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Matthew Erry
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Old post #1 posted May 23rd 2008, 17:24:10 Quote 
Monaco seems to be the race that levels the playing field a bit. When I see the top Rookie qualifying times get within 6 seconds of the top elite times I can help but wonder??? I realise its a tight track relying on acceleration a lot, but 6 seconds? I would've thought the gap would be bigger when looking at the gap in driver skills, and less so for the large gap in car levels. Are any other tracks like this one?
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Old post #2 posted May 23rd 2008, 17:26:52 Quote 
lol .1 second in f1 is like the distance between Earth and Sun....
you said 6 seconds? :)
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Old post #3 posted May 23rd 2008, 17:27:16 Quote 
Ahhh, you need to look at the circuit stats then things will become clear
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Old post #4 posted May 23rd 2008, 17:29:40 Quote 
Brian O'Neal, the guy who is the fastest in rookie, just got relegated for being in the negative last year, he's won every race I believe this season. But Monoco is one of the tighter track so it's going to be closer. O'Neal is light years above anybody right now in Rookie.
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Old post #5 posted May 23rd 2008, 17:31:59 Quote 
Quote ( Dan Dumitras @ May 23rd 2008,17:26:52 )

lol .1 second in f1 is like the distance between Earth and Sun....
you said 6 seconds? :)


Yep, put 2 entire divisions of cars in those 6 seconds....... looks crowded there doesn't it :)

Nigel, which stats mate? It's short n twisty..... so?
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Old post #6 posted May 23rd 2008, 18:14:21 Quote 

Quote ( Matthew Erry @ May 23rd 2008,17:31:59 )

It's short n twisty..... so?


Exactly!
Short laps means the lap times will not be as far apart.
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Old post #7 posted May 23rd 2008, 18:21:30 Quote 
Great… That means if I were in Elite this season I would only finish 6 laps down to the leader…. if I were lucky. Doesn’t seem that impressive to me.

But I am happy with the car this season
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Old post #8 posted May 23rd 2008, 18:24:24 (last edited May 23rd 2008, 18:25:27 by Mikko Heikkinen) Quote 
Quote ( Brian O Neal @ May 23rd 2008,18:21:30 )

That means if I were in Elite this season I would only finish 6 laps down to the leader


I would seriously doubt it - you haven't taken strategy into account there...

You really can't compaire your Q times and draw conclutions from that

Could be that elite has 1 stop and you have 5...
Not to mention the overall race speed difference
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Old post #9 posted May 23rd 2008, 18:25:21 Quote 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 23rd 2008,18:24:24 )

Could be that elite has 1 stop and you have 5...


My friend that would not be the case.... :)
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Old post #10 posted May 23rd 2008, 18:33:07 (last edited May 23rd 2008, 18:33:42 by Mikko Heikkinen) Quote 
Not saying that it's impossible - just stating that when the light are out and it's race time - there's a real difference.

When it's time to put consistant good laptimes on the board, there's no compairing elite and rookie drivers...
Or so I would imagine :P
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Old post #11 posted May 23rd 2008, 18:39:45 Quote 
i am for sure that elite is going 2 stopper or 3, and brian fro sure is going to do good. i think i am in the same strategy as him, hope my guy is fast enough. :)
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Old post #12 posted May 23rd 2008, 18:40:59 Quote 
The track is just short.
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Old post #13 posted May 23rd 2008, 18:41:18 Quote 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 23rd 2008,18:33:07 )

there's no compairing elite and rookie drivers...


Trust me I completely understand that. I'm not the one comparing my car to an elite car. I am just trying to run one race at a time and get promoted next season... maybe I will be in A-13 next season
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Old post #14 posted May 23rd 2008, 18:41:24 Quote 
Brian's car wouldn't survive the risks needed to have a chance finishing within the 90% rule. Nevertheless good job!

Remember those guys showing in the first 10 places in the Rookie Qualifying statistic often have very good drivers, capable of running them in Amateur (with various success but still). So these time aren't the best benchmark of the Rookie groups...
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Old post #15 posted May 23rd 2008, 18:41:57 Quote 
Quote ( Rinat Hafisoff @ May 23rd 2008,18:40:59 )

The track is just short.


yeap the shorter the less diference there is to de elite cars.
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Old post #16 posted May 23rd 2008, 18:47:09 Quote 
Quote ( Brian O Neal @ May 23rd 2008,18:41:18 )

maybe I will be in A-13 next season


And maybe I won't :P

But it might be nice if we both would be...
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Old post #17 posted May 23rd 2008, 22:02:03 Quote 
Quote ( Jan Zaluski @ May 23rd 2008,18:41:24 )

Brian's car wouldn't survive the risks needed to have a chance finishing within the 90% rule. Nevertheless good job!


What are you talking about?
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Old post #18 posted May 23rd 2008, 22:03:11 Quote 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 23rd 2008,18:24:24 )

Could be that elite has 1 stop and you have 5...


Actually they ran a 3-stop race and I ran a 2 stopper.
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Old post #19 posted May 23rd 2008, 22:06:02 Quote 
Quote ( Brian O Neal @ May 23rd 2008,22:02:03 )

What are you talking about?

Treat those two sentences as seperate ones. The first one is regarding your chances in elite with current line-up and the second one is about your performance this season (getting so near the higher groups). Now clear? ;)
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Old post #20 posted May 23rd 2008, 22:20:56 Quote 
Quote ( Jan Zaluski @ May 23rd 2008,22:06:02 )

Now clear?


Yes... I got it now.

I am just trilled to be competitive..... It seems like forever since I’ve promoted.
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