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#1 dikirim Feb 13 2015, 18:23:25
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I have a suggestion regarding rookie & amateur levels. I have seen couple of examples of managers who managed to promote to amateur with poor results in rookie and afterwards even to PRO level. Then, faced with sudden though competition they have abandoned the game.
I suggest that GPRO needs to strenghten rookie levels in order to avoid lousy rookie leagues with less then 10 active managers.
Current situation is:
416 rookie leagues - 16640 slots (but about 8000 or even less active managers)
125 Amateur leagues - 5000 slots
each season at least 1875 managers go between these two ranks (almost 1/4 of all rookie managers promote to amateur each season)!
I suggest you reduce the number of rookie leagues in order to achieve stronger competition in rookie which will enable managers to learn faster and be more prepared for bigger levels. Also, I believe that number of managers which are to relegate to rookie from amateur could be lowered in order to maintain quality in amateur.
My suggestion is this:
250 rookie groups with first 5 to promote (1250 total)
125 amateur groups with 12 to relegate (1500 total)
rest will be covered through additional promotions).
Any opinions?
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#2 dikirim Feb 13 2015, 18:27:06
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Why do you want stronger competition in Rookie groups? It's a learning level, after all.
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#3 dikirim Feb 13 2015, 18:30:52
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A quite interesting proposal.
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#4 dikirim Feb 13 2015, 18:32:18
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You make a very valid point,however you have to consider the way people are..
MOST..MOST..MOST (just to be clear).. will quit if they don't have success rather quickly,so it becomes an issue that needs to be balanced finding the "right" difficulty setting.
Plus,you can't control who is going to play and who won't. You just can't.
Finally, I notice you haven't been in R for a long time,which means you probably know your stuff. Do you remember what it was like your first season when you knew absolutely nothing about this game? I do.. It sucked.. I was hard enough lol
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#5 dikirim Feb 13 2015, 18:35:21
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I agree that something should be fixed "down there"
Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ February 13th 2015,18:27:06 ) Why do you want stronger competition in Rookie groups? It's a learning level, after all. Groups of 10 kill the entertaining side of the game
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#6 dikirim Feb 13 2015, 18:35:24
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My question is if they quit as soon as it got difficult in Pro is making it "harder" at the lower levels gonna make any difference bar they will quit sooner :)
Also the potential side effect is that more people would quit because it being "harder" sooner :)
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#7 dikirim Feb 13 2015, 18:36:29
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Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ February 13th 2015,18:35:21 ) Groups of 10 kill the entertaining side of the game
So you prefer 'entertainment' instead of 'learning'? Ok then. :)
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#8 dikirim Feb 13 2015, 18:39:15
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Other suggestion than this if a manager is in promotion spot he should be able renew his driver if he promote .
Related to rookie and ama .
my current situation
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#9 dikirim Feb 13 2015, 18:39:55
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ February 13th 2015,18:36:29 ) So you prefer 'entertainment' instead of 'learning'? Ok then. :)
To be fair.. IT IS a game..
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Quote ( Kshitij Sharma @ February 13th 2015,18:39:15 ) Other suggestion than this if a manager is in promotion spot he should be able renew his driver if he promote .
Related to rookie and ama .
my current situation
Except that learning to manage driver OA is arguably one of the more important lessons to learn before escaping rookie.
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Quote ( Kshitij Sharma @ February 13th 2015,18:37:46 ) Other suggestion than this if a manager is in promotion spot he should be able renew his driver if he promote .
You're amusing.
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Think of all of them sponsors that won't ever find themselves on cars. What a waste of money.
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Quote ( Rocco Stallone @ February 13th 2015,18:39:55 ) To be fair.. IT IS a game..
You're also supposed to LEARN there. That's the first step of a new manager, isn't it?
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ February 13th 2015,18:36:29 ) Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ February 13th 2015,18:35:21 )
Groups of 10 kill the entertaining side of the game
So you prefer 'entertainment' instead of 'learning'? Ok then. :) On my first season here, there were 26 managers racing in my rookie group regularly. I'm sure entertaining and learning aspects can be combined
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ February 13th 2015,18:36:29 ) Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ February 13th 2015,18:35:21 )
Groups of 10 kill the entertaining side of the game
So you prefer 'entertainment' instead of 'learning'? Ok then. :)
So you learn more from 9 other opponents and scoring points easily than against 20+ and having to use good strategy for good results?
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Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ February 13th 2015,18:41:53 ) On my first season here, there were 26 managers racing in my rookie group regularly. I'm sure entertaining and learning aspects can be combined
Interestingly though in season 26 when you started 1050 less managers were racing in rookie by the end of the season compared to the start
Where as this season its only 83 less managers
Maybe that stat speaks for itself :)
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Quote ( Peter Willmore @ February 13th 2015,18:47:39 ) Interestingly though in season 26 when you started 1050 less managers were racing in rookie by the end of the season compared to the start
Where as this season its only 83 less managers
What does that work out to as a percentage of total managers in rookie for those 2 seasons?
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Quote ( Kuba Szajbel @ February 13th 2015,18:41:53 ) On my first season here, there were 26 managers racing in my rookie group regularly. I'm sure entertaining and learning aspects can be combined
Quote ( Bert Elsmann @ February 13th 2015,18:43:59 ) When did you drive the last time in rookie to get a feeling about it? The deserted rookie groups are a serious problem.
Quote ( Daniel Mason @ February 13th 2015,18:45:29 ) So you learn more from 9 other opponents and scoring points easily than against 20+ and having to use good strategy for good results?
Well, if you guys want to race on a full Rookie grid ... I don't see a problem.
I just think it might prove a bit difficult for a new manager to handle it.
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#20 dikirim Feb 13 2015, 18:52:41 (terakhir disunting Feb 13 2015, 18:56:08 oleh Maik Schesch)
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Participation has a fair chance this race to be lower than 10k manager (for the first time since S34 R17). We've seen this massive group extensions, but rookie participation is even declining while all other levels stay basically the same.
/gb/Stats.asp?type=graphparticipants#scroll
Quote ( Marin Ivković @ February 13th 2015,18:23:25 ) Current situation is:
416 rookie leagues - 16640 slots (but about 8000 or even less active managers)
Rather 5k active by the graph above.
Fortunately I don't have to see this drama in Pro as groups are still packed. The last rookie holiday really shocked me.
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Quote ( Mike Brummert @ February 13th 2015,18:49:10 )
What does that work out to as a percentage of total managers in rookie for those 2 seasons?
Season 26 - 14.5% drop
Season 45 - 0.91% drop
Quote ( Maik Schesch @ February 13th 2015,18:52:41 ) Participation has a fair chance this race to be lower than 10k manager
For this race is 10137 :-)
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Rookie Group is very important to learn the basics of the game and focusing on this its not really important to race against 10 or 25.
Nevertheless i can follow your thoughts, so my personal suggestion:
Implement a "New" Group between Rookie and Amateur.
Rules can say, that P1-10 in Rookie promote to next level. And From "New Group" first 3 or 4 promote to Amateur.
So Rookie is a real learning group and next level will be interesting for all committed managers!
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I find it sad that in my group we only have about 16 starters per race. Thats only 15 people who get to see how great I am. I think it only fair to have fewer rookie groups so more people get to witness my brilliance. ;-)
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ February 13th 2015,18:49:18 ) I just think it might prove a bit difficult for a new manager to handle it.
That's what will happen when they get to Amateur because they weren't used to such stiff competition in Rookie.
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Maybe not full rookie group, but I also think something should be done to change Rookie a bit so it is not as abandoned as it is now. Trying to get it to 25+ cars per rookie group would be good, but at least 20. I know it can be hard to do so the best way is to recruit, recruit, recruit.
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Too many "too many inactive" threads.
The argument becomes quite fragmented with each new thread, and best to keep the suggestion altogether. May I suggest using this one - /gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=24387&Page=4
Some good points made here, share them in there and continue the discussion. Although Daniel and I have both came up with the solution and just need the powers that be to listen :p
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Quote ( Daniel Mason @ February 13th 2015,18:57:05 ) That's what will happen when they get to Amateur because they weren't used to such stiff competition in Rookie.
I thought Amateur was the last joyride before Pro. :)
Anyway, I do see your point.
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Quote ( Andrei Ciuchi @ February 13th 2015,18:49:18 ) Well, if you guys want to race on a full Rookie grid ... I don't see a problem.
Yes I want a race on full rookie grid. But I don't want to promote to Amateur while being on last position in my group with 0 points, because all other above went into negative and I'm just a new player who doesn't doesn't know about anything (like it has been short before end of last season in my group).
I also don't want that my driver gains Motiviation after a start crash like it has been in last season, because a 12th position is still a good result and there ain't more than 12 people in a group.
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All I'll say is each time I stopped playing is because I got too frustrated at the giant step up Amateur is for me.
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#30 dikirim Feb 13 2015, 19:02:26 (terakhir disunting Feb 13 2015, 19:06:57 oleh Jes Roth)
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If 10 is the ideal # of people in a rookie group, then make it 10. Why are people so against full competition in rookie? As it is, 40 is a full group, and when i started playing this game, one of my first thoughts was: 'this game must really suck if only 1/3 of my group is playing.'
Js
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