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#1 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:04:13
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with the team cup structure there is only 32 teams that can take part.to get more teams involved how about making more divisions involving the next 32 teams and so on.u can have team cup a,b,c.
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#2 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:05:38
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#3 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:05:38 (son değiştirilme 11 Eki 2013, 15:06:32 kim tarafından: Kevin Parkinson)
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Some discussion here - /gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=11987&Page=1
and I'm sure there are others that talk about exactly what you suggest.
Wouldn't be against an expansion of the team cup to involve a lesser cup and more teams involved.
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#4 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:05:45
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A division, B division and C division will make it very interesting :-)
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#5 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:12:53
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#6 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:15:41
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Playing devil's advocate, so a question, not an opinion; would it be fair on the team 32nd in the standings being in the main team cup but having no chance of winning it, but if they were 33rd after race 2, they would have a great chance of competing for the other cup?
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#7 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:17:13
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would you rather finish 16th in EPL or win the Coca Cola League?(well I believe those are the names of the football leagues but cant be sure :P)
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#8 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:39:06
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ October 11th 2013,15:15:41 ) Playing devil's advocate, so a question, not an opinion; would it be fair on the team 32nd in the standings being in the main team cup but having no chance of winning it, but if they were 33rd after race 2, they would have a great chance of competing for the other cup?
as it stands u are not in a cup if u finish 33rd so competing in a cup is better than nothing
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#9 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:47:48
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Quote ( Brendan Considine @ October 11th 2013,15:39:06 ) as it stands u are not in a cup if u finish 33rd so competing in a cup is better than nothing Think you missed this point...
Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ October 11th 2013,15:15:41 ) if they were 33rd after race 2, they would have a great chance of competing for the other cup Meaning they'd be competing with everyone from down to 65th in the standings (feel free to correct my math if needed) with another cup.
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#10 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:49:02
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ October 11th 2013,15:15:41 ) Playing devil's advocate, so a question, not an opinion; would it be fair on the team 32nd in the standings being in the main team cup but having no chance of winning it, but if they were 33rd after race 2, they would have a great chance of competing for the other cup?
So everybody reset's accounts and be champions in rookie leagues.. Because there no point to finish 22nd in Elite? :D
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#11 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:57:35 (son değiştirilme 11 Eki 2013, 15:58:58 kim tarafından: Jonas Ekefjord)
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Kevin, wouldn't finishing 32:nd in A-cup always merit higher than a 1:st spot in B-cup. Mathematically in any case :P
E: spelling
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#12 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 15:57:38
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ October 11th 2013,15:15:41 ) Playing devil's advocate, so a question, not an opinion; would it be fair on the team 32nd in the standings being in the main team cup but having no chance of winning it, but if they were 33rd after race 2, they would have a great chance of competing for the other cup?
fair point but how do you make sure you come 33rd and not 32nd there to many things that so wrong , if you chose to do badly you could end up missing all the cups , so im guesing most will just pretty much just take what then can get anyway its just a bit of fun isn't only the main cup really counts so the other 2 are just for fun and something else to do dueing the season
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#13 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 16:01:56 (son değiştirilme 11 Eki 2013, 16:02:26 kim tarafından: Mattias Svensson)
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Its a good idea. Another way to involve more teams could be to expand the cup a couple of levels and have only quarterfinals and up in the "best of 3" format, while the first few rounds are settled in one race.
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#14 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 16:06:44 (son değiştirilme 11 Eki 2013, 16:07:19 kim tarafından: Paulo Pinto)
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Quote ( Brendan Considine @ October 11th 2013,15:04:13 ) with the team cup structure there is only 32 teams that can take part.to get more teams involved how about making more divisions involving the next 32 teams and so on.u can have team cup a,b,c.
I agree with increasing the number of teams for the cup but we should have only one cup (Maybe a group stage during the 5 first races and with more that 32 teams involved).
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#15 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 16:09:34
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Quote ( Jonas Ekefjord @ October 11th 2013,15:57:35 ) Kevin, wouldn't finishing 32:nd in A-cup always merit higher than a 1:st spot in B-cup. Mathematically in any case :P
Of course, but someone finishing lower is going to have the fun of cup competition when someone above them in the standings after race 2 is likely to be out after one tie.
There is a thread where this has been discussed before, but I personally prefer the idea of... Quote ( Paulo Pinto @ October 11th 2013,16:06:44 ) I agree with increasing the number of teams for the cup but should be only one cup (Maybe a group stage during the 5 first races and with more that 32 teams involved).
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#16 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 16:09:34
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it should be structured like how Jono MacLean used to do his silly game PYB...it was a good format :)
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#17 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 16:11:04 (son değiştirilme 11 Eki 2013, 16:11:38 kim tarafından: Kevin Parkinson)
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Quote ( Stuart Foster @ October 11th 2013,16:09:34 ) it should be structured like how Jono MacLean used to do his silly game PYB...it was a good format :)
You mean Keri, surely? Jono took it over, but was Keri's concept originally, IIRC :)
Wouldn't agree with that for the Team Cup though. I like the fact full team points are involved for that.
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#18 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 16:22:46
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Quote ( Kevin Parkinson @ October 11th 2013,15:15:41 ) Playing devil's advocate, so a question, not an opinion; would it be fair on the team 32nd in the standings being in the main team cup but having no chance of winning it, but if they were 33rd after race 2, they would have a great chance of competing for the other cup? Never watched a rugby sevens tournament? Just have spinoff competitions for those knocked out at each and every stage.
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#19 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 16:38:50
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One of my biggest problem with the current team cup system is indeed that so few teams / people can participate in it. So yes, I would like to see an update with more team cups, exactly like Brendan proposed.
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#20 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 16:48:42
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I like this idea. Maybe to make it more exciting to teams in places 24-32, that are more likely to be eliminated in the first round of the main cup, the teams that lose the first round could enter the second round of the secondary cup. Even if that wasn't doable, team cups are fun, so I think having several leagues would be a nice addition.
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#21 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 16:51:39 (son değiştirilme 11 Eki 2013, 16:55:06 kim tarafından: Danny Bayliss)
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Main problem with the team cup is that hardly anyone is actually in it. Not really in favour of several cups. But having a much larger ammount of teams in the current one by having 1 round knock outs in the first few stages would be much better IMO.
Gives the 'lesser' teams the chance to face a big team, and creates a better chance of an upset.
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#22 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 16:55:29
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Quote ( Edwin Silva @ October 11th 2013,16:48:42 ) I like this idea. Maybe to make it more exciting to teams in places 24-32, that are more likely to be eliminated in the first round of the main cup, the teams that lose the first round could enter the second round of the secondary cup. Even if that wasn't doable, team cups are fun, so I think having several leagues would be a nice addition.
something on the lines of this would be great
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#23 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 16:58:05
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It would be terrible if teams 24-32 would get a second chance in another cup, that is simply unfair to the teams below place 32. That is like in soccer, with teams eliminated out of the Champions League still drafted in the UEFA cup that they could still win even though they were actually eliminated before. Very unfair system.
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#24 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 17:14:42
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It is a matter of opinion, William. One could also say that team 32, which did a better job that team 33, is way more likely to be eliminated in the first round of its cup, whereas team 33 would likely cruise at least the first rounds.
If there was some money motivation to be in the main cup, which is one of the main reasons teams prefer to be in te Champions League instead of the UEFA cup, that wouldn't be a big deal; otherwise, it would be way funnier for teams in places 33-40, to say something, instead of teams 24-32, which I find unfair too.
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#25 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 17:21:29
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Competitions like Champions League are only structured in such a way that it generates more money to the big countries and the big teams. It is only intented to make the gap between rich & poor teams or big or small countries larger and I don't think that is fair at all.
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#26 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 17:23:30
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Quote ( Danny Bayliss @ October 11th 2013,16:51:39 ) Main problem with the team cup is that hardly anyone is actually in it. Not really in favour of several cups. But having a much larger ammount of teams in the current one by having 1 round knock outs in the first few stages would be much better IMO.
Gives the 'lesser' teams the chance to face a big team, and creates a better chance of an upset.
Not very often we agree ;)
Exactly what I was thinking as I read the thread but Danny beat me to it.
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#27 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 17:24:28
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I like the idea, giving room to more teams to enter the Cup. Some teams have a low score during initial races and then score medium/big points. It would bring up a few surprises, which is good for the game.
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#28 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 17:30:20
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That's precisely my point, William. Whereas in our case there isn't money rewards in team cup (unless I'm missing something), this would be just for fun, so I find no harm in allowing some of the eliminated teams to continue having fun for a little longer in the season.
Actually, if it was me, I'd create a super huge team cup instead, with 128 or even 256 teams, so that many of them would still be in the cup well advanced in the season.
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#29 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 17:34:50
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If team cup had a different structure from group cup, you could use the first 2 races as a qualifying round, top 128 teams qualify. Alternately, you could start the cup from race 1 using the top 256 from the previous season's standings.
Seed the top 32 so they couldn't face each other until 32 teams are left, all other matchups random.
Each round is 2 races, total points scored determine winner. Final round uses all 3 races (15-17).
More teams get to participate but the end results will be similar...
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#30 Yayınlanma zamanı: 11 Eki 2013, 17:37:23
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It can be like Champions league title Europa title.
If it was not good, then why would teams play for Europa title ???
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