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Topic: Suggestion on Setup Tuning During Practice |
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#1 Data 22 Dic 2012, 15:12:54
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I am not sure if this has been suggested before but i am not good at searching he forums so kindly direct me to the thread if it has been suggested already
When we Practice and Qualify, after every lap we have to change the entire values again
It doesnt take long but i personally find it quite tiring and unnecessary to do the same math again and again
Perhaps, if we have separate boxes beside the box where we put in our setup values, where we can state how much we want to add or subtract from the last lap's value it might be less tiring and can decrease the number of calculation errors made by managers who arent using calculators
If its not a good idea, everyone is free to thumb it down :)
PS: Its also my first suggestion so i dont know if i got the framing and stuff right..........
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I find this a bit lazy, no?
It's only small, as you say, and it only wastes about 10-15 seconds per lap, so I don't see the issue.
E: However, if anyone else finds this problem, I would welcome it :P
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#3 Data 22 Dic 2012, 15:17:57
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Quote ( Alex Johnson @ December 22nd 2012,15:14:44 ) I find this a bit lazy, no?
i guess :/
i am always slow at these things
the easier something is the longer it takes
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#4 Data 22 Dic 2012, 15:19:24
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Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ December 22nd 2012,15:17:57 ) the easier something is the longer it takes Strange concept you have here :P
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I can only see one reason why you'd actually want to use the same setup for two laps. Not sure how this idea would be of benefit because running same settings for more than two laps is a waste of time really and, therefor, the admins have better time to expedite on other things.
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Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ December 22nd 2012,15:12:54 ) Perhaps, if we have separate boxes beside the box where we put in our setup values, where we can state how much we want to add or subtract from the last lap's value it might be less tiring and can decrease the number of calculation errors made by managers who arent using calculators
And that would be less to type? Instead of putting in for example 767 you would put in another box +16? Seems like it's about the same work anyway.
To the 2nd point you're making; subtracting or adding shouldn't be that difficult ;p and as you said you can always use a calculator, but then you can't really blame the game that it takes a bit longer :P
PS: if you click on one of the practice laps, all those values will be automatically in the boxes again which is quite handy if you need to change only 1 or 2 values ;)
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ December 22nd 2012,15:22:47 ) I can only see one reason why you'd actually want to use the same setup for two laps
This was actually not his suggestion and as I said this can already be done by just clicking on one of your previous practice laps ;)
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you can click on your previous lap (listed above) and that setup will magically appear on setup boxes!
e: sloooooow
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ December 22nd 2012,15:22:47 ) I can only see one reason why you'd actually want to use the same setup for two laps...not sure how it would be of benefit because running same settings for more than two laps is a waste of time Didn't think that was the reason, but I suppose, because if you were to change the set-up, it would take longer to get the set-up and then change it than just changing it as you put it up.
If you get what I mean :P
e: sloooooooooooowwwwwwwerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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#9 Data 22 Dic 2012, 15:27:09
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ December 22nd 2012,15:22:47 ) I can only see one reason why you'd actually want to use the same setup for two laps...not sure how it would be of benefit because running same settings for more than two laps is a waste of time
what?????
i meant if i put in 437 on my Engine for one lap and i want to increase it by 55 for my second, instead of doing the addition myslef, i just put in the value i want to add to the previous value
thinking about it, it sure seems to be a lazy idea, doesnt save time, but minimizes all the unnecessary calculations(i find them unnecessary, ofcourse others wont)
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Also it could be argued Christoph that adding/subtracting or splitting the difference on practice laps or whatever might actually ruin some of the element of finding out about how to set your car up properly and be giving away a few things...well, mainly methodology more than anything but you get my point.
Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ December 22nd 2012,15:27:09 )
what?????
dont worry i misread the OP in my first post...still waking up :)
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ December 22nd 2012,15:27:47 ) Also it could be argued Christoph that adding/subtracting or splitting the difference on practice laps or whatever might actually ruin some of the element of finding out about how to set your car up properly and be giving away a few things...well, mainly methodology more than anything but you get my point. You might get the calculation wrong anyway, and then you still wouldn't know what the right one was
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Quote ( Alex Johnson @ December 22nd 2012,15:29:02 ) You might get the calculation wrong anyway,
ok, the same as you might doing it manually...so why is it needed?
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ December 22nd 2012,15:27:47 ) Also it could be argued Christoph that adding/subtracting or splitting the difference on practice laps or whatever might actually ruin some of the element of finding out about how to set your car up properly and be giving away a few things...well, mainly methodology more than anything but you get my point.
again i am not sure what u mean :P
but i came up with this because i realized i am adding or subtracting the same number from me previous setup every lap yet i have to calculate everything from scratch for all the 6 parts every time(plus counter check twice or thrice to make sure i am not doing anything wrong) and then doing it all over again for another 9 laps
it actually makes me more dependent on the calculators and then sometimes i just blindly start copying values from there to here :|
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It would make it worse. I meant that after having 400, you put 372 and it told you right, you'd know 372 was right, and, for example 362 was wrong. If you weren't good at maths and put -38 wanting 372 and it told you more, you may get confused.
Now that is a bit confusing
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Thumbs up from me. Why not? Practice laps are laborious. Anything to speed up/simplify the data-entry process is a good idea.
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Quote ( Sion Francis @ December 22nd 2012,16:12:14 ) Thumbs up from me. Why not? Practice laps are laborious. Anything to speed up/simplify the process is a good idea.
Someone could argue that it's a good training to sub/add some numbers if they have difficulties to do it without a calc ;p
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I sometimes wish the number 4 wasn't next to my enter button...a few times i've hit the wrong one...well, I should just num lock and use the ones beneath the F keys really...please don't tell me i'm the only one that's made this mistake :p
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What about a little up and down arrow on the side of the boxes?
More clicking but less typing :-p I agree that inputting the values in every box is rather tiresome after a while.
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Not sure how's that supposed to work, you still have to mentally calculate by how much you want to increase/decrease, putting +17 instead of 547 is easier only because "+" key is usually bigger :)
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Quote ( Keri Lovell @ December 22nd 2012,16:22:22 ) I agree that inputting the values in every box is rather tiresome after a while.
Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ December 22nd 2012,15:12:54 ) I am not sure if this has been suggested before but i am not good at searching he forums so kindly direct me to the thread if it has been suggested already
When we Practice and Qualify, after every lap we have to change the entire values again
It doesnt take long but i personally find it quite tiring and unnecessary to do the same math again and again
Perhaps, if we have separate boxes beside the box where we put in our setup values, where we can state how much we want to add or subtract from the last lap's value it might be less tiring and can decrease the number of calculation errors made by managers who arent using calculators
If its not a good idea, everyone is free to thumb it down :)
PS: Its also my first suggestion so i dont know if i got the framing and stuff right..........
Maybe this idea : /gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=21217&Page=1
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ December 22nd 2012,16:19:09 ) .please don't tell me i'm the only one that's made this mistake :p
Happened to me before, but with the backspace key instead. I was clearing the previous lap setup to enter the new one and clicked on the backspace key by mistake... got me an unnecessary lap several times in the past.
Now I carefully touch the backspace while doing the setups! :)
About the suggestion, I'm up for anything that reduces the time of the setup entry on the boxes. Not sure if this one is the best idea for it, but I'm sure the community and the admins can work out something based on this suggestion.
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well, maybe there could be a dropdown box with some pre-set options to increase on the next laps setting i.e
+/-4
+/-8
+/-16
+/-32
+/-64
+/-128
+/-256
+/-512
well, I use that as an example as it might be a popular choice...
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ December 22nd 2012,16:19:09 ) please don't tell me i'm the only one that's made this mistake :p
You're the only one :)
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pffff, surely not :) stupid is as stupid does I guess.
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Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ December 22nd 2012,15:12:54 ) Perhaps, if we have separate boxes beside the box where we put in our setup values, where we can state how much we want to add or subtract from the last lap's value it might be less tiring and can decrease the number of calculation errors made by managers who arent using calculators
I really dont' see how this would help.
1) you would still have to calculate how much you want to change the value.
2) if someone isn't using a calculator, this doesn't change anything. (s)he'd be still using values drawn "from the hat"
ps. a calculator is integrated to most computer operation systems
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ December 22nd 2012,23:21:33 )
2) if someone isn't using a calculator, this doesn't change anything. (s)he'd be still using values drawn "from the hat"
No no...back in the day I did this all in my head from one lap to the next. A little in built feature would definitely have been useful to me in keeping track of which parts needed to go up and which ones needed to go down. That is a fact. It may not have been useful to you, but that doesn't mean your ways are universal.
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Quote ( Sion Francis @ December 22nd 2012,23:39:58 ) No no...back in the day I did this all in my head from one lap to the next.
you were still using a calculator... integrated in your head :P
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ December 22nd 2012,23:41:49 )
you were still using a calculator... integrated in your head :P
Cool, so i'm like a primitive terminator? 8)
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Quote ( Eray Alakese @ December 22nd 2012,21:55:52 ) Maybe this idea : /gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=21217&Page=1
yeah seems similarQuote ( Stuart Foster @ December 22nd 2012,22:59:11 ) +/-4
+/-8
+/-16
+/-32
+/-64
+/-128
+/-256
+/-512
i never used any of those :P (but ofcourse if u know binary any number can be made from the powers of 2.....and 3 and 4 and 5.....i bet i am faster at binary than addition subtraction :P)
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ December 22nd 2012,23:21:33 ) 1) you would still have to calculate how much you want to change the value.
2) if someone isn't using a calculator, this doesn't change anything. (s)he'd be still using values drawn "from the hat"
they would usually be standard values i get from my HR
some standard 4-5 values that can be used throughout my session
after all the important part in the game is to know what values u must add or subtract to get the setup in 8 laps,
not how good u are at mental math(switching tabs from calculators to the practice page 48 times for a practice session is even more tiresome)
what we are basically doing is giving GPRO its own calculator so that people dont have to go somewhere else
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If this is something that appeals to you then why not just set up a spreadsheet which applies the variation for you, then copy the numbers from the spreadsheet, no calculations required.
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