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The 1 1/2 mile d-shaped high bank ovals are the problem. When a driver doesn't need to increase the radius of the turn(by entering high, apexing, then tracking out), it changes the dynamic completely. Cars hugging the inside, with a massive draft pulling the cars behind, means one thing. Constant blocking. And blocking from inside out instead of having to compromise a corner by tightening your line. The flatter ovals are completely different, and provide amazing racing. Milwaukee, Phoenix, New Hampshire and especially Indy, are awesome. Either get the other ones off the schedule or re-configure the tracks. I'm surprised Indycar hasn't had a lot more similar or worse tragedies at these bullshit highbanked tracks.
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Such a tragedy. I was in total shock, as I was watching the race yesterday. I just can't believe it. So sad.
RIP Dan Wheldon. If Indycar has any decency, they will pay the $5 mil to his family. I agree with Paul Tracy on this one.
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Quote ( Dominik Karda @ October 17th 2011,17:59:03 )
Well, it would be worse if Pastrana would die.
How the bloody hell can you say that one person dying is worse off than someone else? That kind of ticks me off. Indy car just lost one of it's best drivers, and that's the remark you have?
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Any other news on those involved in the crash? I heard that there were up to 4 drivers that were taken to hospital, but no news seems to have emerged about their well-being.
Awful tragedy. It is time that all forms of motorsport realise that the fans can still be entertained without always having to be on he absolute limits of technical innovation, especially when the safety measures in place are decades behind that innovation.
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ October 17th 2011,22:17:55 )
Any other news on those involved in the crash? I heard that there were up to 4 drivers that were taken to hospital, but no news seems to have emerged about their well-being. Quote ( Jed Lilly @ October 17th 2011,21:01:24 )
Pippa's been released from hospital which is great since her crash was also horrific.
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Both Pippa Mann & @JRHildebrand released from #Vegas hospital today. Bruised sternum for JR. Burns to Pippa's right hand. #FullRecoveries
twitter post from an indy sports director. and Hildebrand posted that he had been released
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ October 17th 2011,22:17:55 )
Any other news on those involved in the crash? I heard that there were up to 4 drivers that were taken to hospital, but no news seems to have emerged about their well-being.
Will Power got discharged quickly after he went. Pippa Mann and JR Huldebrand have been released too, all the others had minor injuries dealt with at the track or were uninjured.
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Quote ( Jim Williamson @ October 17th 2011,18:30:48 )
If Indycar has any decency, they will pay the $5 mil to his family.
Best thing I've read all day, I hope they do.
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The other drivers are requesting that too. So they should, the organisers basically committed manslaughter
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Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ October 17th 2011,22:58:32 )
the organisers basically committed manslaughter
i think that is a terrible thing to say firstly the drivers new the risk they could have decided not to go out they have raced their before and no one died .
if the drivers started to revolt against that race they would pull it i am sure.
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just watched on youtube. nasty. got the black arm band on for next race
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Quote ( Cale Murray @ October 17th 2011,23:07:51 )
i think that is a terrible thing to say good for you
But whoever decided to put 34 cars on a track that narrow deserves to be prosecuted. As Jody Scheckter said, it was only a matter of time before someone crashed
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Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ October 17th 2011,23:18:30 )
But whoever decided to put 34 cars on a track that narrow deserves to be prosecuted. I'd say that the progressive nature of the banking was more of an issue, especially due to the very short length of the track.
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Quote ( Finn Shaw-McIver @ October 17th 2011,23:18:30 )
But whoever decided to put 34 cars on a track that narrow deserves to be prosecuted. As Jody Scheckter said, it was only a matter of time before someone crashed
i have never watched an oval when no body crashed but it isn't manslaughter :( i don't like ovals and never have and i was a massive fan of cart even when they had ovals this has been my 1st season really watching irl but if the drivers had a problem they could of just not went out.
it is a massive shame but really this is the nature of the beast like greg moore accident i still would prefer no more ovals but that is not going to happen.
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I think either cars will be required to have a lower top speed in high-banking ovals (Las Vegas and Texas for 2012), or not race there at all. Only 11 confirmed tracks for 2012 (compared to 17 for this season), so my feeling is that they will look into the former.
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i still do not know why the cut gold coast and mexico (both events)and japan which all got massive crowds .
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John, I don't think the 1.5 ovals are the big problem because Indy , Milwaukee, California and Phoenix have all seen Indycar /open wheel drivers die. Racing is a dangerous business even Formula One (Aryton Senna) and Stock Car (Dale Earnhardt) at 30 mph or 220mph. Most fans today are too young to remember when a driver use to die almost every year at Indy or in F-1. The sanctioning bodies must continue to focus on safety in the cars but no matter how much safety is incorporated into the cars racers are going to race hard. Texas and Vegas belong on the Indycar schedule just have to find ways to lessen the risk.
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Quote ( Earl Hopson @ October 18th 2011,02:58:22 )
John, I don't think the 1.5 ovals are the big problem because Indy , Milwaukee, California and Phoenix have all seen Indycar /open wheel drivers die
Every track you quoted there are flat ovals. FLAT can work. But Vegas, with all that banking, letting drivers not lift off the throttle at all is pure ignorance on the sanctioning body of Indycar. Texas is a bit more of an open track than Vegas, bust I'm still against any track with that much banking being on an Indycar schedule. It's asking for something unnecessary to happen. I even hate the tracks when Nascar races on them. They're all the same and have led to the demise of real racing in stock cars if you ask me. Now they're leading to deaths in other forms of racing.
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Quote ( John Henderson @ October 17th 2011,18:10:17 )
he 1 1/2 mile d-shaped high bank ovals are the problem. When a driver doesn't need to increase the radius of the turn(by entering high, apexing, then tracking out), it changes the dynamic completely. Cars hugging the inside, with a massive draft pulling the cars behind, means one thing. Constant blocking. And blocking from inside out instead of having to compromise a corner by tightening your line.
Also flat out at many of the high-banked tacks. And yes, it creates huge packs where if you're not in line and drafting you're on your way to the back of the pack. It's the NASCAR Talladega/Daytona restrictor plate syndrome.
Quote ( Earl Hopson @ October 18th 2011,02:58:22 )
John, I don't think the 1.5 ovals are the big problem because Indy , Milwaukee, California and Phoenix have all seen Indycar /open wheel drivers die. Racing is a dangerous business even Formula One (Aryton Senna) and Stock Car (Dale Earnhardt) at 30 mph or 220mph. Most fans today are too young to remember when a driver use to die almost every year at Indy or in F-1. The sanctioning bodies must continue to focus on safety in the cars but no matter how much safety is incorporated into the cars racers are going to race hard. Texas and Vegas belong on the Indycar schedule just have to find ways to lessen the risk.
Agreed. Racing is dangerous, mistakes happen. Ask JR Hildebrand. His mistake at Indy at least didn't cost him his life. But the pack mentality Indycar has allowed to develop is breeding a certain type of racing. Large, tight packs where inches matter.
RIP Dan. Thanks for the memories.
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Earl I agree 110%! Racing is a dangerous business, and race car driver know this every well! Maybe the Izod Indy Car sanctioning body needs to do what NASCAR did with Talladega and Daytona and the restrictor plate and find a way to slow the car down on the larger tracks! Safety needs to be the first priority and putting on a good race 2nd!
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I didn't see it listed but a memorial website has been created. Dan was supposed to be introduced today as the driver of the GoDaddy Car. Instead GoDaddy in conjuction with IndyCar has created a website to honor Dan and his family.
http://danwheldonmemorial.com/
Graham Rahal tweeted that he will be auctioning off his helmet and give the money to the Wheldon Family. They are also going to list a memorial fund on that site as well.
Dallara will pay tribute to Dan by naming the 2012 after him.
""We will honor his memory 4 the years to come by dedicating the Dallara IndyCar 2012 in his name." - Gianpaolo Dallara "
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These drivers are risking everything to keep there rides for next season, and this is the wrong style track to wind down a competitive season........ Anyway i feel for Dan's family and close friends........... RIP..........Dan Wheldon............ Too show respect i will be running Black car livery ! : ((( For the remainder of this season........
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The main issue is with the catch fencing. It's not the first time a driver has hit it. Stan Fox and Kenny Brack are 2 drivers who had their cars ripped apart by it, and were very lucky to survive. An alternative is needed. However, if cars could be prevented from flipping or taking off, that would also greatly improve safety.
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Quote ( Andrew Lawrence @ October 18th 2011,17:29:59 )
However, if cars could be prevented from flipping or taking off, that would also greatly improve safety.
That's the whole purpose of the new 2012 cars, they are hoping to make sure that these new cars will not flip anymore. I hope those guys in Dallara has done just that.
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I'd like to see something put up to protect them from the catch fencing, especially where there is no grandstands, where wheldon crashed there is no reason not to built the SAFER barrier all the way up to the top of what is currently catch fencing and paint the adverts on there.
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Quote ( Cale Murray @ October 17th 2011,11:09:03 )
power has already pulled out i will be suprised if the other 4 come as well power is injured
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