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Now that the UK has left the EU should supporter credits be taxed or should they be untaxed like every other country in the world. I know goods leaving the UK for the eu are no longer charged vat at point of sale
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#2 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 10:48:05
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Found the answer to my question and it looks like yes we do in the UK but Vladimir needs to get a uk vat number as he cannot declare the vat using the moss system as the UK is not part of it as of Jan 1st
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Who said that the other countries are untaxed? Even within the EU the taxation is different among countries. So, it's up to the British or any government. Once your government decides of no taxation for internet transactions, GPRO will remove the tax.
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#4 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 11:49:19
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Quote ( George Togas @ January 9th 2021,11:39:48 ) Once your government decided of no taxation for internet transactions, GPRO will remove the tax.
I doubt this will happen anytime soon. It will most likely remain aligned (at least for some time to come) to existing tax rules so that businesses both inside the UK (and within EU) have a smooth(er) transition.
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#5 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 12:16:10
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Quote ( George Togas @ January 9th 2021,11:39:48 ) So, it's up to the British or any government. That's true.
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#6 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 13:34:48
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Not sure I fully understand the taxation rules. However, are countries outside of the EU taxed with respect to the game. Perhaps admin could clear this issue for us.
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#7 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 13:56:45
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Quote ( Mick Brownhill @ January 9th 2021,13:34:48 ) Not sure I fully understand the taxation rules. However, are countries outside of the EU taxed with respect to the game. Perhaps admin could clear this issue for us. Australians pay a 10% GST, similar to your VAT.
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#8 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 14:54:48
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The tax rules have changed but there are new tax rules which gpro must comply with by the end of January. When the UK was in the eu it operated using moss taxation system which the rest of the eu uses too for digital sales. As brexit has happened UK companies must continue to use the moss system for sales to the eu but all eu companies must get a uk vat number in order to pay the UK vat they will be owed. If this is not done by the end of January when the UK requests its vat that eu companies have taken there will be fines and unexpected vat bills to be paid.
This is just the system now in place for digital sales between the UK and eu.
For goods there is a lot of red tape that must be done or they will be returned to the sender at additional costs. Big changes have happened it seems like not many companies are prepared at all.
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#9 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 15:11:37
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What I said is that the VAT isn't for the EU countries,nor it follows EU regulations. Germans pay les VAT when they buy supporter credits than the VAT we the Greeks pay despite we are both members of the EU.
Any Tax is applied because of any country's regulations seperately.
So, unless all transactions are free of any kind of VAT when they are done from the UK, then I see nothing wrong with this. In fact, I wish it's true what you say David. I will send money to a friend of mine that lives there and he will buy for me goods from the internet without having to pay VAT of 24% that applies to my country. Then I will have to pay a courier for a simple parcel that he will send me
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#10 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 15:26:23
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Physical goods that have to go through customs are a whole different ballgame.
GPRO players outside the EU generally don't pay VAT on supporter credits, not because VAT doesn't exist in their country but because, at least I believe so, there is no trade agreement between their country and the EU that enables those countries to collect VAT from a European company like GPRO.
The new VAT rules that David is talking about, are presumably a part of the EU-UK trade deal.
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#11 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 15:31:14
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If you try with a VPN to change the IP to a different country, you will see what VAT applies (or is charged) to any country. There countries with 23% like mine, 20% like Germany, 10% like Australia etc... You may also find a 0% somewhere.
I don't think that Vlad or anyone had to make so many variables in charging Taxes if it wasn't regulated somehow by some agreements and law
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#12 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 15:32:03
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Whatever the rules, there is unlikely to be any scenario where the Government will relinquish any tax income they have coming in. You used to be able to get round it by buying them on mobile, but that's been closed for a year or so now.
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https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/vat-news/brexit---selling...
Take a look at this as Vlad needs to act or could face another bill like he did the last time.
As far as vat in different countries yes I do know each country has a different tax rate and that some do not and some are only when the purchase is of a certain quantity.
My question was do uk citizen now pay vat on supporter credits which I did find out myself that they do but what I also found out is that any eu country selling digital goods must make a change to how and where they report the vat for a uk transaction.
I still remember when vlad had that big tax bill many years ago because he didn't charge vat. Cant remember if it was not too long after that tge cost of supporter credits increased to per race
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#14 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 16:15:24
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Vlad got a fine for not charging VAT. Now Vlad will get a fine for charging VAT.
Is this the end of GPRO? lol
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Whether selling to a UK or EU customer, you must still charge the VAT rate of their country of residency.
Which is exactly what is happening here. So, worse case scenario really is losing out on a potential change to the tax rules and being entitled to a tax return/rebate, rather than being fined or billed as such. I'm pretty sure that the correct approach is the one that's advised : keep charging the existing rate. I doubt the UK is going to make sweeping changes to tax duties anytime soon though, that was the whole point of the scrambled talks at the end of last year, to avoid major change and disruption on Jan 1st.
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The tax rate didn't change, but the way of reporting your sales did, as outlined in the table right above that quote you copied.
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#17 objavljeno 9 Sij 2021, 17:44:15
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ah yep, I see that, so some form filling required I guess.
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