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⚡️ In the colonies of St. Petersburg, prisoners began to be recruited as "volunteers" for a trip to the Donbass as part of the Wagner PMC.
This was told to Russian journalists by relatives of convicts serving sentences in IK-7 Yablonevka and IK-6 Obukhovo. For six months of service, the "volunteer" is promised to be paid 200 thousand rubles and amnestied.
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⚡️ Putin's entourage has been in quarantine for about two years with constant isolation and medical tests
According to Air Force sources, Putin's pilots and doctors are regularly in isolation, and in order to get into quarantine, you need to pass a blood test for antibodies to the coronavirus two days in advance. If a person did not have antibodies indicating that he was sick, then after 14 days of isolation he received admission to the "clean zone" to meet with Putin.
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The failed peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia will allow Russian dictator Vladimir Putin to regroup his forces and go on the offensive again. This was announced by British Foreign Minister Liz Truss.
"Ukraine needs a clear victory," Truss said. She emphasized that the world cannot afford another Minsk agreement. "Putin is behaving like a terrible dictator... We all know that a poorly drafted peace deal will allow Putin to regroup and go on the offensive again," she said, when asked if Europe could once again face a compromise deal like " Munich".
"We want the Kyiv authorities to receive maximum military assistance in this crucial period of the war, both in terms of equipment and training, so that the Ukrainian army can launch a counteroffensive against Russia," the minister said.
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War in Ukraine. Total estimated losses of the Russian occupying forces for the 132nd day (07.05.22)
~ 36350(+150) In personnel
~ 1000 POWs
217 Airplanes
187 helicopters
1594(+5) Tanks
3772(+18) BBM
806(+2) Artillery systems
105 Means of air defense
247(+1) RSZV
2634(+5) Automotive equipment and tanks with PMM
15 Ships and boats
660(+2) Operational-tactical UAVs
144 cruise missiles
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In addition to grain, agricultural machinery and toilet bowls, Russia steals gas in Ukraine. On the infographic, gas production on the on the occupied shelf near Crimea since 2014. The columns are billions of cubic meters, for a total cost of 4 billion dollars, if calculated at prices at the time of production.
https://t.me/uawarinfographics/886
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Quote ( Serhiy Cherkasov @ July 5th 2022,10:00:40 ) War in Ukraine. Total estimated losses of the Russian occupying forces for the 132nd day (07.05.22)
~ 36350(+150) In personnel
~ 1000 POWs
217 Airplanes
187 helicopters
1594(+5) Tanks
3772(+18) BBM
806(+2) Artillery systems
105 Means of air defense
247(+1) RSZV
2634(+5) Automotive equipment and tanks with PMM
15 Ships and boats
660(+2) Operational-tactical UAVs
144 cruise missiles
I dont want to offend you or anything but do they give numbers about Ukrainian losses too. I understand if they don't not to demoralize people, at least i wouldn't give those numbers if i was your leader. It is just i am wondering about it.
Quote ( Serhiy Cherkasov @ July 5th 2022,09:37:56 )
"We want the Kyiv authorities to receive maximum military assistance in this crucial period of the war, both in terms of equipment and training, so that the Ukrainian army can launch a counteroffensive against Russia," the minister said.
Question is is there time to give those training? I fear there isn't so i am wondering how they will come with a solution for that?
I understand that you can train people when not at war but when you are already at war i doubt you can miss the soldiers at the front to train them.
Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ July 5th 2022,10:51:01 ) In addition to grain, agricultural machinery and toilet bowls, Russia steals gas in Ukraine. On the infographic, gas production on the on the occupied shelf near Crimea since 2014. The columns are billions of cubic meters, for a total cost of 4 billion dollars, if calculated at prices at the time of production.
And here we come to what i said in the weekend that they want Ukraine for their raw materials. Why they need toilet bowls beats me but then again i can't look into their heads ofcourse.
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Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ July 5th 2022,11:37:02 ) And here we come to what i said in the weekend that they want Ukraine for their raw materials. Why they need toilet bowls beats me but then again i can't look into their heads ofcourse.
When it comes to Russia, where there is no real internal market, antitrust balances, where the law works in manual mode - yes, they need resources and new slaves. But this cannot be said about Western countries - of course, if the opportunity comes up to buy raw materials cheaper - they use it, but here the choice is ours - either to sell timber to Europe or boards, or finished products - this is the gulf between the "Russian world" and the world European.
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Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ July 5th 2022,11:37:02 ) In addition to grain, agricultural machinery and toilet bowls, Russia steals gas in Ukraine. On the infographic, gas production on the on the occupied shelf near Crimea since 2014. The columns are billions of cubic meters, for a total cost of 4 billion dollars, if calculated at prices at the time of production.
And here we come to what i said in the weekend that they want Ukraine for their raw materials. Why they need toilet bowls beats me but then again i can't look into their heads ofcourse. I don't want to delve into economics. I'm not as smart a person in this as Igor. But I still want to note that Crimea has always been a subsidized region. Therefore, it is unlikely that Russia did this for economic reasons. About grain, steel, gas and the toilet bowls(the most important of all, of course, toilet bowls). This is war. The territory is captured, the resources are taken to the winner. I don't want to humiliate anyone, but it's the truth about what's going on.
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⚡️ In the park in the center of Mariupol, the Russians are engaged in looting - they dismantled the playground and granite tiles and took them to occupied Donetsk, - said Petr Andryushchenko, adviser to the mayor of Mariupol.
He noted that in the near future it will be possible to see a renovated street in Donetsk at the expense of Mariupol taxpayers.
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Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,13:55:04 )
I don't want to delve into economics. I'm not as smart a person in this as Igor. But I still want to note that Crimea has always been a subsidized region. Therefore, it is unlikely that Russia did this for economic reasons. About grain, steel, gas and the toilet bowls(the most important of all, of course, toilet bowls). This is war. The territory is captured, the resources are taken to the winner. I don't want to humiliate anyone, but it's the truth about what's going on.
You just admitted that Russia is not conducting a "special operation" but a war of aggression! Like in the Middle Ages!
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Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,13:55:04 ) I don't want to delve into economics. I'm not as smart a person in this as Igor. But I still want to note that Crimea has always been a subsidized region. Therefore, it is unlikely that Russia did this for economic reasons. About grain, steel, gas and the toilet bowls(the most important of all, of course, toilet bowls). This is war. The territory is captured, the resources are taken to the winner. I don't want to humiliate anyone, but it's the truth about what's going on.
You didn't have to be there to start with. your president just wanted to invade ukraine and annex parts of it to russia nothing more nothing less and this proves it
https://www.hln.be/buitenland/voormalig-lid-van-russische-ge...
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Do you mean that Russia illegally occupied Crimea? Well, maybe it's illegal, and maybe it's legal. That's not the point. I just said (contrary to your words) that it was not economically justified in every way.
About Kherson. I think that Russia initially had no plans to annex the regions of Ukraine.
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Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ July 5th 2022,14:31:16 ) Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,13:55:04 )
You didn't have to be there to start with. your president just wanted to invade ukraine and annex parts of it to russia nothing more nothing less and this proves it
https://www.hln.be/buitenland/voormalig-lid-van-russische-ge... The truth has finally come to you!
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Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,14:41:40 ) About Kherson. I think that Russia initially had no plans to annex the regions of Ukraine.
Why invade it then? Too many russians that you could have some killed? Too many Ukrainians so they could be killed aswell? It is possible your government did say that in the beginning that they were not gonna stay there but i don't see why you would invade that part and after a few months just say ok we had our fun now we are leaving again.
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Quote ( Serhiy Cherkasov @ July 5th 2022,14:44:11 ) The truth has finally come to you!
Well i always say in a conflict wether is this one or with your missus (wife) the truth is always in the middle here i am more inclined to say that the truth is somewhat 80-20
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Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,14:41:40 ) Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ July 5th 2022,14:31:16 )
Do you mean that Russia illegally occupied Crimea? Well, maybe it's illegal, and maybe it's legal. That's not the point. I just said (contrary to your words) that it was not economically justified in every way.
About Kherson. I think that Russia initially had no plans to annex the regions of Ukraine.
Russia illegally occupied Crimea! Seizing the territory of Ukraine is the real goal of the "special operation". Everything else is for Russian patriotic fools!
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Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ July 5th 2022,14:44:59 ) Why invade it then? Too many russians that you could have some killed? Too many Ukrainians so they could be killed aswell? It is possible your government did say that in the beginning that they were not gonna stay there but i don't see why you would invade that part and after a few months just say ok we had our fun now we are leaving again. I think the plans have changed. That's what happened. But that's just my opinion.
Quote ( Serhiy Cherkasov @ July 5th 2022,14:47:58 ) Everything else What is everything else? Do you read what I write?
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Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,13:55:04 ) But I still want to note that Crimea has always been a subsidized region.
Oh, that's right, even for Ukraine, which, geographically, is best placed to minimize the loss of upkeep of the Crimean peninsula. In 2013, before the annexation, Ukraine subsidized Crimea for 3.5 billion hryvnias, which is about 500 million dollars at the exchange rate at that time. By the way, these words are at odds with the opinion of your leader, who assures everyone that the Crimea "fed Ukraine." So be careful there, suddenly the FSB reads this forum.
Regarding gas, the Ukrainian Accounts Chamber considers this not a profit of the Crimea, but of the Naftogaz Ukrainy company. Therefore, these 4 billion are direct losses of the state of Ukraine, regardless of Crimea as an administrative part. But grain and everything else are regional losses. Mostly farmers of Kherson and Zaporozhye region. By the way, under the guise of the Crimean harvest, you export grain through Turkey.
Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,13:55:04 ) The territory is captured, the resources are taken to the winner.
Well, of course, only not taken, but appropriated. Now Neftegaz is suing Russia on this issue. And when your country starts playing democracy again, you will comply with the decisions of the European courts and will pay compensation. And this will be given by ordinary citizens, from your own pocket or, in extreme cases, from the pocket of your children.
Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,14:41:40 ) Do you mean that Russia illegally occupied Crimea? Well, maybe it's illegal, and maybe it's legal.
A wonderful phrase - "legal occupation" - is another coin in the piggy bank of information schizophrenia.
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Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,14:53:24 ) I think the plans have changed. That's what happened. But that's just my opinion.
I am not a specialist on wars but i find it hard to believe that you invade a country not to stay there and then 4 months later you decide to stay, it is weird to me but then again who am i?
It is not like this is a game on Xbox or PS where you decide halfway through to change your gameplan.
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Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ July 5th 2022,14:46:50 ) Well i always say in a conflict wether is this one or with your missus (wife) the truth is always in the middle here i am more inclined to say that the truth is somewhat 80-20
Even in an 80v20 situation, it smacks of victimblaming in this case. All that Ukraine could do to prevent a war today was to make territorial concessions to Russia.
Consider that we did it in 2014 - losing Crimea without a fight. You (Europe) had 8 years to prepare for a new Russian attack, you didn't nothing, because you believed that appeasing the aggressor was the best way. You are mistaken, we are the ones paying the price. The same will happen if Ukraine makes concessions now. And the more concessions there are, the closer the war will move towards your countries.
I strongly disagree with the 80/20 figure.
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ July 5th 2022,15:02:06 ) Well, of course, only not taken, but appropriated. Now Neftegaz is suing Russia on this issue. And when your country starts playing democracy again, you will comply with the decisions of the European courts and will pay compensation. And this will be given by ordinary citizens, from your own pocket or, in extreme cases, from the pocket of your children. Well, democracy is one thing, and the European courts are quite another. You can play democracy without European courts.
Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ July 5th 2022,15:06:16 ) I am not a specialist on wars but i find it hard to believe that you invade a country not to stay there and then 4 months later you decide to stay, it is weird to me but then again who am i?
It is not like this is a game on Xbox or PS where you decide halfway through to change your gameplan. The objectives of the special military operation were announced. These goals can be achieved in various ways. I think that the Russian leadership has not abandoned its goals. But the plan to achieve these goals sometimes changes.
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ July 5th 2022,15:11:42 ) The same will happen if Ukraine makes concessions now. And the more concessions there are, the closer the war will move towards your countries. One of the reasons for what is happening is Ukraine's failure to comply with the Minsk Agreements. (I know your objections). For the same reason, peace agreements are now impossible. Ukraine does not want to conduct peace talks, and if it does, it will not adhere to the agreements. This is not my speculation. These are statements by Ukrainian officials.
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ July 5th 2022,15:11:42 ) Consider that we did it in 2014 - losing Crimea without a fight. You (Europe) had 8 years to prepare for a new Russian attack, you didn't nothing, because you believed that appeasing the aggressor was the best way. You are mistaken, we are the ones paying the price. The same will happen if Ukraine makes concessions now. And the more concessions there are, the closer the war will move towards your countries.
I said that over the weekend too, that they let it gone too far another example of how the EU is an empty box
Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,15:13:31 ) The objectives of the special military operation were announced. These goals can be achieved in various ways. I think that the Russian leadership has not abandoned its goals. But the plan to achieve these goals sometimes changes.
Sorry but when it started it was said that staying was not the goal so now claiming that you want to stay is nothing more then what was the original plan only it was not said before -> you have been lied to by your government.
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Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,15:13:31 ) Well, democracy is one thing, and the European courts are quite another. You can play democracy without European courts.
I meant when Russia will begin to implement these very court decisions. Let me remind you that now you, as a citizen of Russia, cannot apply to the ECHR, because your country does not recognize the supremacy of international law over domestic law. The concentration camp is approaching, and you didn't even notice it.
Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,15:13:31 ) The objectives of the special military operation were announced. These goals can be achieved in various ways. I think that the Russian leadership has not abandoned its goals. But the plan to achieve these goals sometimes changes.
Well, yes, I can also say that the goal of Ukraine is to secure its borders, and for this we need to capture Moscow. Don't you know that your country aims to "push the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Kyiv" in order to secure the DPR :)
Have you forgotten about the goal - access to Transnistria? And about the requirements to return NATO to the borders of 1997, after the entry of two new countries there, I don’t even want to remember.
Russia, as always, is trying to capture new territories, and then justify to its electorate why it didn’t work out. We have already seen two "gestures of good will". We are waiting for new ones.
Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,15:18:56 ) These are statements by Ukrainian officials.
No, this is your speculation. Since Ukraine has stated that there will be no negotiations, because Russia does not understand what negotiations are, and is not going to withdraw troops to the borders on February 23rd.
Minsk was not fulfilled by you, for which all the time since 2014 you have received an extension of sanctions, finally understand for yourself. And there will be no more new Minsk, since you are not going to execute it, but simply use this time to create a new strike force.
And the most important thing is the final rejection of these agreements - Russia did, recognizing the "DNR" and "LNR".
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Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,15:18:56 ) One of the reasons for what is happening is Ukraine's failure to comply with the Minsk Agreements. (I know your objections). For the same reason, peace agreements are now impossible. Ukraine does not want to conduct peace talks, and if it does, it will not adhere to the agreements. This is not my speculation. These are statements by Ukrainian officials.
A nitwit like me doesn't know what was agreed in the minsk agreements but if one party fails to follow the terms of agreement you have other means to make the party follow them other then just invading that country for it. In that case you are the one who breaks the agreement.
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Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ July 5th 2022,15:23:23 ) A nitwit like me doesn't know what was agreed in the minsk agreements but if one party fails to follow the terms of agreement you have other means to make the party follow them other then just invading that country for it. In that case you are the one who breaks the agreement.
You're right. But. These negotiations were initiated, in particular, by France and Germany (EU). And the EU is also guilty of non-compliance with the agreements. And you are right - the EU has shown its uselessness.
It may also seem cynical. But this has always been the case all over the world - military action is a method of political struggle if diplomacy comes to a standstill.
I assess this whole situation from the outside. Do not attribute to me that I am happy with what is happening.
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Quote ( Jimmy De Roy @ July 5th 2022,15:19:55 ) I said that over the weekend too, that they let it gone too far another example of how the EU is an empty box
I do not share your euroscepticism. You lived and coped well until you faced the biggest test since the Second World War (this is no exaggeration). And now, despite all the differences, we are seeing a key unity of the EU countries, if not in helping Ukraine (especially military), then in understanding that you were wrong when you thought that Russia is a reliable player who is guided only by concern for trade relations with the EU.
Imagine what would happen if every country in Europe now made decisions - economic and military - separately. I think we would already have a war outside of Ukraine.
Quote ( Konstantin Sobolev @ July 5th 2022,15:33:21 ) You're right. But. These negotiations were initiated, in particular, by France and Germany (EU). And the EU is also guilty of non-compliance with the agreements. And you are right - the EU has shown its uselessness.
Nothing like this. All that was required was to withdraw your troops and equipment from the occupied territories, as stipulated in the Minsk agreements. Then the elections would have been held and, for sure, we would have continued to play "Finlandization". But since you did not do this, it would be the height of idiocy from the of Ukraine to legitimize your puppets at the head of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions. This is clear to anyone who is able to look at it from the outside.
First you had to get out, and then everything else. And you wanted - as always - having achieved an advantage - to use it for your further advancement. It did not work out and you had to attack, although you still do not recognize the real reasons for the attack, hiding behind fictitious pretexts for war.
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ July 5th 2022,15:37:24 ) But since you did not do this, it would be the height of idiocy from the of Ukraine to legitimize your puppets at the head of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions. This is clear to anyone who is able to look at it from the outside.
It does not matter whether it is beneficial to Ukraine or not. The agreements were exactly like that. Perhaps it was unprofitable and stupid for Ukraine. But. Ukraine signed them and refused to comply.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements#Minsk_II,_Feb...
clause 9 of the agreements.
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And I'm talking to you about points 1 and especially 2, which were not fulfilled by Russia. You generally continue to deny that you were there. Although you was signatories of these agreements. This is the same schizophrenia, only at the international level.
But the world leaders are not like your electorate, and they do not intend to eat the noodles that you hang every day for everyone.
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⚡️ The body of the director of the Gazprom contractor Yuri Voronov was found in the pool of an elite village near Vyborg, local media report.
He died from a gunshot to the head. A Grand Power traumatic pistol lay next to it, several spent cartridges lay at the bottom.
It is noted that this is the fifth death in six months associated with the top management of the Russian gas industry.
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