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From 27? Wow! Congrats Christos. :)
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Quote ( Christos Bobolis @ March 31st 2020,21:35:13 ) As planned.
You prick! :P
Congrats, it was masterclass!
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Well, a podium is a podium :)
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Race 6
Some guy thinks he did something impressive after starting from 26th, but of course everyone is eager to find out who was the real winner of this race. Dmitriy Nechitailo took an absolutely phenomenal Pipi Pole, even outqualifying both of the Hancock runners - go figure!
What followed was as shocking as it was unexpected. Nechitailo decided to start the race on slicks as the rain continued to pour down. Gustavo Bellotto took an early lead but had to pit for fuel in Lap 12, and so it was Alan Horsley who started to look good. In Lap 20, Nechitailo also pitted and put on some rain tyres, helping his lap times a lot, but by this point he was already 1 minute and 35 seconds behind the leader.
To add insult to injury, the track dried up a few laps later and everyone pitted for slicks again. Horsley looked like a comfortable leader, with Shinkevich in second place looking for his first points of the season. But Nechitailo unleashed his demons and started to claw back at a rate of more than 4 seconds per lap (!). Both men pitted not much later, passing the lead on to Gustavo Bellotto until he ran out of fuel as well. Nechitailo steamed on and won the race with a whopping 50 second lead - having spent 20 laps on slicks on a wet track.
Result:
1. D. Nechitailo
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5. A. Horsley
6. G. Bellotto
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Pole: D. Nechitailo
FL: D. Nechitailo (2)
Standings
1. G. Bellotto . . . . . 43
2. D. Nechitailo . . . 25
3. A. Horsley . . . . . 19
4. A. Sonverdi . . . . 18
5. A. Aleksandrov . 14
6. N. Vicente . . . . . 9
7. T. Söyrinki . . . . . 7
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Now the question is, 'Can he do it again?' This is tough, savvy competition and to fool them twice, well... another wet race to prove it was good planning.
Just like that... we have Avus Wet and slippery.
Good luck gentlemen. I'm looking forward to the match.
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Amazing job, Dmitry.
In other news, this game is broken beyond words.
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I'm sure Morozov already expressed many seasons ago how broken this game can get.
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Quote ( Christos Bobolis @ April 2nd 2020,22:20:31 ) [i In other news, this game is broken beyond words.
Almost as if long term planning/building is rewarded more than the tyre-click nowadays
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Now if he wins the race that'll be something
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Are we at Elite Topic?!
Edit: for a moment i thought i was on a newbie topic...
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Regardless of Dmitry's result, congratulations on your preparation for the race.
It is his favorite track and he prepared himself in an exemplary way.
Congratulations Dmitry .... it's a shame being a lottery race, good luck for tomorrow.
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Dmitry, what's going on? I'm sorry for myself (I also prepared for this race) but you, it's fantastic. I wish you good luck!!!
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Quote ( Andreas Ramann @ April 2nd 2020,23:06:10 ) I'm sure Morozov already expressed many seasons ago how broken this game can get.
It's not for nothing that Dmitry and I are on the same team!
"MatrËshka" is the best!!!
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Being that fast in such a scewed CCP track with the current engine is not that hard imo if you plan an one race OBP.
The question is: is this desirable? I mean, I understand achieving this with a lvl 8-9 car perfectly matched, but with the way it is done currently I think ccp planning is overpowered for the low table battle to avoid relegation
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Quote ( Ioannis Dimitroglou @ April 3rd 2020,12:07:14 ) The question is: is this desirable?
The answer is obvious when your Pirelli .
Congratulations, Dmitry, good luck to you.
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Quote ( Alex Ilushenko @ April 3rd 2020,13:43:02 ) The question is: is this desirable?
Randoms will fix this and give the victory to Jan.
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Quote ( Ioannis Dimitroglou @ April 3rd 2020,12:07:14 ) The question is: is this desirable? I mean, I understand achieving this with a lvl 8-9 car perfectly matched, but with the way it is done currently I think ccp planning is overpowered for the low table battle to avoid relegation
I think it's too early to tell. Even after 7.5 seasons I don't think the Elite situation has stabilised entirely; I'm guessing most people have a rough understanding of how things work, but management strategies are still being adapted to the situation.
At present, OBP retention is very powerful, however, the number of points scored by the person in 25th place has been consistently rising in the last few seasons. Last season we very nearly got to the point where Theo relegated with a podium finish - something that has never happened yet, but it can't be ruled out from happening in the near future.
The easier it becomes for backmarkers to get the occasional points finish, the less likely it is for a single points finish to save your season. Most people in the retention battle now need more than one points finish. If four people were planning to retain just by pushing at Avus, at least one or two of them are not going to succeed. So how powerful is that strategy, really?
My bottom line is: if "CCP planning is overpowered for the relegation battle" then maybe midfielders (like myself) aren't doing enough CCP planning and need to adapt to the situation better. It's a matter of management, I don't think it's unhealthy.
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While I agree with you Jasper, I believe Christos means that having a pipirelli ruling out of 90% race distance all manager from 4th place is maybe too much.
However don't change it from one season to another, I'm using the same strategy of OBP next season.
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I once stated (when the PHA matching first became a thing) that in the future OBP will most likely change into 2BP or 3BP because it's easier to score points. Looks like my prediction came true.
For the people not understanding 2BP or 3BP (2 Big pushes & 3 Big pushes)
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OBPs don't get you sponsors and without sponsors there is no long term success. It is a spectacle because people haven't fully realised the impact of the change. Things are still evolving.
Quote ( Andrea Squizzato @ April 3rd 2020,14:21:34 ) However don't change it from one season to another, I'm using the same strategy of OBP next season. Forget what I said. We need to kill OBP, NOW!
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Quote ( Yug Desai @ April 3rd 2020,15:37:23 ) OBPs don't get you sponsors and without sponsors there is no long term success. It is a spectacle because people haven't fully realised the impact of the change. Things are still evolving.
Quote ( Andrea Squizzato @ April 3rd 2020,14:21:34 )
However don't change it from one season to another, I'm using the same strategy of OBP next season. Forget what I said. We need to kill OBP, NOW!
Alternatively we could just kill Dede!!!!!
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Cracking work Dmitry. Really exposing the power of certain elements in the game currently.
Fair play to you and your team.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ April 3rd 2020,14:14:53 ) It's a matter of management, I don't think it's unhealthy.
I would like to know how healthy it is when a manager in amateur with 3 seasons in the game finds out that downgrading wings to lvl 2 makes your car faster in a given track.
Does the game really want managers who achieve promotion to pro with 4-5 big pushes in certain races or managers who get constant point finishes?
Which players will more likely have long-term commitment to the game?
I deeply believe that it is wrong to change the game rules again because of elite being unbalanced yet, (for instance i believe that DE works ok in groups amateur-pro, but not in master and mainly elite).
On the other hand, i believe that the fact that short-term parts overspending is overpowered when compared to facilities and sum of ccps, it is bad for lower league gameplay.
It adds enthusiasm and unpredictability, at the cost of giving less value to the long-term management and decreasing the morale of long-term managers being beaten by managers trying hit-n-go strategies (or from bottom - one season, to the top the next one).
OBP strategies are still not the best, but their short-term effect negatively affects gameplay and morale of long-term managers.
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Quote ( Ioannis Dimitroglou @ April 3rd 2020,16:32:46 )
I would like to know how healthy it is when a manager in amateur with 3 seasons in the game finds out that downgrading wings to lvl 2 makes your car faster in a given track.
Does the game really want managers who achieve promotion to pro with 4-5 big pushes in certain races or managers who get constant point finishes?
Which players will more likely have long-term commitment to the game?
I deeply believe that it is wrong to change the game rules again because of elite being unbalanced yet, (for instance i believe that DE works ok in groups amateur-pro, but not in master and mainly elite).
On the other hand, i believe that the fact that short-term parts overspending is overpowered when compared to facilities and sum of ccps, it is bad for lower league gameplay.
It adds enthusiasm and unpredictability, at the cost of giving less value to the long-term management and decreasing the morale of long-term managers being beaten by managers trying hit-n-go strategies (or from bottom - one season, to the top the next one).
OBP strategies are still not the best, but their short-term effect negatively affects gameplay and morale of long-term managers.
Simplest solution would be to give points for all 40 positions in the group. This way you can still do OBP (or 2BP or 3BP or XOBP) but in the end average position on all races would be measure of managers success.
EDIT: spelling
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Quote ( Ioannis Dimitroglou @ April 3rd 2020,16:32:46 )
I would like to know how healthy it is when a manager in amateur with 3 seasons in the game finds out that downgrading wings to lvl 2 makes your car faster in a given track
Season 67-discussion, is it you ?
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Arguments concerning new players are as relevant today as they were in Season 67, mister wiseguy.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ April 3rd 2020,17:09:05 ) Arguments concerning new players are as relevant today as they were in Season 67, mister wiseguy.
Why has more always to be better?
Level 2 might be faster in very specific conditions but you also can only upgrade once at a time, so it does come at a price. A bit like skipping tests.
I dont understand why people always demand the right to brute force with money and high car level and tyres
Higher parts not beeing automatically faster makes managers having to chose
edit: I think we can end the discussion now, a Conti is fastest again. :p
Completely agreeing with Jasper previous post tho, the market allows only 2-3 OBP spots if the is one big PHA track
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Thanks god, our faces saved.
Back to laughing on financial plans.
Quote ( Jan Velske @ April 3rd 2020,17:27:15 ) Why has more always to be better?
Is higher level part is more? Or just better? Can we set them? Yes?
Then why would a plank better in a racecar than a wing?
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Quote ( Jan Velske @ April 3rd 2020,17:05:28 ) Season 67-discussion, is it you ?
As far as i am concerned, in season 67 i believed that CCP adjustment was too much. And still this is my opinion.
Quote ( Ioannis Dimitroglou @ December 27th 2018,21:30:10 ) however i think that car character (part wear included) is more important than it should be
Quote ( Ioannis Dimitroglou @ December 28th 2018,17:11:59 )
As far as i am concerned this was also the case before last season changes and is better from a gameplay perspective. However, car character tweaks have made it more unrealistic especially in specific track characteristics, so some adjustments need to be made imo
Moreover, at that time new CCP mode was new, so now, after long-term effect can be seen more easily, a change in the opinion can be normal.
We may all find it positive when a new manager with 8 seasons in the game manages to get to elite and win a race (it is more easy with the new ccp mode), but side-effects may be more important than the problem needed to be solved at first place
To sum up i believe that:
CCP type affecting pace is something good and improves gameplay, because good new managers can beat old ones more easily, but CCP type being much more important than CCP sum, decreases the importance of long-term planning.
This may decrease long-term commitment to the game and the feeling that one can 'gradually' improve own package.
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