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Is it possible, that teams leading driver did REALLY know things that
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Everyone is going for Pat and Flavio, who as it has come to light hatched the plot, even though Pat claims that the entire plan was originally Piquet Jr's idea. Finally I feel that Fernando must have some kind of prior knowledge, even if he wasnt told directly
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Quote ( Jed Lilly @ September 22nd 2009,14:21:46 )
Their was 3 people guilty Briatore ,Symonds and Piquet the rest of the team would have had no idea until Piquet got fired.
I doubt
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#33 dikirim Sep 22 2009, 14:32:45 (terakhir disunting Sep 22 2009, 14:33:24 oleh Jan Zaluski)
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You guys seriously confuse 'knowing' with 'planning' or 'being involved in'.
This tactic wasn't that silly after all, considering there was Trulli ahead. Do you remember the epic Trulli train last year? Alonso got past him in lap2, not to mention the positions he gained at start.
They knew the car was competetive for the whole weekend, so Alonso could have agreed to such strategy, to avoid being stuck somewhere.
How many people that far behind the grid were fueled heavily, hoping for a SC? Such tactic wouldn't bring much benefits.
Quote ( Chinmay Dhopate @ September 22nd 2009,13:23:35 )
Without any conclusive proof you can't say he knew.
Exactly. We can shove our opinions here up our a...
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Quote ( Jed Lilly @ September 22nd 2009,14:21:46 )
Their was 3 people guilty Briatore ,Symonds and Piquet the rest of the team would have had no idea until Piquet got fired.
No chance. Engineers? Strategists? Of course they all knew.
The reason Briatore and Symonds have been sacked is because they were the instigators of the plan. The others (like stupid Piquet) were just acting out the bosses instructions.
But the whole team got the ban, not just Briatore and Symonds.
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30% of votes come from Spain. :)
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Quote ( Denis Paulo Mochi @ September 22nd 2009,14:54:33 )
30% of voters are Spanish. :)
LOL
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Difficult question. Did he know or didn't he. Answering "no" we don't give him credit for the great driver he is. As such, he must've known something's up, even if he wasn't told before, during or shortly after the race. If the answer is "yes", we're calling him a cheater. Even if he was informed sometime after the race, it's still cheating, but I don't think he'd have the option of speaking out about it and saying good bye to his job.
I believe that he wasn't told of the "plan" before the race, but must've suspected something after, he'd have to discuss it in the debrief with his race engineer at least. He may not have been told directly: "Fernando, you've won 'cause we told Nelson jnr to crash on purpose", but he would've known somehow and he just chose to ignore it and distance himself from it.
btw I wouldn't call Piquet a cheat, just a pawn in a big game. And surely others in the team knew about it.
Regards, Mick.
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I can't say he knew or not without proofs, but the thing is, on this situations.. the least people that know, the better! So I'm thinking he didn't know..
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I want a "Maybe" option :(
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Quote ( Chris Williams @ September 22nd 2009,15:17:24 )
I want a "Maybe" option :(
I'm thinking everyone would go for that option then..
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Quote ( Chris Williams @ September 22nd 2009,15:17:24 )
I want a "Maybe" option :(
Politically correctness is not welcomed here :)
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Quote ( Chris Williams @ September 22nd 2009,15:17:24 )
I want a "Maybe" option :(
So true... :(
I still can't believe Renault did that.
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He knew but he didn't plan it
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I'm sure he knew and that there're thousands of other nice cheeting secrets around F1 which we will never get to know...
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I think nowbody told him, but I supose he did suspect about it.
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Quote ( Kevin Hottot @ September 22nd 2009,15:21:47 )
I still can't believe Renault did that.
Judging by previous candidates, I think Briatore should now nominate himself for the FIA Presidency. Being found guilty of cheating in the premiere motorsport category in the world hasn't stopped Todt from running.
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It would have been stupid if he did not know really :/
I also agree with Cristian, he is an asshole, who deserves to lose his job too, as plenty of other people have/will have.
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"As regards Fernando Alonso, the World Motor Sport Council thanks him for cooperating with the FIA’s enquiries and for attending the meeting, and concludes that Mr. Alonso was not in any way involved in Renault F1’s breach of the regulations."
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Quote ( Thomas Lindgren @ September 22nd 2009,18:34:12 )
"As regards Fernando Alonso, the World Motor Sport Council thanks him for cooperating with the FIA’s enquiries and for attending the meeting, and concludes that Mr. Alonso was not in any way involved in Renault F1’s breach of the regulations."
And your point is?
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Quote ( Toby Acton @ September 22nd 2009,18:35:03 )
And your point is?
He didn't know.
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Quote ( Thomas Lindgren @ September 22nd 2009,18:41:45 )
He didn't know.
Do you take everything that the FIA says as gospel then?
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Quote ( Toby Acton @ September 22nd 2009,18:42:22 )
Do you take everything that the FIA says as gospel then?
FIA makes the rules so they decide...
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Quote ( Jos Roestenberg @ September 22nd 2009,11:49:29 )
but it is highly unlickely he did not know before the race. His whole racetactics was build around the accident.
That seems to be the likely correct situation. Though now do we also put Alonso in the same barrel of suck and fail that Schumacher so rightly belongs in for being a cheat to win driver?
Its not like they shared the same race staff over the course of their careers.
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Quote ( Nigel Davis @ September 22nd 2009,12:32:30 )
Its perfectly possible that fernando didnt know, but that he was anticipating a safety car, just didnt know it would be setup by his team mate.
and the second it happended He knew.
That being said: It doesn't mean that he was aware of it in advance.
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i doubt he knew i reckon it was just a Briatore/Symonds/Piquet thing that noone except the other that gained bans from f1 knew about i mean if alonso did know surely he would have admitted at the WMSC hearing and he would have reiceved a ban too
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ September 22nd 2009,18:48:33 )
and the second it happended He knew.
That being said: It doesn't mean that he was aware of it in advance.
Exactly. OOOO I can't even count the times I thought Schumi got away with cheating or bending the rules somehow. Never been a big fan of his, so I may have been biased in my opinion:) Nevertheless, I acknowledge that Schumi is one of the greatest drivers in F1 (and I was really, really hoping he would make the comeback), and you HAVE to be on the rulebending line if you want to succeed. If you are well in the safe-zone you will loose. As alle teams but Brawn did in the beginning of the season. Ross Brawn bended the rules into a grey area that later turned out to be not grey. Big advantage.
Jeee sliding off topic here... I Agree with Mikko either way.
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Flavio did it for Alonso to keep him next season in Renault.....so Alonso is guilty.Probably he told Flavio that he will leave Renault becouse he wants to win !!As i remember that was his first win that season
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Of course he knew it. He is part of the race strategy planification as well as Briatore and Symonds.
We dont have to be so naive...
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#59 dikirim Sep 22 2009, 19:23:26 (terakhir disunting Sep 22 2009, 19:25:43 oleh Geoff Atkin)
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He obviously didn't know before the race, and I think this is all the proof that's needed:
Quote ( Thomas Lindgren @ September 22nd 2009,18:34:12 )
"As regards Fernando Alonso, the World Motor Sport Council thanks him for cooperating with the FIA’s enquiries"
If he did know, then by co-operating with the investigation he's essentially bringing down Flavio and Symonds - something I'm sure they'll appreciate... If he was in any way involved with the planning of the incident then Symonds would probably bring Fernando down with him for backstabbing, which hasn't happened. He was probably as surprised as everyone else was.
Besides, why would they tell Fernando that he's part of something highly illegal right before a race where the pressure's off and therefore in the perfect mind-set. It's illogical.
I'd be very surprised if they told him after the race too. There's a saying which applies to this that is "let sleeping dogs lie." It means not to disturb a situation when it's peaceful, as it might complicate matters. And there's no point in calling Fernando in the following morning and saying: "Your race win was a fake and we cheated" - it just over complicates things not to mention risks the whole plan being found out.
He was probably told after the accusation by Briatore if anything.
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#60 dikirim Sep 22 2009, 19:34:04 (terakhir disunting Sep 22 2009, 19:35:47 oleh Phil Renwick)
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If Fernando knew the plan at the time, the (independant) investigators from Quest would have uncovered evidence of it, and Alonso would have been named as complicit to the affair.
(Whether he would have subesquently been granted immunity for giving his evidence is another matter)
I think a lot of you underestimate the thoroughness of the Quest team...
Quote ( Geoff Atkin @ September 22nd 2009,19:23:26 )
He was probably told after the accusation by Briatore if anything.
I'm with you on that one.
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