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Would you like cancellation of Driver Energy?
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Wątek: Cancel Driver Energy |
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#301 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:04:23
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Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ September 20th 2016,23:01:52 ) Stamina in GPRO has never really been entirely stamina. And it was overpowered already.
Opportunity to re-balance then.
Go the intuitive route; more talent effect on pace, with stamina predominantly to do with recovery and drain.
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#302 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:05:33 (ostatnio edytowany Wrz 20 2016, 23:10:22 przez Veres Tamás)
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More and more manager think that, energy(losing) is random.. so despite of, we use it only for 2 races, I hope this will be cancellation, because all winners are lucky, not deserved wins. At least pls put logic..logic...logic in the system
My motivation started to go down :(
"Based on your feedback, we've implemented a few quick but necessary fixes to the new driver energy feature which will apply directly after the end of Race 2. "
i hope this will help to keep my motivation..:) but the last 2 races was
disappointing
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#303 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:05:49
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ September 20th 2016,23:04:23 ) Go the intuitive route; more talent effect on pace, with stamina predominantly to do with recovery and drain.
Could be. But imagine the shouting if the driver pace was altered too (well, it kind of was already, but anywyay).
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#304 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:07:53
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Quote ( Remus Dan @ September 20th 2016,23:00:05 ) Quite strange that a driver with high stamina loses energy at the same pace with a driver with no stamina!
IMO stamina has nothing to do with energy. This is correct and logical
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#305 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:08:57
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Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ September 20th 2016,23:05:49 ) Could be. But imagine the shouting if the driver pace was altered too (well, it kind of was already, but anywyay).
Would make driver selection interesting again; do you go for the fast driver that you can rarely push with, or the slower driver that you could push a lot with?
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Quote ( Remus Dan @ September 20th 2016,23:00:05 ) I don't know why there's no relation between stamina and energy! Two attributes that in real life are closely linked, here they are two separate items! Quite strange that a driver with high stamina loses energy at the same pace with a driver with no stamina!!
It 's the truth . Strength and energy should go hand in hand .... the more resistance is the pilot should pay more race and consequently bear more risk
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#307 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:12:03
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Quote ( Remus Dan @ September 20th 2016,23:00:05 ) I don't know why there's no relation between stamina and energy! Two attributes that in real life are closely linked, here they are two separate items! Quite strange that a driver with high stamina loses energy at the same pace with a driver with no stamina!
Did you know that when a driver becomes more experienced (and therefore older) he becomes more energetic? It's so logical, isn't it? For example Raikkonen has never been as fast as he is now! The footballers: after they become older and especially when they are 35+ years old they become much faster and they can run for a very long time. :) And it's the same with the drivers. Or at least those in GPRO... :D
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#308 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:14:38
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Quote ( Konstantin Kiskinov @ September 20th 2016,23:12:03 ) Did you know that when a driver becomes more experienced (and therefore older) he becomes more energetic? It's so logical, isn't it? For example Raikkonen has never been as fast as he is now! The footballers: after they become older and especially when they are 35+ years old they become much faster and they can run for a very long time. :) And it's the same with the drivers. Or at least those in GPRO... :D
My concept is that younger drivers recover faster, with more experienced drivers draining slower, with stamina playing a major role in both.
Older drivers know how to conserve their energy better; it's not so much that they have more energy, just that they use it more wisely.
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#309 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:15:59
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ September 20th 2016,23:14:38 ) with stamina playing a major role in both.
Why? Stamina is physical skill, energy is not.
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#310 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:17:56
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Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ September 20th 2016,23:15:59 ) Why? Stamina is physical skill, energy is not.
It's the closest thing we've got, plus it makes more sense than having energy be dependent upon driver charisma.
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ September 20th 2016,23:17:56 ) It's the closest thing we've got, plus it makes more sense than having energy be dependent upon driver charisma
jajajajajajajaja
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#312 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:39:12
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Quote ( Daneks Britāls @ September 20th 2016,23:15:59 ) Stamina is physical skill Really? Im going to train stamina with the sports psychologist...
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#313 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:41:04 (ostatnio edytowany Wrz 20 2016, 23:41:37 przez Jukka Sireni)
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Quote ( Mauricio Angelucci @ September 20th 2016,23:39:12 ) Really? Im going to train stamina with the sports psychologist...
Physical, not psychic(al).
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#314 Opublikowane Wrz 20 2016, 23:42:58
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#315 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 02:07:00
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Quote ( Veres Tamás @ September 20th 2016,23:05:33 ) More and more manager think that, energy(losing) is random.. so despite of, we use it only for 2 races, I hope this will be cancellation, because all winners are lucky, not deserved wins.
So after 2 races you still havent worked out some basics as your Super Help Program doesnt include it. Winner arent lucky, they just have better race plans set up than you, so yes they are deserved. I picked up my 1st podium in the Amateur series, 3rd place, i planed for it.
Still never ran out of energy in either race so far. i was close but now can work in between the bench marks i have set myself with CT and energy.
Really cant work out why you complain about it Veres, you won the 1st race and got 6th in race 2 and lead the Drivers Championship
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#316 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 02:10:07
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what is the super help program??????
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#317 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 04:48:14
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Super help programs like a tools or analysier program were you plug in stuff and get some nice pretty answers, takes all the guess work out it.
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#318 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 07:55:15
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Quote ( Christopher Jones @ September 21st 2016,02:10:07 ) what is the super help program??????
Being Hungarian.
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#319 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 08:42:06
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ok girls, you made it. the admins modified it but dont removed it, what is good for us, who voted for NO.
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Michael Winkley not disrespect, but you have mentioned age, stamina and charisma abilities that play in affect to energy. Since you are retired, how do you know and can prove they affect energy? I have observed something else that may play a part in using up energy, but I need to observe a few more races to see if it is true. So they might play a part, but I notice some changes with my driver ability that seems like they are affecting energy.
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#321 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 15:39:00
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Quote ( Veres Tamás @ September 20th 2016,23:05:33 ) More and more manager think that, energy(losing) is random.. so despite of, we use it only for 2 races,
So after only two races, you`ve been able to work out energy loss is random?
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#322 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 15:52:53
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Quote ( Marius Ruţa @ September 21st 2016,15:39:00 ) So after only two races, you`ve been able to work out energy loss is random?
He knew it after R1 :-)
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#323 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 16:06:17
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Quote ( Christopher Jones @ September 21st 2016,15:28:10 ) Michael Winkley not disrespect, but you have mentioned age, stamina and charisma abilities that play in affect to energy. Since you are retired, how do you know and can prove they affect energy? I have observed something else that may play a part in using up energy, but I need to observe a few more races to see if it is true. So they might play a part, but I notice some changes with my driver ability that seems like they are affecting energy.
The charisma reference was a joke.
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#324 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 16:13:05
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I haven't had the energy (oh the irony.....) to read through all 11 pages, but one thing seems clear - It's captured people's interest and got them talking / thinking about the game!
I voted very, very quickly and clearly to keep Driver Energy, although I'm quite new the game, it's obvious that new ideas / innovations are needed to keep it interesting and to move it on. I'd much rather see people moaning that things have changed and their gaming experience has become more difficult than to see them moaning that nothing has changed and it's all too easy and boring.
Now I completely understand that it's going to suck, probably quite alot and be pretty painful for a while if you've spent years planning ahead, developing a driver and a plan which has enabled you to become successful and then suddenly without warning the goalposts are moved and that plan needs some serious re-thinking. However, as has been said numerous times earlier in the thread - It's the same for everyone, if you can no longer run 100CT all the time, guess what, neither can anyone else. So as much as you're going to have to re-think and adjust your plan - so is everyone else. It's a level playing field and the best managers will continue to be the best managers long term.
Regarding the finer mechanics of Driver Energy, sure some small tweaks might be needed, but I really hope the admins don't bend too much to the pressure from what would appear to be a minority of the active players.
I think the new dynamic of having to think ahead, plan how your energy levels and your recovery levels are going to impact your opportunities to push for points or victories make the whole process of planning a season far more interesting and long term will encourage far better management skills which is surely a good thing?
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#325 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 16:29:37
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Quote ( Simon Allen @ September 21st 2016,16:13:05 ) to read through all 11 pages
Change to 50 posts per page, then you only need to read 7 pages :D
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#326 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 16:32:09
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ September 21st 2016,16:29:37 ) Quote ( Simon Allen @ September 21st 2016,16:13:05 )
to read through all 11 pages
Change to 50 posts per page, then you only need to read 7 pages :D
true, but then there's every chance I wouldn't have even made it through page 1 ;)
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#327 Opublikowane Wrz 21 2016, 16:44:40
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There will always be people complaining, whatever admins do.
It seems that people against drivers' energy just forget that NOBODY can run 100CT anymore.
So drivers energy is not an alteration of THEIR pace. It's a pace evolution for EVERYBODY.
Where's the problem ? Voting "NO" is as absurd as complaining because they can't push 100CT with Extrasoft Tyres !!!
When it will be understood, it would be like sponsors, like car parts, like driver's speed : a part of the game, a part of the pace. Just think and work !
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Quote ( Emmanuel Manfre @ September 21st 2016,16:44:40 ) There will always be people complaining, whatever admins do.
It seems that people against drivers' energy just forget that NOBODY can run 100CT anymore.
So drivers energy is not an alteration of THEIR pace. It's a pace evolution for EVERYBODY.
Where's the problem ? Voting "NO" is as absurd as complaining because they can't push 100CT with Extrasoft Tyres !!!
When it will be understood, it would be like sponsors, like car parts, like driver's speed : a part of the game, a part of the pace. Just think and work !
What if, in few seasons, unhappy people who can't push, like you say, start to sandbagging hard in ama to spam a full lvl 9 car and some bridgerock to retain in M-2 ? :D
After collecting data (few races needed, not much) we're all gonna play on a short range of CTR. I call it a change, not a pace evolution. A change should be positive or not.
I'm not really into high tiers issues, maybe that's something positive there...for now.
But I can say about low tiers (ama - pro): IF people start to invest the money gain from lower CTR in car parts, better tyres and TDs (other possible issue, there are not TDs for all pro) it's not good even for high tiers.
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#329 Opublikowane Wrz 22 2016, 17:20:59 (ostatnio edytowany Wrz 22 2016, 17:28:15 przez Edwin Silva)
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I'm not sure about your point, Francesco. Amateur has always been a cash cow, but there is a soft cap on the money you can take with you to the higher leagues, due to taxes. Even whooping 200M taken from amateur won't be worth but 113M two seasons down the road. You do a lot better hoarding sponsors than taking cash with you.
However, even if that was the case, it isn't as if Master and Pro won't benefit from the CT risk limitation produced by the energy. Actually, I think this will give a huge overhaul to Pro, because up to last season the CT risks in Pro were extremely high if you wanted to perform consistently well, and people's wallets used to run dry. After all, you weren't spending too much lower than in Master, but your income was quite lower. In that regards I think every league but Elite will be long term sustainable without self-destructive season plans for the economy (and Elite isn't long term sustainable for most people due to other stuff unrelated with energy).
In this regards, and considering people in the higher tier already have a very nice pool of advantages over the newcomers, I think the energy change won't produce super amateurs, but almost the contrary. In fairness, I was against that perspective, because newcomers were already at a disadvantage before the energy addition, but after some thought I think the positives heavily outweight the negatives of the change.
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Actually, I don't believe myself in a super-ama evolution but I believe, like you say, in a more sustainable pro. A pro not affordable for all, is the main reason why a lot of managers standing off in the ama-pro-ama waltz.
In simple terms, if you add next to a cash cow, a category in which almost all can economically survive, sandbagging perspective changes, imho.
That's why I don't get where's the satisfaction to call out of the game the "100CTR on ES style", because who abused of that, if it's don't pay anymore, should simply evolve to a pimp-the-package style.
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