 10th 2021, 10:10:36
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Quote ( Johan Swanepoel @ February 10th 2021,09:43:19 ) Just going to add some names to support my theory.
Nice guys:
David Coulthard, Rubins Barrichello, Filipe Massa, Albon, Bottas - none of them champions.
Nasty:
Alonso, Vettel, Lauda, Hunt, Piquet, Villeneuve -Champions all.
Where would you put Verstappen?
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#7 posted Feb 10th 2021, 10:59:38
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I think both is the answer, although not necessarily nasty, but ruthless. To get what you want, you have to occasionally step over people, especially if there is only one winner. it can be done gracefully but ruthlessly at the same time.
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#8 posted Feb 10th 2021, 11:02:53
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There are a few driver stats which represent what I think you're referring to.
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#9 posted Feb 10th 2021, 11:15:56
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It's not a factor in GPRO because there's no direct competition and screwing others over, everyone's kinda playing their own game.
There's also nothing to be gained from being an ass in the PR or even psychological department.
And I'd say driving fast and managing spreadsheets attract quite a different crowd.
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#10 posted Feb 10th 2021, 11:56:43
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Verstappen falls in my nasty group.
I like the "ruthless" word used above, but used "poetic licence" with the "nice or nasty" choice.
As far as it not being a factor in GPRO, what about a manager who is mid-pack in his group, but wants a tick in the box for being on pole, so does a qualy with 15 liters of fuel, That spoils it for the manager trying to get pole, fastest lap, and the win.
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Quote ( Johan Swanepoel @ February 10th 2021,09:43:19 ) Just going to add some names to support my theory.
Nice guys:
David Coulthard, Rubins Barrichello, Filipe Massa, Albon, Bottas - none of them champions.
Nasty:
Alonso, Vettel, Lauda, Hunt, Piquet, Villeneuve -Champions all.
Prost. "Nice" guy. 4 times champion. Most wins record until Schumacher. 106 podiums.
Hamilton? Ah, you mention both. But don't see nasty in Prost.
Nasty have to get nice and nice have to get nasty.
Scheckter, Perhaps the nastiest, at least driving, had to get nicer to be champion.
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#12 posted Feb 10th 2021, 18:17:44
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Voted nasty simply because it’s a fun word to say ;)
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#13 posted Feb 10th 2021, 19:05:39
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F1, like any sport, is extremely competitive. Those who are willing to sacrifice more to achieve success will be more likely to thrive. In GPRO you can't really influence what your opponents do or don't do. And since GPRO also has teams and therefore a certain co-operative effect, it benefits more charismatic and "nicer" people. Plus, a lot of us have our own goals in the game, not everyone's focused on winning the Elite championship.
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#14 posted Feb 10th 2021, 19:10:04
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Nice obviously ya pr*** ;)
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#15 posted Feb 10th 2021, 19:29:45
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ February 10th 2021,19:05:39 ) not everyone's focused on winning the Elite championship
Some just prefer to beat on less experienced people in ama c:
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#16 posted Feb 10th 2021, 19:37:35
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This theory makes a lot of sense. In my team for example - Jan, Yug or Dede are all nasty therefore they won their cups, I'm nice so I don't have any. But this party ends now. My new resolution is to become bitter and rude!
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#17 posted Feb 10th 2021, 20:12:58
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I think nasty is a little over the top. Ruthless I would agree with. But is this not a way of life. Dog eat dog syndrome.
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#18 posted Feb 10th 2021, 20:17:06
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Quote ( Johan Swanepoel @ February 10th 2021,09:43:19 ) Just going to add some names to support my theory.
Nice guys:
David Coulthard, Rubins Barrichello, Filipe Massa, Albon, Bottas - none of them champions.
Nasty:
Alonso, Vettel, Lauda, Hunt, Piquet, Villeneuve -Champions all.
How about Button? :D
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#19 posted Feb 10th 2021, 20:36:50
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Quote ( Montes Dimemola @ February 10th 2021,20:17:06 ) How about Button? :D He's nice. I don't remember him being nasty in 2009, or even since. Until that salty karting driver last year, Luca Corberi, he was always a calm man, neutral, until he won a race.
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#20 posted Feb 11th 2021, 04:50:26
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Quote ( Zé Pedro Paula @ February 10th 2021,17:12:44 ) Quote ( Johan Swanepoel @ February 10th 2021,09:43:19 )
Prost. "Nice" guy. 4 times champion. Most wins record until Schumacher. 106 podiums.
Hamilton? Ah, you mention both. But don't see nasty in Prost.
Nasty have to get nice and nice have to get nasty.
Scheckter, Perhaps the nastiest, at least driving, had to get nicer to be champion.
I agree that Prost was mostly a nice guy , except when it came to Senna. A great champion.
Scheckter -well spotted with the South African connection. I wasn't going to go there for patriotic reasons, but crasher Scheckter would have to be a "nasty". Selfish and single minded, like a true champion.
Button is "Nice", but not a great champion. Drove for years without getting anywhere, and then found himself in a great car that Brawn took over when Honda pulled the plug. Just lucky to be in a winning car.
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#21 posted Feb 11th 2021, 08:12:09
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Sometimes being nice is a way of compensating for your shortcomings, prime example of this is Vettel. Last year in Russia he picked up his own front wing after hitting the wall, saying shit like "If I make a mess, I clean it up." He's had several accidents in the past and has never picked up any debris,
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#22 posted Feb 11th 2021, 10:17:14
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N. Rosberg had to get nasty to be champion. Bottas said in a recent interview that, as I just quote him, Rosberg snuck 'into Hamilton's skin' to win the title. TBH it was so close between Rosberg and Hamilton that they were both nasty to each other but weren't allowed to show that to the press.
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#23 posted Feb 11th 2021, 10:18:52
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Welcome to the game Ryan Jones.
I think you have become a GPRO addict now. :D
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#24 posted Feb 11th 2021, 10:28:07
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Quote ( Luke Frost @ February 11th 2021,10:18:52 ) Welcome to the game Ryan Jones.
I think you have become a GPRO addict now. :D
Thanks, well, before I started the front wing poll I never messaged on the forums. I used to mark them all as read and move on. I've realised it's better to interact with the community.
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Quote ( Sagar Abhyankar @ February 10th 2021,09:14:26 ) Lewis and not nasty.... (shakes head)
He is the nastiest F1 driver I have ever seen....
Have you forgotton 2016... when he was a crybaby... and still is.....
or in his rookie season.. 2007
or his 'contact drama' for this season....
There is a big difference between not giving an inch out of competitiveness, sometimes leading to a crash and taking someone out in "spite".
Several drivers drive like the first part, actually most champs do.
I would consider "cheating" pretty nasty.... Maybe like parking your car in a turn where noone can get past, ruining other racers quali chances... Hard to prove as cheating, but obvious to anyone watching.
Perhaps taking someone out in the first corner on purpose, by not steering into the corner at all, is another possible example... Competitiveness over the verge to nastiness maybe.
I don´t remember seeing Hamilton take anyone out on purpose and have a very hard time seeing him as a nasty driver, or a nasty personality. :)
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#26 posted Feb 11th 2021, 12:20:12
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Quote ( Atli Thor Johannesson @ February 11th 2021,11:08:57 )
I don´t remember seeing Hamilton take anyone out on purpose and have a very hard time seeing him as a nasty driver, or a nasty personality. :)
It's all behind the scenes.
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#27 posted Feb 11th 2021, 13:33:36
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Quote ( Constantin Heller @ February 10th 2021,11:15:56 ) It's not a factor in GPRO because there's no direct competition and screwing others over, everyone's kinda playing their own game.
You get a bit of nice and nasty action in Elite sponsor fights sometimes. It is quite limited though yea.
Quote ( Johan Swanepoel @ February 10th 2021,09:06:10 ) to succeed as a driver in F1 and win the drivers championship, a degree of "nastiness" needs to be a part of the personality
Are you sure there's causation here? Maybe it's just that you have to be super-talented in the first place for employees to overlook how much of an asshole you are and not fire you long before you get near an F1 car. Conversely you better have fantastic niceguy charisma to get away with being mediocre on track. ie. a survivorship bias where nasty drivers with no championship potential are all filtered out.
Which would play into this too:
Quote ( Sudeep Pednekar @ February 11th 2021,08:12:09 ) Sometimes being nice is a way of compensating for your shortcomings
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#28 posted Feb 11th 2021, 14:53:00
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Quote ( Johan Swanepoel @ February 10th 2021,09:43:19 ) Nasty:
Alonso, Vettel, Lauda, Hunt, Piquet, Villeneuve -Champions all.
James Hunt never had been nasty - was he? Maybe once or twice, but surely he belonged to the nicest guys ever.
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#29 posted Feb 11th 2021, 17:18:12
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@Johan Swanepoel (A13)
But you're generally right. Or averagely. If you see F1 team mates head to head you'll find that the ones with most DNFs are the most successful.
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