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Тема: COVID-19 (aka nCoV) |
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Why no topic about this?
We have 10 confirmed cases here in Malaysia, mostly imported from China.
Is this still not a thing now in Europe? North/South America?
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13 confirmed here in Australia, as of today. N deaths at this stage.
200 odd plus more to come, to be isolated on Christmas Island for 14 day before they can return to their homes.
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Oh the news is full of it, I just tend to not follow the news anymore :)
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It's a chinese thing, only a couple of cases outside China and they acted pretty quickly to contain it, so I think it will be a thing in China for months but will be over pretty soon outside of China.
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Hopefully NO deaths here in Greece! We also got news all day about this topic , and also about immigration. Whole world should help each other to solve as fast as possible these kind of problems!
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I read that alcohol is killing the virus, therefore I'm immune and don't worry about it.
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Quote ( Andrzej Powalka @ February 5th 2020,13:39:08 ) I read that alcohol is killing the virus, therefore I'm immune and don't worry about it. Source? From now on I will only read news from this source :)
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Why this? Cancer and fly are killing more people all over the world!!! Why you started this tread? Can I hide it somehow. I don't like to read this kind of desinformations with a lot od panic.
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Quote ( Joachim Rang @ February 5th 2020,11:28:08 ) It's a chinese thing, only a couple of cases outside China and they acted pretty quickly to contain it, so I think it will be a thing in China for months but will be over pretty soon outside of China.
Stats are interesting and rather disheartening to say the least. The virus seems to really prey on the vulnerable and fragile with vast majority of those reported to have died being the elderly/people already unhealthy and susceptible with previous chronic conditions etc.
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I blame global warming :)
With that^^ claim we can put massive tax on everything.
If there was no global warming bugs like that would die. (doesn't matter if it's true or not, let's put a higher tax on fuel and ban diesel)
:P
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Quote ( MG van Rensburg @ February 5th 2020,14:14:41 ) Stats are interesting and rather disheartening to say the least. The virus seems to really prey on the vulnerable and fragile with vast majority of those reported to have died being the elderly/people already unhealthy and susceptible with previous chronic conditions etc. That's just the same as the regular flu, only with a bit higher rate of deaths per number of infected people, but with a LOT less infections in the first place.
Regular flu kills approximately 200,000 to 250,000 people per year worldwide. Just to put things into perspective.
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Quote ( Predrag Marmut @ February 5th 2020,14:12:29 ) Why this? Cancer and fly are killing more people all over the world!!! Why you started this tread? Can I hide it somehow. I don't like to read this kind of desinformations with a lot od panic. Some viruses are deadlier than cancer, cancer can be cured most of the time's if detected early enough, viruses as well, but new one's which are spreading faster and have mortality chances and no cure, couses people to fear.
Well rumors has it, one of the asian countrys (can't remeber which one) developed the cure and they have cured few volunteers with it and they sent the data to world wide agencies to confirm it's reliability and safety. It says that main ingreadient of that medications are used for curing AID
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ February 5th 2020,14:20:15 ) (doesn't matter if it's true or not, let's put a higher tax on fuel and ban diesel)
Agriculture will die if you ban diesel :D It's the main force for moving those high tonage tractor's through mud and dirt :]
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It is so fun being a Chinese in the UK at the moment because of this.
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Makes a change on British news to headline OTHER than Brexit !!
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Someone pointed out that containers of those disposable Lysol wipes label the coronavirus as one of the bacteria it claims to kill on surfaces, long before the disease starts spreading through China. It's almost as if this is a manufactured crisis to distract people from something......
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I'm not much concerned in Italy, except for psychosis and racism against asian people (even those born here and who never visited China). Against this, I will have lunch at a Chinese restaurant on Saturday. May seem a joke, but we really have empty Chinese restaurants because of this viral ignorance outbreak.
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Quote ( Alessandro Casagrande @ February 5th 2020,21:18:46 ) I'm not much concerned in Italy, except for psychosis and racism against asian people (even those born here and who never visited China). Against this, I will have lunch at a Chinese restaurant on Saturday. May seem a joke, but we really have empty Chinese restaurants because of viral ignorance.
:)
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Quote ( Daniel Mason @ February 5th 2020,21:07:53 ) Lysol wipes label the coronavirus as one of the bacteria it claims to kill
The coronavirus is a virus. Clue's in the name =]
It's just the latest member of a family of viruses, which has been known about for quite some time. That's why various cleaning products already claim to kill coronavirus. Not quite enough to make me reach for the tinfoil hat.
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It's interesting to read different perspectives on the topic. I live in western Canada. Now I can't speak for the whole country but our store shelves have been emptied of Hand sanitizer, Disposable masks and Rubbing alcohol.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ February 5th 2020,14:32:01 ) That's just the same as the regular flu, only with a bit higher rate of deaths per number of infected people, but with a LOT less infections in the first place.
Regular flu kills approximately 200,000 to 250,000 people per year worldwide. Just to put things into perspective. Go tell WHO about this : )
I read the news, the experts are now in split over China's idea to lock down the whole district. Ones say the lock down do actually contain the spread; while the other claimed the lock down has actually elevated the disaster within the district and causing more unnecessary harm than the help, physically and mentally
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Quote ( Lyee Chong @ February 6th 2020,05:24:06 ) Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ February 5th 2020,14:32:01 )
That's just the same as the regular flu, only with a bit higher rate of deaths per number of infected people, but with a LOT less infections in the first place.
Regular flu kills approximately 200,000 to 250,000 people per year worldwide. Just to put things into perspective. Go tell WHO about this : )
I read the news, the experts are now in split over China's idea to lock down the whole district. Ones say the lock down do actually contain the spread; while the other claimed the lock down has actually elevated the disaster within the district and causing more unnecessary harm than the help, physically and mentally
Um... where do you think these statistics come from Lyee?
Oh, and yeah Jasper, as you, simply trying drop a little perspective on it all. The virus, while certainly a horrible thing to have happened, isnt the actual elephant in the room here, its actually China. But hey, nobody seems to want to talk about that. SARS, N1H1 and a host of others... guess where they all originated, guess where they all hit hardest each time?
A logical question of concern surely, what's up with China and the regularity by which they get hit by these outbreaks. You could probably broaden the scope of the question, to through India to the Middle East to some degree too. MERS, and others. No conspiracy theories, just reality. To solve a problem, you need to get to its roots, there's no time for 'safe spaces' and being sensitive. Is it poor health practices? Traditions that bring risk? Poverty?
Why are these outbreaks so focused, so centralized to these regions. I'd rather find the answers to prevent further outbreaks rather than choosing the option to merely put the fires out when they arise. What happens when there is a fire that can't be put out because chose to not bother on why the fires keep popping up in the first place.
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Quote ( MG van Rensburg @ February 6th 2020,07:00:03 ) SARS, N1H1 and a host of others... guess where they all originated, guess where they all hit hardest each time? The last major outbreak of H1N1 in 2009 was called "Mexican flu" because... it started in China? :)
I'm also missing mentions of ebola and HIV in your post, both of which originated from Africa. So I think you're cherry-picking in order to find a scapegoat.
Viruses mutate, that's just what they do. Every so many years a variant pops up that has a little higher mortality rate and then the media circus begins.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ February 6th 2020,12:08:00 ) Quote ( MG van Rensburg @ February 6th 2020,07:00:03 )
SARS, N1H1 and a host of others... guess where they all originated, guess where they all hit hardest each time? The last major outbreak of H1N1 in 2009 was called "Mexican flu" because... it started in China? :)
I'm also missing mentions of ebola and HIV in your post, both of which originated from Africa. So I think you're cherry-picking in order to find a scapegoat.
Viruses mutate, that's just what they do. Every so many years a variant pops up that has a little higher mortality rate and then the media circus begins.
An error on the N1H1. Got my lines crossed on that. I also see perhaps not expressed/worded my comment quite correctly. Not meant as any attack on the areas I mentioned, but you actually highlight in some part, what I'm understanding from your comment.
Why, when it's Africa (where I live btw), and in the case of Mexico, and others, folks havent been afraid to call a spade a spade in the media, wrt the power conditions in the infected areas, vulnerablity of the masses affected, that led up to the outbreak?
Why don't we see the same sort of highlighting of this things with the examples in the areas I mentioned is what I was just asking. A seeming lack of transparancy in the reporting?
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I don't know, I've never been to Wuhan or any other part of China for that matter, so I don't know how the living conditions are. But it doesn't exactly seem like a third world country to me. Of course in such megacities you simply have a whole lot of people packed together in a small space, which creates a good breeding ground for diseases.
What I also read about the corona virus (the whole family, not just the recent outbreak) is that it is common in bats and this outbreak probably comes from a species of bats that only exists in Asia.
But you are right, some cultural factors are probably at play too. For example, the transfer of disease from birds to humans is more common in certain parts of Asia because people are in closer proximity to poultry.
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ February 6th 2020,13:15:09 ) I don't know, I've never been to Wuhan or any other part of China for that matter, so I don't know how the living conditions are. But it doesn't exactly seem like a third world country to me. Of course in such megacities you simply have a whole lot of people packed together in a small space, which creates a good breeding ground for diseases.
What I also read about the corona virus (the whole family, not just the recent outbreak) is that it is common in bats and this outbreak probably comes from a species of bats that only exists in Asia.
But you are right, some cultural factors are probably at play too. For example, the transfer of disease from birds to humans is more common in certain parts of Asia because people are in closer proximity to poultry.
If proximity to the poultry were an issue, should very much be a problem here in Africa too, but then for sure, there are issues.
And don't let the 1st world label fool you. There are some horrendous conditions in China. The difference between haves and have nots is ofttimes very scary, the world over really.
And that's really my issue. As you say, you no aware of the conditions etc. Now, why is that. Why are these important details not being reported on, why are these rather important factors of influence being noted.
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We are all data enthusiasts here, so maybe it will be interesting to know that nCoV-related data is available to anyone who wants to have a look or analyze it https://wolfr.am/nCoV
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FOBYing a virus, that's new. :D
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Quote ( Ania Piekarska @ February 6th 2020,17:22:31 ) We are all data enthusiasts here, so maybe it will be interesting to know that nCoV-related data is available to anyone who wants to have a look or analyze it https://wolfr.am/nCoV https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Quote ( Dainius Vaškys @ February 5th 2020,14:39:44 ) Well rumors has it, one of the asian countrys (can't remeber which one) developed the cure and they have cured few volunteers with it and they sent the data to world wide agencies to confirm it's reliability and safety. It says that main ingreadient of that medications are used for curing AID I did read the same story (maybe different source, but story is similar)
They used a combo of HIV/AIDS medicine and 2 different flu vaccines in heavy dosages (larger than normal) in order to (if not cure) at least dial down the symptoms to a level closer to common cold.
That being said, that approach working on 2-3 subjects isn't the answer yet, but it could be good. Thus far there hasn't been any reports of successful replications of the experiment. Furthermore it didn't work on all test subjects, but thenagain it reportedly did on some.
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