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Konu: Romain Grosjean |
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#1 Yayınlanma zamanı: 30 Kas 2020, 17:03:35
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Luckily grosjean is fine after yesterday's frightening accident at the start, he has no fractures, his hands are bandaged but he is fine. All thanks to the halo. It is the second life that it saves. The doctors did a perfect job, congratulations. We hope you will come back soon, we are with you. While you heal, Fittipaldi will replace you.
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#2 Yayınlanma zamanı: 30 Kas 2020, 17:43:44
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Ir mas a serious accident. Best wishes for a soon Grosjean recovering. The third generation of Fittipaldi's clan arrived in F1.
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#3 Yayınlanma zamanı: 30 Kas 2020, 18:18:39
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These are Fittipaldi's first words: "The most important thing is that Romain is safe and sound. These are obviously not the ideal circumstances to start racing in F1. But I am extremely grateful to Gene Haas and Guenther Steiner for their confidence in putting me behind the wheel this weekend. I have been with the team a lot this season, both on the trackside and working on simulator sessions. I will give my all and I can't wait to start free practice on Friday in Bahrain".
good luck Pietro
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#4 Yayınlanma zamanı: 30 Kas 2020, 23:49:06 (son değiştirilme 30 Kas 2020, 23:50:04 kim tarafından: Cameron Halsall)
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I don't think the halo made any difference really. Doesn't matter what all the personalities are saying, it's extremely bad optics to claim it was the sole if any reason Grosjean survived. I'm all for safety measures but the one thing you don't do is frame it on one device. If the halo made any significant difference which I highly doubt, but it shows just how little the FIA actually care about safety when they rely on it to protect drivers. I always thought dependence on one component was a recipe for disaster.
Clearly there was insufficient measures taken for such an incident and I think that the halo has unironically been given a halo effect, where it and the wider culture of the FIA and the GDPA cannot be criticized, and I think the excessive amount of permitted downforce as well as several factors that encourage drivers to take unnecessary chances need to be addressed. The FIA claims they're interested in safety and yet they want to make ground effect more prominent? I just don't believe them.
Under no circumstances should a car ever be able to penetrate a crash barrier, nor should the engine remain attached to the survival cell, these two factors alone are what have probably contributed to making the sport as safe as it has.
Even if the halo did anything at all there needs to be a better compromise that gives the fans a better view, it is simply too restrictive and not only that makes extraction that much more difficult. I would much prefer the IndyCar solution if anything at all, but I'm gonna say this: if a driver dies it is tragic, but nobody should be thinking it can't happen, and we have to recognise it's part of what makes racing exciting. What's the point of pushing the boundaries if we're never truly in danger?
I think there are more issues with the sport that urgently need to be addressed but these are the ones relevant to this topic. Sorry for going on a bit of a rant but suffice to say it is becoming increasingly difficult to remain a fan of the sport because of stuff like this.
Obviously I wish Pietro all the best on his F1 debut
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#5 Yayınlanma zamanı: 1 Ara 2020, 00:41:38 (son değiştirilme 1 Ara 2020, 00:53:56 kim tarafından: Rui Morais)
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Hmmm... I don't exactly agree with you when you say the halo did nothing to save him...
If the halo wasn't there, they would still be removing his head from the rails with a pancake spoon...
Besides, I don't think the halo is the only effective protection in F1 today. We have the cockpit (or survival cell), that is extremely safe, the fireproof suits, the head and neck support, the new helmet compounds, and so many safety features.
On the other hand, I agree that most tracks are not very safety friendly, and also the marshalls and track staff are not 100% effective and well trained, in my opinion.
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#6 Yayınlanma zamanı: 1 Ara 2020, 01:05:54 (son değiştirilme 1 Ara 2020, 01:08:45 kim tarafından: Cameron Halsall)
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You don't have to agree with me, I just think that it's not necessary, or at the very least other precautions would make it redundant that have not been considered because as I said, the FIA has become complacent.
As for whether he would have died, it's impossible to say for certain and anyone who says otherwise is lying to you. We can't know things that never happened. People should not get hung up over it, and understanding that people are mortal is just a part of life. People die all the time.
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#7 Yayınlanma zamanı: 1 Ara 2020, 01:10:11 (son değiştirilme 1 Ara 2020, 01:11:52 kim tarafından: James Berriman)
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The Halo looks to have clearly parted the top barrier where his head would of been..... Is a near miracle to escape such a head on high speed impact,, AND an inferno for 25+ seconds... the nose of the car has pierced the 2 armco strips,, bottom barrier strip below the nose and top barrier above the nose, the top barrier kills him without the halo,, that is clear to see.
Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ November 30th 2020,23:49:06 ) If the halo made any significant difference which I highly doubt, but it shows just how little the FIA actually care about safety when they rely on it to protect drivers. I always thought dependence on one component was a recipe for disaster.
not sure if you're a few bolts short?? or just an unfunny troll.. I mean did he not have fire proof grits on?? a hans device?? 3 layer fire proof suit? a safety car following him?? much safer absorbing crash barriers in all the more frequent/usual crash sites... saying such stupid things about the FIA, says more about you than them I'm afraid :( plenty of good books and films on the sports history, you should soak it up and expand your knowledge rather than just talking ****
E: Rui beat me to it :P
Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ December 1st 2020,01:05:54 ) the FIA has become complacent. (facepalm)
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#8 Yayınlanma zamanı: 1 Ara 2020, 02:08:00
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Helmut koinigg had almost the exact same crash in the 70s.... car piercing through guard railing. If you think the halo doesn't help in those types of crashes then just Google Helmut's crash.
Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ November 28th 2020,08:13:53 ) Well I mean.....Let's not overestimate Cameron's intelligence. I stand by my statement.
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#9 Yayınlanma zamanı: 1 Ara 2020, 02:19:39
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I hope for Grosjean's recovery and Fittipaldi's success
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#10 Yayınlanma zamanı: 1 Ara 2020, 03:20:01
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Just as James and Rui said, it is very easy to understand how Halo saved Grojean's life. The survival cell, already separated from the rest of the car, completely crossed the guard rail. And the Halo remained intact, in front of the pilot's head. If he hadn't been there, Grojean's head and not Halo would have opened the guard rail.
As for the "incredible emotion" when seeing pilots dying and how much of it is part of our lives, just imagine how enthusiastic you would be if in the Grojean's place, in those flames, there was a member of your family.
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#11 Yayınlanma zamanı: 1 Ara 2020, 03:34:03 (son değiştirilme 1 Ara 2020, 03:36:10 kim tarafından: Daniel Douglas)
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Quote ( Paulo Guarim @ December 1st 2020,03:20:01 ) The survival cell, already separated from the rest of the car, completely crossed the guard rail.
The survival cell went through and ended up on the other side of the guard rail.... it didn't stop on the track side. You can watch the video and clearly see the survival cell on one side, the other half of the car on the other side .... and grosjean climbing over the guard rail to get back on track.
Additionally you can actually see the indent, on the guard rail, where the halo hit it and pushed it upwards. That would have been grosjeans head pushing that guard rail upwards.
Quote ( Paulo Guarim @ December 1st 2020,03:20:01 ) As for the "incredible emotion" when seeing pilots dying and how much of it is part of our lives, just imagine how enthusiastic you would be if in the Grojean's place, in those flames, there was a member of your family.
Agree completely!
I don't like the look of the halo either.... but i like it much better than what we would have been looking at this week otherwise.
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Halo did it's job, it's very easy to see. Thankful he was able to walk away from the crash and only have minor burns.
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#13 Yayınlanma zamanı: 1 Ara 2020, 04:22:34
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Quote ( Cameron Halsall @ December 1st 2020,01:05:54 ) As for whether he would have died, it's impossible to say for certain and anyone who says otherwise is lying to you
Grosjean said it himself and he looked pretty sincere and thankful to this system.. I would trust his instincts for once , even before all the other clues proving you wrong ... It´s nice to keep it simple and respect each other´s opinions but your statement does sound like a believe more than a fact based opinion, which might be worth debating...
but in this case people really die and you being so wrong and lost in your own ideas .. I would friendly recommend you to stop sharing such nonsense on the forums , thank you very much
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#14 Yayınlanma zamanı: 1 Ara 2020, 04:25:46
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Quote ( Darryl Kucmerowski @ December 1st 2020,04:04:18 ) Halo did it's job, it's very easy to see. Thankful he was able to walk away from the crash and only have minor burns.
I liked the unedited version. XD
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#15 Yayınlanma zamanı: 1 Ara 2020, 19:44:39
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Quote ( Amitesh Patnaik @ December 1st 2020,04:25:46 ) Quote ( Darryl Kucmerowski @ December 1st 2020,04:04:18 )
Halo did it's job, it's very easy to see. Thankful he was able to walk away from the crash and only have minor burns.
I liked the unedited version. XD
Sorry for the thumbs down, I hit the wrong button
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#16 Yayınlanma zamanı: 1 Ara 2020, 19:46:52
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You can switch it to thumbs up mate, feels better to see that. :)
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#17 Yayınlanma zamanı: 2 Ara 2020, 08:21:13
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Still crazy how he went out of the car putting his hands on extremely hot metal, his adrenaline kick was really strong I guess. The halo is now promoted as something that saved his life, Jean Todt has told Grosjean to tell this to distract the crowd and media of the fact that the barrier failed. It is an embarresment for the Formula 1 to have failing barriers like this...
It's maybe an onpopular opinion but the halo did save his life but the failing of the barrier and the splitting of the car may not happin in the first place.
Btw Grosjean posted to like to start in Abu Dhabi, I hope he can make it! Looking forward to Fittipaldi as well to.
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#18 Yayınlanma zamanı: 2 Ara 2020, 08:29:34 (son değiştirilme 2 Ara 2020, 08:32:21 kim tarafından: Graham Mercer)
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Quote ( Thomas Lissens @ December 2nd 2020,08:21:13 ) Still crazy how he went out of the car putting his hands on extremely hot metal, his adrenaline kick was really strong I guess. The halo is now promoted as something that saved his life, Jean Todt has told Grosjean to tell this to distract the crowd and media of the fact that the barrier failed. It is an embarresment for the Formula 1 to have failing barriers like this...
It's maybe an onpopular opinion but the halo did save his life but the failing of the barrier and the splitting of the car may not happin in the first place.
Btw Grosjean posted to like to start in Abu Dhabi, I hope he can make it! Looking forward to Fittipaldi as well to.
If you can design a better barrier please contact F1. It absorbed a head on crash at 221kph without crushing the driver, what more can you realistically expect in such circumstances?
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#19 Yayınlanma zamanı: 2 Ara 2020, 08:42:05
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Quote ( Graham Mercer @ December 2nd 2020,08:29:34 ) If you can design a better barrier please contact F1. It absorbed a head on crash at 221kph without crushing the driver, what more can you realistically expect in such circumstances?
I think this was just a bad place for an exit/entrance, they had to make the circuit wider on this place and than they could have put some tyres in front of it or gravel to slow down the driver towards the crashbarrier and the front went trough the barrier, that's not how a crashbarrier supposed to act, right?
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#20 Yayınlanma zamanı: 27 Oca 2021, 19:00:15
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Couldnt even get his name right, could you?
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#21 Yayınlanma zamanı: 27 Oca 2021, 19:00:57
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I think he will have to start all over again now.
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#22 Yayınlanma zamanı: 27 Oca 2021, 19:02:19
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He's a bit of an ass, so we could just count that as the missing letter and be done with it?
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#23 Yayınlanma zamanı: 27 Oca 2021, 20:04:12
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I opened this thread with so many unread replies with a hope that there is probably a announcement regarding romain . Probably romain is doing a last f1 test or driving in some other series this year but you have disasppointed me here .
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