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What should be the point system
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Should we switch the point system to the current F1 system? I figure that with 40-player races, points for the top-10 would work better, as they're more representative of the race entrants (25% of the drivers get points, instead of 20% in the current system). Under this system, here's how the points would be attributed:
Position | Old system | New System
1st | 10 | 25
2nd | 8 | 18
3rd | 6 | 15
4th | 5 | 12
5th | 4 | 10
6th | 3 | 8
7th | 2 | 6
8th | 1 | 4
9th | 0 | 2
10th | 0 | 1
I don't think the new fastest lap bonus would be great for this as tyre type couldn't be changed and so everyone would just go on extra softs, maybe not the best idea.
So what do you guys think? Change it or keep it?
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No......
This is not F1 !
Keep it as it is !
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Changing the system would make all current records/stats meaningless. Given it adds absolutely nothing to the game, and takes something away, I don't support this idea.
I also didn't support it the other 782 times it was suggested.
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Quote ( Sam Wainwright @ May 1st 2019,18:35:45 ) Changing the system would make all current records/stats meaningless.
Hmm, I've overlooked this. Still, they could be split on before/after this system
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I'm still for changing the system, but given the 782 times the suggestion has already been declined, I don't think it's gonna happen.
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Quote ( José Marques @ May 1st 2019,18:30:35 ) Should we switch the point system to the current F1 system?
A few things to consider
- It didn't take long for F1 to realize they made a mistake, and they started to think piling up things on top of the points system, like double points from season final race, extra points for qually extra points for fast lap. They just couldn't face the fact that the best thing would be to revert to previous system, ego's couldn't take it, I guess
- It's not just a points system, it would have wide-spread effects, economy as one example (points money)
- all statistics would be tainted
- That points system doesn't really improve things, (as people in F1 have also said), it actually makes some things even worse.
Just one example being the possibility of the Championship being decided way earlier in the season
And finally
- There's no reason for Gpro to turn everything upside-down every time some ol' geezer in F1 management group gets a daft idea
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Quote ( José Marques @ May 1st 2019,18:30:35 ) Should we switch the point system to the current F1 system? I figure that with 40-player races, points for the top-10 would work better, as they're more representative of the race entrants (25% of the drivers get points, instead of 20% in the current system). Under this system, here's how the points would be attributed:
Position | Old system | New System
1st | 10 | 25
2nd | 8 | 18
3rd | 6 | 15
4th | 5 | 12
5th | 4 | 10
6th | 3 | 8
7th | 2 | 6
8th | 1 | 4
9th | 0 | 2
10th | 0 | 1
I don't think the new fastest lap bonus would be great for this as tyre type couldn't be changed and so everyone would just go on extra softs, maybe not the best idea.
Change it or keep it? So what do you guys think?
i think a little research in past discussions before posting (and there are more than 30 on that subject) does no harm to anyone.
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 1st 2019,18:49:25 ) - That points system doesn't really improve things, (as people in F1 have also said), it actually makes some things even worse.
Just one example being the possibility of the Championship being decided way earlier in the season
That also depends on wheter some teams (think Mercedes) are much more advanced than others. In 2010, when this point system was decided the championship was decided in the final race with 4 drivers with possibility of winning
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Quote ( José Marques @ May 1st 2019,18:55:25 ) n 2010, when this point system was decided the championship was decided in the final race with 4 drivers with possibility of winning
Well sure, there has been 3 similar seasons in the whole of F1 history, once in the 60s and once in 70s and third time now at 2010
And the points system was quite different the first 2 times it happened (9–6–4–3–2–1)
So one could say that the points system didn't really make that happen #2010 :)
It just was a freaky season with incidents
Most of the time the Championship is decided before season finale, most commonly 2-4 before. Except for the rare occasions when team-mates have the theoretical chance.
With the current points system of F1, the Champion could've missed the final 3-4 races completely during several past seasons (though F1 rules don't allow it)
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I'm pretty sure the 2003-2009 system had the exact same scenario
In fact, the new system has had 0 effect on titles, and wouldve only decided 4 different title winners in the past
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Well, I normally support this game being as close as possible to Formula 1. But in this case, the earlier points earned by drivers would be meaningless with this new system. I would have liked to see fastest lap 1 point thing but I don’t think it’s a permanent thing in real life. The rules can be reversed any time in Formula 1 so there’s no point of making constant changes in order to make this game fit into that.
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Quote ( Sam Wainwright @ May 1st 2019,18:35:45 ) Given it adds absolutely nothing to the game
I know that this is a very popular bandwagon in this game, but have you actually given that any thought or did you just follow the masses? I think it absolutely would add something to the game: it would make retention battles less dependent on countback and more dependent on actual points. That would definitely be a good thing imo.
The F1 points system was designed for a roughly 22-car field with roughly 1 third of entrants not making the finish due to reliability issues or crashes. That means that roughly one half of those who made the finish were awarded points. In the old days it used to be an even larger share, and there have been voices calling to increase the number of points scoring positions in F1 to go with the trend of lower attrition rates.
In my opinion, the current system of awarding points only to the top 8 finishers works VERY poorly for the 35 to 40 cars that make the finish in a GPRO race.
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Quote ( José Marques @ May 1st 2019,18:55:25 ) Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 1st 2019,18:49:25 )
- That points system doesn't really improve things, (as people in F1 have also said), it actually makes some things even worse.
Just one example being the possibility of the Championship being decided way earlier in the season
That also depends on wheter some teams (think Mercedes) are much more advanced than others. In 2010, when this point system was decided the championship was decided in the final race with 4 drivers with possibility of winning
Well,here are the points before the final race of 2010 if 2003-09 points system was used:
Vettel-94
Alonso-99
Webber-96
Hamilton-92
So 4 drivers had chance to win the title as Kyle and Mikko pointed out already :) The difference is,Alonso would have needed 3rd place this time to claim the title instead of 4th.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ May 1st 2019,20:06:55 ) Quote ( Sam Wainwright @ May 1st 2019,18:35:45 )
Given it adds absolutely nothing to the game
I know that this is a very popular bandwagon in this game, but have you actually given that any thought or did you just follow the masses? I think it absolutely would add something to the game: it would make retention battles less dependent on countback and more dependent on actual points. That would definitely be a good thing imo.
The F1 points system was designed for a roughly 22-car field with roughly 1 third of entrants not making the finish due to reliability issues or crashes. That means that roughly one half of those who made the finish were awarded points. In the old days it used to be an even larger share, and there have been voices calling to increase the number of points scoring positions in F1 to go with the trend of lower attrition rates.
In my opinion, the current system of awarding points only to the top 8 finishers works VERY poorly for the 35 to 40 cars that make the finish in a GPRO race.
I agree in the sense that from a starting point it would have made sense for there to be more points scorers, but I've never really sat here thinking "damn, I wish this retention battle were being settled on points and not on countback", and I see only negatives in changing the system now.
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Quote ( Alihan Zor @ May 1st 2019,20:23:18 ) Quote ( José Marques @ May 1st 2019,18:55:25 )
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 1st 2019,18:49:25 )
- That points system doesn't really improve things, (as people in F1 have also said), it actually makes some things even worse.
Just one example being the possibility of the Championship being decided way earlier in the season
That also depends on wheter some teams (think Mercedes) are much more advanced than others. In 2010, when this point system was decided the championship was decided in the final race with 4 drivers with possibility of winning
Well,here are the points before the final race of 2010 if 2003-09 points system was used:
Vettel-94
Alonso-99
Webber-96
Hamilton-92
So 4 drivers had chance to win the title as Kyle and Mikko pointed out already :) The difference is,Alonso would have needed 3rd place this time to claim the title instead of 4th.
It is going offtopic but I realized something strange would have happened with that system if Alonso finished 4th and Vettel won. They would be level on points (104) and they would have same number of 1st,2nd,3rd,4th and 6th place finishes. Vettel would claim the title by having a 7th place finish,whereas Alonso had two 8th place finishes.
It is if and buts however,that would be the strangest title claim if happened I suppose
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10-8-6-5-5-4-4-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-2-1-1-1-1-1 (1st-20th)
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20-17-15-13-11-9-7-5-3-1 (1st-10th)
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 1st 2019,18:49:25 ) - There's no reason for Gpro to turn everything upside-down every time some ol' geezer in F1 management group gets a daft idea
But, given that countless discussions gave birth to implemented game changes, are you saying the admins are daft for then doing so? Or are you saying they are no longer daft once an admin has approved of a daft idea? In which case...we should certainly keep ideas coming, no matter how 'daft' you, or anyone else, proclaims them to be, right? :)
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Quote ( Yakup Paçacı @ May 1st 2019,21:43:57 ) 20-17-15-13-11-9-7-5-3-1 (1st-10th) ~ arithmetic series.
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I'm a big believer in leas is more and would rather see the point system go the old school route of 9-6-4-3-2-1 so that scoring points becomes more valuable. I know that will never happen so leave it as it is.
I would like to see the non-point scoring positions better reflect a Manager's season, though. The idea that a single 9th place result is better than seventeen 10th place results is mind boggling at best.
No further points are required but why not institute a system where you add the results together to determine a Manager's position.
9-9-10= 28
9-15-11= 35
This would make the entire season much more interesting in it's entirety rather than Managers focusing on a single result or two hoping for retention.
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Quote ( Richard Hylands @ May 1st 2019,21:51:29 ) why not institute a system where you add the results together to determine a Manager's position.
9-9-10= 28
9-15-11= 35
Quote ( Richard Hylands @ May 1st 2019,21:51:29 ) This would make the entire season much more interesting
Or would it make that tyre puncture random which earnt a 40th placing an effective deciding factor in the standing rather than the higher placing you had over your rival in another race? Not sure I would agree with that idea :/
Thing is, the points system doesn't have to drastically change for the top 8 if people would rather lower placings were better served with some kind of minor points. I mean, why not even give 0.75 for a 9th and 10th, 0.5 for 11th to 15th and 0.25 for 16th to 20th. It'd be enough to be significant without interfering with game records or points monies on the game as was mentioned earlier in the thread.
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Quote ( Richard Hylands @ May 1st 2019,21:51:29 )
9-9-10= 28
9-15-11= 35 Sum of placement numbers.
What about with random?
What about the economy?
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ May 1st 2019,21:53:41 ) Or would it make that tyre puncture random you got a deciding factor rather than the higher placing you had over your rival in another race? Not sure I would agree with that.
Maybe 16/17,discard worst result, either way it won't get someone into top 10 but could potentially keep someone up with really consistent results rather than a one off good finish.
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The randoms tend to even out over the long run and we all generally suffer and benefit from them in proportion.
I'm not suggesting GPRO is quite like F1 for real, but a tire puncture could easily cost you a position in a Championship or even the Championship itself.
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Quote ( Richard Hylands @ May 1st 2019,21:57:27 ) The randoms tend to even out over the long run
In a single season? I disagree, since someone can easily go a whole season without one, whilst someone else can get both a tyre puncture and a car part failure in the same season.
I honestly think the only way to do it is the one I mentioned if people would rather see minor points for the lower retain positions of the field. The system can't be changed to a bigger system cos it really is not worth spoiling game records for the sake of change. People might think 0.75, 0.5 or 0.25 points earnings to be peculiar, but it isn't an unreasonable thought. Its small enough to not have an effect on game economy (since it could easily be fixed that only 8th and higher earn points bonus monies) but plenty enough to have some effect on the standing positions.
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Three relegations (40th place) and death :(
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Quote ( Yakup Paçacı @ May 1st 2019,21:43:57 ) 20-17-15-13-11-9-7-5-3-1 (1st-10th) 42-23-16-15-8-4 (1st-6th)
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Quote ( Andrzej Powalka @ May 1st 2019,23:04:38 ) 42-23-16-15-8-4 (1st-6th) 1 point how much $?
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2003-2009 and Current GPRO (10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1)
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