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Jutt think in this....Bottas is 53 points ahead of Kimi......is he such a better driver than Kimi to be so in front???? But Vettel is ahead of both Hamilton and Bottas with same car as Kimi....draw your own conclussions......
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Quote ( Matt Kasar @ July 31st 2017,22:09:57 )
... vettel only has a lead through luck and if he wins the championship it will only be through a lot more luck. But the rosberg won last year so anything can happen
Yeah, I would say Hamilton get's more luck than Vettel, for example Canada ? Vettels wing was damaged and he had to pit to change it. He managed from way back, reach back to finish 4th and if he would not have stuck a little under Force India drivers who were arguaging who should try to get 3rd, he would have even finished 3rd. While Hammilton drove whole race uncontested and then sayed it was a good race ? When he won it only by luck ...
Hamilton is good because he's in Mercedes, if you would swap him with Vettel, Hamilton won't be able to win in. Like last race, he asked to let him thrue and try to take Kimi, because he was feeling he has alot more speed under the hood and he will be able to do it, in the end, he didint managed that ... At least he honored the promise and returned the spot to Bottas.
P.S. Both of them will cry about everything ... we just can't hear all of the radio chatter ...
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Vettel's voice is more annoying.
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Vettel is such an incredible lucky driver, he was just lucky for the entire career.. those 4 championships.. pure luck and he had the best car.
HAmilton in the other hand, is way better than mercedes..
[/Screw logic!]
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ July 31st 2017,23:11:19 ) Vettel is such an incredible lucky driver, he was just lucky for the entire career.. those 4 championships.. pure luck and he had the best car.
HAmilton in the other hand, is way better than mercedes..
[/Screw logic!]
Think your SarcaSm Will be loSt for Some Marce,jaja
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ July 31st 2017,23:11:19 ) HAmilton in the other hand, is way better than mercedes..
Hamilton started as a yought driver in Maclaren when it was on top... and he moved to mercedes when mercedes got to top so can't say he hasn't been lucky...
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Does Hamilton get a point for every wanky piercing?
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Quote ( Jensen Owens @ July 31st 2017,21:44:11 ) About 5% of the Vettel votes are for him the 95% are Ferrari.
Realy? Did you interview everyone that voted for Vettel? Or are you just saying whatever you wish to be true without looking for the facts?
Don't bother answering, everyone knows the truth
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#39 dikirim Jul 31 2017, 23:22:10 (terakhir disunting Jul 31 2017, 23:22:37 oleh Matt Kasar)
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Quote ( Veres Tamás @ July 31st 2017,22:56:05 ) You are English...so No comment...
Hamilton was the only missed the London's show, ...and you even so support him.
Actually I don't support Hamilton, but I cannot stand Vettel, nothing to do with nationality.
I've raced though and if anyone did what Vettel did to me I would be taking a baseball bat to their garage after the race.
You just don't ram other cars, motorsport is dangerous enough without turds like that in it
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Quote ( Martin Irla @ July 31st 2017,22:58:24 ) Jutt think in this....Bottas is 53 points ahead of Kimi......is he such a better driver than Kimi to be so in front???? But Vettel is ahead of both Hamilton and Bottas with same car as Kimi....draw your own conclussions......
Are you trying to prove that Vettel is the best?
Maybe Kimi is just too old (or just bad, at least with current cars and tyres) (and has had poor strategies and been helping Vettel).
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Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ July 31st 2017,23:22:30 ) Maybe Kimi is just too old (or just bad, at least with current cars and tyres) (and has had poor strategies and been helping Vettel).
or he didn't learn Italian... :D
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Quote ( Marko Stojčev @ July 31st 2017,20:38:54 ) You really don't deserve any legitimate feedback on this one, thumb down.
I bet he's just pining away without your feedback.
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In a way yes Jukka....Hamilton is a very good driver.But he won hiS titles for having the best car,not for being the best driver....and i agree that Kimi is getting old;but there no such diference as the pointS show With BottaS and Hamilton as drivers...
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Jukka!
Kimi is a good driver but 0,1-0,4s slower than Vettel (average), But Vettel the best driver,so not Kimi is slow, rather Seb is too fast :)
Bottas was an undervalued driver, and Hamilton is a VERY overrated driver...so that's why Bottas seems so strong :p
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#45 dikirim Jul 31 2017, 23:33:09 (terakhir disunting Jul 31 2017, 23:35:44 oleh Matt Kasar)
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Quote ( Dainius Vaškys @ July 31st 2017,23:01:21 ) we just can't hear all of the radio chatter ...
actually once i did. Malaysia 2013 I was in the redbull garage with a team headset on. I watched vettel come in, have his pitstop just 15 yards from me, I heard his order to hold position behind webber as per the team orders to race until all pits were completed
Then I watched on the monitor as he nearly drove webber off the track with webber obviously was not expecting an attack from his teammate (Vettel doesn't understand what teammate means)
All outsiders, including me, were then immediately removed from the garage so I had to return to the club with all the corporate idiots and finish watching the race there.
There was then the incident when he waited in the box to prevent webber changing his tyres in time to complete the final, most important qualy lap
Vettel has shown on many occasions that he is a slimy little turd, I have absolutely no respect for him whatsoever. It isn't a case of me supporting Hamilton because he's British, it's a case of me detesting Vettel because he is detestable
Can you imagine Vettel handing 3rd back to his teammate because he promised to? Laughable!
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But Matt,even agreeing with you in lots of things,thats not the point....you can hate Vettel how he is as a person,but its impossible to argue him as a driver,which i think is the subject of this post....Maradona is a piece of shit as a person,but as a football player he was the best that existed,at least the best i saw...there are two diferent things.....
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Can you imagine if any of that happened in Mercedes with Nico?
Martin are you bringing Maradona to an English? (High five)
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actually not quite. The post was about who will be champion, not who is the best driver.
they are both excellent drivers obviously or they wouldn't be where they are. but hamilton has the better car so i'll stick with hamilton
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Quote ( Konstantin Kiskinov @ July 31st 2017,21:54:33 ) Both Hamilton and Vettel are on a lower level than Alonso. The second best driver of 21st century and the only one in the last 10 years who is capable of winning and fighting for title even with weak cars. :p
tbh, Fernando isn't exactly blameless for the fact he has always manage to negotiate his way into shit cars. He has totally mismanaged his career.
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Fernando moved to Ferrari when Ferrari was not ready, more or less like Prost back in the 90's...
Then I don't know what he was thinking... McLaren Honda looked good on paper I guess..
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Quote ( Matt Kasar @ July 31st 2017,23:22:10 ) ... You just don't ram other cars, motorsport is dangerous enough without turds like that in it
No one here is defending Vettels move on that regard. He was stupid to do that and everyone knows it. You can only learn from your mistakes. You just have to hope it's not too late.
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ July 31st 2017,23:11:19 ) Vettel is such an incredible lucky driver, he was just lucky for the entire career.. those 4 championships.. pure luck and he had the best car.
HAmilton in the other hand, is way better than mercedes..
[/Screw logic!]
Well McLaren and theb Ferrari were close every time, but with Hamilton in Mercedes, nobody was even close until this year. And Vettel had Webber as his teammate and he was really good. Vettel is consistent and because of that he will win the championship, it is not all about winning.
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Quote ( Dainius Vaškys @ August 1st 2017,00:36:57 ) You can only learn from your mistakes. You just have to hope it's not too late.
Unfortunately I don't think that's possible in this case. In each and every one of these instances you can be sure he doesn't think he has made any mistake. The problem is his character not his decision making
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Heart says Hamilton (English)
Head says Vettel (consistent, team mate supporting, has the lead currently)
One thing I will say however - Isn't it great to have a (3 way) title fight at mid seasons, with more than one team being involved and even the redbulls are starting to look stronger.
I think its likely Vettel will take one more 5 place grid penalty as I think he has used more engine components at this point of the season, that being said, Merc have hardly been the epitome of reliability so far
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Vettel has a history of shooting his mouth off about things and then being shown to be wrong. The jump start and brake testing are two just from this season. He thinks everyone is out there so that he can beat them with no ability to realise everyone has their own agendas and that they usually don't match his. Perhaps this is what makes him a champion but it also makes him an A grade wanker.
Having said all that, he should win the title. He's a one man band fighting against two guys that potentially will take points off each other.
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they are both world class drivers!
but....
i think Vettel may just get it this season, with a narrow lead over Hamilton!
but....
im British so i want Hamilton to win :D
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Lewis will beat all records set by Vettel if he has not done or ready.
Vettel was good in Redbull a car made for him.
Since he has switched till this season he has not really shown his 4 X World Champ Quality's
Lewis has Won his titles under 2 manufacturers, if it was not for his bad luck last season he would be a 4 X World Champ for sure.
Lewis imo clearly stands out as the better driver of the 2.
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Quote ( Jensen Owens @ August 1st 2017,10:44:49 ) Vettel was good in Redbull a car made for him.
Since he has switched till this season he has not really shown his 4 X World Champ Quality's
A Vettel fan would argue that while Vettel was dominating Hamilton didn't show world champ quality either.
I agree with Jon Luc, they are both 2 of the best drivers in history. I think this season Vettel so far has done a better job, the Mercedes looks slightly quicker and Vettel is winning, but there's still a long way to go!
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ABM
Now ABH :)
Anybody but Hamilton !
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